The Elite That You've Lost Respect For

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Iginla used to be one of my favorite players. He can score, hit, fight, play nasty. but I did lose a lot of respect for him with his constant gooning it up at the end of games. watching him chase Schneider all the way across the rink trying to crosscheck him was just sad really.

Maybe now that Sutter's gone he'll figure out that he can play a tough game without doing lame stuff like that.

In Iginla's defense though, he was trying to get something started by going after Schneider. Its not the first time he's done that late in games to try and ignite his squad somehow. We dont really know what goes on all the time, maybe Schneids had done something to Iginla at some other point in the series so thats why he targeted him...who knows. Also with the Wings of last year, its not like he could just challenge somebody on the team and they'd fight him. Nobody wouldve been willing without a reason. So he had to try and start something by other means.

I still think you are. The point of this thread was more referring to players that refer to these tactics when their team is down and out. I am all for aggressive, physical hockey, but when your team is out of the game and your slashing players from behind its uncalled for and unnecessary. It's essentially the definition of "gooning it up".

That's what I'm referring to. This has nothing to do with physical hockey and throwing your weight around.

Its commonplace with most other teams who are losing to start something when the game is lost. Just because the Wings dont do that doesnt mean its the norm. Its something thats always gone on in the game...Mickey even talked about how the Wings needed to watch out once the score got out of hand. Happens all the time. If someone on the Wings bench doesnt like what Thornton is doing...go fight him!

[Vincanni 1]

Wait.... Joe Thornton played last night? I must not have noticed

[55fan 5,133]

I've always believed that sports don't build character, they reveal it.

Sir, were I wearing a hat, I would remove it in your presence. That's one great quote.

It's true that there's a fine line between a good play and a bad one. I look at intent. If a player is looking to take a player out of the play, it's good by me. If he is looking to take a player out of the game, it's not. If he's looking to end a season or a career, it's unacceptable.

Oftentimes it's hard to tell by what happens on the ice, but the reaction of the player after the game is usually a very good clue. Any player who attempts to excuse himself by claiming he is not responsible for his own elbows due to his height (for example) loses all respect I may have had for him. A player who is man enough to publicly declare that he meant no malice and made an error of judgement is more easily forgiven in my book.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

But they're the same thing. It's just a matter of timing and sometimes pure fluke that ends up being the difference between a harmless cheapshot and one like the hit on Draper.

If anything, Lemieux was throwing a hit, which is a legal play, he just did it from behind close to the boards. Where a slash is always illegal.

Of course everyone who is competitive gets frustrated. But as adults and professionals you learn to contain it., otherwise you end up with a bunch of Bertuzzi incidents.

I've always believed that sports don't build character, they reveal it.

No, they aren't a the same thing. Minimally Lemieux was guilty of boarding. Even if Drapers face isn't broken on the play, 12 out of 10 times a penalty is called.

Regardless, unless you are slashing someone to hurt them, it is more often then not, a harmless act.

The difference in what Iginla did in the playoffs vs what Lemieux did? Worst case scenario Matty has a bruise the next day vs exactly what happened to Draper. Players know exactly what they are doing, especially at the NHL level. From the beer leagues to the NHL, it's no different, if a guy wants to hurt you he will do it.

[hckypete96 3]

why people are bashing iginla is beyond me. this guy is a phenomenal player, and IMO the best captain in the game now that Yzerman has retired. He will do ANYTHING for his team... whether its score a goal, make a big hit, or even drop the mits if he has to. So what if he started s*** w/ Schneider... his team was playing terrible and he was trying to get something going to carry over into the next game... you people make no sense because I dont see anyone who was bitching about Cheli's cheap shot on Thorton the first sharks game.... Cheli was just trying 2 get somethin to carry over and send a message... theres nothign wrong w/ that.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

why people are bashing iginla is beyond me. this guy is a phenomenal player, and IMO the best captain in the game now that Yzerman has retired. He will do ANYTHING for his team... whether its score a goal, make a big hit, or even drop the mits if he has to. So what if he started s*** w/ Schneider... his team was playing terrible and he was trying to get something going to carry over into the next game... you people make no sense because I dont see anyone who was bitching about Cheli's cheap shot on Thorton the first sharks game.... Cheli was just trying 2 get somethin to carry over and send a message... theres nothign wrong w/ that.

Sending messages is one thing. Iginla's got all the tools of a great hockey player, and even a leader sometimes, but actually saying to the press after such a game "We were just looking to hurt people" (don't remember the exact quote but I am 100% confident Iginla said something around that nature after DET-CGY game 5 in the first round) kinda rubs me the wrong way. Just doesn't seem all that right to me. Now, would I put a bit of that uncertainty aside if he somehow wound up playing with the Wings? Of course, I'm one to easily get over things or not hold grudges, but I did lose a little bit of respect for him from what he said.

I've lost a little bit of respect for Chris Pronger as well for some of the things he did last playoffs. I have no doubt he's probably a good guy off the ice, I have little doubt I could be one to hang out with the guy or have a few beers if that actually ever happened, but the excuses of "that's the way you play" or "I'm too tall" are just silly. Questionable hits obviously. However, I don't feel the same way about others do in here about him. I know Chris Pronger usually = Satan to most people in here, but the obsession with him last playoffs got way beyond ridiculous. I'd feel the same way about him as well as Iginla. If for whatever reason he wound up a Wing, I'd be open to it.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Exactly!

Mickey has been around hockey since the day he was born; if he recognises the fact that things could "get ugly" due to frustration - that says alot. This behavior has been around since day 1 of the NHL...Guys like Thorton, & Iginla (insert hundreds of more names here) have played this way since they were kids @ the local rink - it's just part of their competitive spirit, & a big reason why they're in the NHL.

See comment above.

I honestly think it has everything to do with the fact that the Wings dont do that. When is the last time they ever initiated something when an outcome was decided? I cant think of any. So when they see other teams do this, its those players being dirty and "gooning it up". What alot of people dont get is that the Wings are the EXCEPTION! Theres a reason fight lovers always hit their record button when a game becomes a blowout....stuff like this has gone on forever.

[2probert4 8]

I can't really say that I ever respected Pronger or Iginla, so I won't even mention them in this discussion. I'm adamant about disrespecting players that fight with visors on. That includes guys like Phaneuf, Tootoo, Perry, etc. That kind of crap doesn't belong in hockey. As for Thornton, he could hold his own against Downey. However, the Sharks don't have an enforcer on their roster, so I don't think that Thornton would play this way against the Ducks or Flyers. That's why we need guys like Downey on this team, and even though Thornton is a star player, I wanted to see Downey challenge him last night, because Thornton is a better fighter than most star players, so it's not like Downey would be accused of spot picking.

I lost respect for some writers during the season that they gave Pronger the Hart Trophy. I think sometimes he gets too much respect.

why people are bashing iginla is beyond me. this guy is a phenomenal player, and IMO the best captain in the game now that Yzerman has retired.

I think Joe Sakic has something to say about that best captain in hockey title right now.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Exactly!

Mickey has been around hockey since the day he was born; if he recognises the fact that things could "get ugly" due to frustration - that says alot. This behavior has been around since day 1 of the NHL...Guys like Thorton, & Iginla (insert hundreds of more names here) have played this way since they were kids @ the local rink - it's just part of their competitive spirit, & a big reason why they're in the NHL.

See comment above.

I find that reasoning pathetic. I totally understand it happens because these guys are competitive, but it doesn't make it the right thing to do. As HS said, sports don't build character, they reveal it.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Sir, were I wearing a hat, I would remove it in your presence. That's one great quote.

I can't really take credit for it. I just can't remember where I plagiarized it.

I honestly think it has everything to do with the fact that the Wings dont do that. When is the last time they ever initiated something when an outcome was decided? I cant think of any. So when they see other teams do this, its those players being dirty and "gooning it up". What alot of people dont get is that the Wings are the EXCEPTION! Theres a reason fight lovers always hit their record button when a game becomes a blowout....stuff like this has gone on forever.

You make it sound like this happens all the time around the league.

It doesn't.

If a game is already chippy, things can get ugly when the score is out of reach, but I RARELY see players from the losing team trollling for cheapshots at the end of a game. The Wings hardly ever fight, but they aren't the exception here.

I think the last time the Red Wings played this style (getting "even" when getting blown out) was when the #24 sweater was worn by a fella with the last name of Probert.

I've been watching the Wings since the early 80s, and Probert was as tough as they come. But I can't think of an instance where he chased a guy across the rink for basically no reason, just to start something at the end of the game. Particularly a guy who didn't fight (like Iginla with Schneider).

Probert was all about the code. And if someone got a beatdown or even a cheapshot from him, it was because they did something to one of his teammates.

There's a big difference between chippy games that get nasty and the end, and just cheapshotting a guy because you can't handle losing.

In Iginla's defense though, he was trying to get something started by going after Schneider. Its not the first time he's done that late in games to try and ignite his squad somehow. We dont really know what goes on all the time, maybe Schneids had done something to Iginla at some other point in the series so thats why he targeted him...who knows. Also with the Wings of last year, its not like he could just challenge somebody on the team and they'd fight him. Nobody wouldve been willing without a reason. So he had to try and start something by other means.

Its commonplace with most other teams who are losing to start something when the game is lost. Just because the Wings dont do that doesnt mean its the norm. Its something thats always gone on in the game...Mickey even talked about how the Wings needed to watch out once the score got out of hand. Happens all the time. If someone on the Wings bench doesnt like what Thornton is doing...go fight him!

Sorry, a 6'1" 200+ guy who fights going after a 5'10" 190 lber who doesn't to "get something started" is pathetic. Especially from the captain.

I know it's not the first time Iginla has done it, which is why I've lost respect for him. Let the enforcer on the team do that stuff. He needs to lead with goals, hits, guts. Not chasing a non-fighter across the rink at the end of his game. I can't see how that would fire his team up. It merely showed how desperate they were.

As for Mickey's comments, I guess it depends on what kind of incidents we're talking about. Of course a game is more likely to get chippy when it's blown out. That I do agree with. More scrums after the whistle. More little hacks and whacks. I took this thread to be more about the bigger cheapshots. Pronger's elbows, and Iginla's actions.

Which, while Iginla's goonery didn't really result in any injury, it just seemed so sad really. so desperate.

[Copenhagen848 58]

I lost all respect for Iginla during last year's playoffs. His goonery was ridiculous. And I can't lose any more respect for Pronger cause I never had any for him in the first place....never liked him.

Edited October 28, 2007 by Copenhagen848

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I can't really take credit for it. I just can't remember where I plagiarized it.

The movie Dodgeball. Cotton says it to Pepper Brooks right before sudden death Dodgeball.

Listen to the play-by-play guy @ 2:15 mark - "Frustrated Detroit dominated by the Bruins"...Within seconds after that Probert goes after Quintal when the game is over.

You haven't been following hockey that long have ya?

This after the play/behind the play stuff has been going on for decades; it'll always be part of the N.American game - especially @ the NHL level

Just a mere 20+ years. Trust me, I know the game.

Seriously, what don't you get about what I'm saying? Let me spell it out for you since nothing I'm saying seems to be getting through to you....I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it doesn't make it right.

Edited October 28, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[JonnyKazoo 0]

I lose respect for those who go out to play the game and when losing, resort to cheap shots to ignite his teammates. I know Pronger is one, he not only did it once but twice in the playoffs last year and only ended up with a 1 game suspension each time and especially after being a repeat offender. There should have been a message sent to him last year if you want to prove a point it won't be tolerated.

I know Tootoo is not an elite but he just doesn't have the skills to make him elite and has to resort to playing that way. Send him a message as well!

I seem to recall a Dale Hunter playoff pushing Stevie Y's head into the ice. These players unfortunately will always exist.

But at least Yze got the best of them when say, he let Pronger bust himself out of the playoffs that year.

All in all, guys just need to admit to having an off night and figure out a way to play better when the need arises.

[Izzy24 44]

Sending messages is one thing. Iginla's got all the tools of a great hockey player, and even a leader sometimes, but actually saying to the press after such a game "We were just looking to hurt people" (don't remember the exact quote but I am 100% confident Iginla said something around that nature after DET-CGY game 5 in the first round) kinda rubs me the wrong way. Just doesn't seem all that right to me. Now, would I put a bit of that uncertainty aside if he somehow wound up playing with the Wings? Of course, I'm one to easily get over things or not hold grudges, but I did lose a little bit of respect for him from what he said.

I've lost a little bit of respect for Chris Pronger as well for some of the things he did last playoffs. I have no doubt he's probably a good guy off the ice, I have little doubt I could be one to hang out with the guy or have a few beers if that actually ever happened, but the excuses of "that's the way you play" or "I'm too tall" are just silly. Questionable hits obviously. However, I don't feel the same way about others do in here about him. I know Chris Pronger usually = Satan to most people in here, but the obsession with him last playoffs got way beyond ridiculous. I'd feel the same way about him as well as Iginla. If for whatever reason he wound up a Wing, I'd be open to it.

I don't remember that at all, I do remember him saying something along the lines of trying to start a fight to carry some momentum into the next game.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Try telling that to Don Cherry...He'll get a good laugh.

Yeah - okay so it's "not right"...It's hockey - get over it since it's not going to stop just because you, & a handful of others on this planet don't care for it.

Remember the hit Dale Hunter put on Pierre Turgeon just seconds after he scored a goal in the '93 playoffs.

Your logic is ridiculous, and I'd be very willing to bet more than a handful would agree with me.

Sidenote: Last time I checked, Don Cherry is a D-Bag.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Geez pal why don't ya come up with some fresh material

How about this one - I find that reasoning pathetic

Priceless!

Fresh material? You're the one saying to leave it as is, because this is how players have always been. I find that ridiculous because there are plenty of examples of players that play the game with integrity. I bring up a couple players that haven't and you defend them as if its inconsequential seeing as that this is hockey has "always been".

Did you ever see guys like Yzerman ever slash a guy from behind when the team was down and out? That's my point.

Sidenote: Speaking of being original.....way to use the "Dear God please make it stop" kid. I didn't realilze you came up with that?

Edited October 28, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

That's so weird that you brought up this topic, NFM. I was thinkiing the exact same thing when watching the Sharks game. I sorta lost respect for Joe too. Especially after the way he kept going after Hank.

As for Iginla. There was no NHL player in the league that I wished would become a Wing more than that guy. I absolutely LOVED him. He's the whole package and then some. Great, great player and supposedly a hell of a guy off the ice. After the Flames series I unfortunately lost all respect for him.. I'm actually still upset about it because I find it odd how you can respect, and think the world of a player so much and then all of a sudden not give a s*** about him anymore after a playoff round.

But yeah..that's what I think and feel anyway...

[Lou_Siffer 1]

There's a big difference between chippy games that get nasty and the end, and just cheapshotting a guy because you can't handle losing.

Sorry, a 6'1" 200+ guy who fights going after a 5'10" 190 lber who doesn't to "get something started" is pathetic. Especially from the captain.

I know it's not the first time Iginla has done it, which is why I've lost respect for him. Let the enforcer on the team do that stuff. He needs to lead with goals, hits, guts. Not chasing a non-fighter across the rink at the end of his game. I can't see how that would fire his team up. It merely showed how desperate they were.

As for Mickey's comments, I guess it depends on what kind of incidents we're talking about. Of course a game is more likely to get chippy when it's blown out. That I do agree with. More scrums after the whistle. More little hacks and whacks. I took this thread to be more about the bigger cheapshots. Pronger's elbows, and Iginla's actions.

Which, while Iginla's goonery didn't really result in any injury, it just seemed so sad really. so desperate.

I know what you're saying but in this case, Iginla actually was the enforcer on the Flames team. I dont recall if Phaneuf was gone cause of the Bertuzzi fight, but if so Iginla was the toughest guy in their lineup. I have a feeling there was a reason he went after Schneider, and it wasnt being a poor sport. The one other time he went with a non-fighter at the end of a game was Mattias Ohlund, and that was retribultion for a hit from behind. Other than that, he's fought Derian Hatcher, Lecavalier, and Beauchemin in the playoffs. All of these guys can handle themselves. He's not a cheap bully who targets non-fighters.

As for Joe T, I think people are totally overblowing what really were minor hacks. Its part of the game.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Do you consider Henrik Zetterberg an elite player? Because I bet if we were losing 5-2 in a playoff game, he'd get mad and give some slashes too, but I doubt anyone would have a problem with it because, hey he's Henrik Zetterberg.

I've never liked Thornton, but I admire the way he plays, he wears his heart on his sleave, in this situation, it's kinda, if you've played the game, you know whats going through his head, it isnt right, but thats Hockey.

Iginla, I have nothing but respect for him, so he crosschecked Schnieder, it's over and done with. It wasent right, but he needed to spark his team, and it didnt work anyways. He has a huge temper, but you guys have to know that Yzerman had a temper too, in a game against St Louis, got kicked out for telling off the refs and complaining because he was mad, nothing wrong with it, when you're mad, you do stupid things. It happens.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Listen to the play-by-play guy @ 2:15 mark - "Frustrated Detroit dominated by the Bruins"...Within seconds after that Probert goes after Quintal when the game is over.

people try to use Youtube as evidence way too much.

How is this probert starting something out of the blue? Are you taking the homer announcers word for it?

clearly they were already into it and several guys had already fought, including the captain. Boston and the Red Wings had some total team throwdowns around this time.

This in no way disproves what I said.

this is also the game where Stevie got punched in the face by a fan as he was leaving the ice.

I know what you're saying but in this case, Iginla actually was the enforcer on the Flames team. I dont recall if Phaneuf was gone cause of the Bertuzzi fight, but if so Iginla was the toughest guy in their lineup. I have a feeling there was a reason he went after Schneider, and it wasnt being a poor sport. The one other time he went with a non-fighter at the end of a game was Mattias Ohlund, and that was retribultion for a hit from behind. Other than that, he's fought Derian Hatcher, Lecavalier, and Beauchemin in the playoffs. All of these guys can handle themselves. He's not a cheap bully who targets non-fighters.

As for Joe T, I think people are totally overblowing what really were minor hacks. Its part of the game.

I agree people are overblowing the Thorton thing. As for Iginla, that's kinda might point. He's a legit middleweight fighter in my book, and usually squares up with guys. But to go after Schneider? a couple different times in the playoffs when the Flames are about to lose a game, Iginla skates around trying to pick a fight with anybody. To me it's sort of pathetic and I'm embarrassed for him, because he's an otherwise great player.

Have I ever witnessed Stevie hack/slash/cheapshot anyone as a form of reribution/retaliation? No - no I haven't, but that doesn't mean that other notable Red Wing players that we fans think highly of haven't done so; if that were the case then many of us fans should despise current Red Wing/ex Blackhawk Chris Chelios for his infractions he committed while wearing the Indian Head.

I have. plenty of times.

That's why I was saying there's a difference between retaliating when someone goes after you, and trolling for cheapshots.

I've not seen Yzerman go cheapshot someone, but I've sure seen him turn around and try to lay a two-hander on a guy when he did something that pissed Stevie off.

That's a lot different than just losing a game and acting like a 4 year old, cheapshotting guys because you can't handle losing.

The movie Dodgeball. Cotton says it to Pepper Brooks right before sudden death Dodgeball.

it's gotta be somewhere else or some famous quote then. I've never seen dodgeball.

Edited October 29, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Iginla, I have nothing but respect for him, so he crosschecked Schnieder, it's over and done with. It wasent right, but he needed to spark his team, and it didnt work anyways. He has a huge temper, but you guys have to know that Yzerman had a temper too, in a game against St Louis, got kicked out for telling off the refs and complaining because he was mad, nothing wrong with it, when you're mad, you do stupid things. It happens.

Iggy didn't just crosscheck Schneids. He took the end of his stick and hit Schneids on the side as well. Not only that, but you had to think it was all a plan seeing as how was out there with less than a minute left when the game was already lost for the Flames. What was the point of that? Not only that, but he kept going after LIDSTROM of all people, along with Hank, and Dats. It was just dowrnight classless. Jarome will always be a great player. I'll always love the way he plays the game for the most part, but I lost a lot of respect for him.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Iggy didn't just crosscheck Schneids. He took the end of his stick and hit Schneids on the side as well. Not only that, but you had to think it was all a plan seeing as how was out there with less than a minute left when the game was already lost for the Flames. What was the point of that? Not only that, but he kept going after LIDSTROM of all people, along with Hank, and Dats. It was just dowrnight classless. Jarome will always be a great player. I'll always love the way he plays the game for the most part, but I lost a lot of respect for him.

I dont condone what Iginla did, but Schnieder isnt a wuss, he was at the time one of the toughest guys on our team.

As for the Lidstrom comment, 100% agree, that was just foolish of him to do, but I just laugh at it.

Big tough Iginla and his visor, and the swede without it. Never gets old

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Well since I wasn't @ the game I kinda have to take what the Bruins play-by-play has to say...At any rate the game was over, players from both sides were heading off to the dressing rooms, Red Wings were beaten, & Probie takes exception by starting a fracas (which btw I'm not opposed to) - how is this any different from what we had seen the other night with Thorton taking cheap shots @ our star guys when the Sharks knew they were soundly beaten? These things happen, & it's just another 1 of many facets to the great game of hockey.

Me thinks you have a hard time admitting that you're wrong, & that I was capable providing evidence that proves my point.

Do I really need to explain how those two games are different?

For starters, did I miss a bunch of fights at the end of the San Jose game? Because the Boston game ended with multiple fights, so in my book, that's pretty different.

but you seriously stand by saying that youtube clip proves me wrong somehow?

Watch the video again. There were several fights before Probie even stirred things back up. Clearly this was a very chippy game before he got involved at the end. Then read my post again. In other words, it wasn't out of the blue just because they were losing. His teammates had been involved in several fights minutes earlier. And I bet Probert was on the bench just waiting for his chance to get at these guys who were fighting his teammates.

If you seriously think that little youtube clip somehow disproves me saying I don't remember probert just picking fights out of the blue because the Wings were losing, then me thinks you have a tenouous grasp on reality or extremely limited critical thinking skills.

Edited for clarity, since apparently things weren't clear enough.

Edited October 29, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Izzy24 44]

Well since I wasn't @ the game I kinda have to take what the Bruins play-by-play has to say...At any rate the game was over, players from both sides were heading off to the dressing rooms, Red Wings were beaten, & Probie takes exception by starting a fracas (which btw I'm not opposed to) - how is this any different from what we had seen the other night with Thorton taking cheap shots @ our star guys when the Sharks knew they were soundly beaten? These things happen, & it's just another 1 of many facets to the great game of hockey.

Me thinks you have a hard time admitting that you're wrong, & that I was capable providing evidence that proves my point.

"A fracas? Is that anything like a fricassee?"

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Game was over...Wings lost...Probie starts another fight as the teams are leaving the ice...Getting some retribution is his plan - something you claimed he had never done because he's a "legit heavyweight who follows the code".

Youtube provided my evidence that even honorable tuff-guys like Probert have an occasional break-down, & lash out...Thorton was probably feeling the same frustration when he went after Hank with some slashes, & as Detroit # 1 Fan stated earlier - some guys wear their hearts on their sleeves pretty much sums it up.

Read my post again. can you show me the part where I said he had never gotten retribution?

I'll wait. take your time. read slowly...

hmm, can't find it? Probably because I never said it.

I actually said the exact opposite of what you just claimed I did. Probert exacted retribution countless times against opponents he felt had wronged him or one of his teammates. That was his role.

I can't believe I need to try to explain this again. I was saying the I didn't remember Probert ever trolling the ice starting a fight out of the blue, as in unprovoked, as in it's not a chippy game already. Like a circumstance where the Wings were clearly going to lose, the game is winding to an end without incident, then Probert skates around chasing guys trying to get them to fight with him.

The clip of the boston game shows only that the game was already nasty and out of control. like the multiple fights going on at the same time. That has nothing to do with what I said, and is extremely different than what went on with Thornton.

Remember how you asked how the San Jose game was any different than the Boston clip? do you still not see the difference???

Probert lashed all the time, but it was provoked. There's probably a youtube clip of a toughguy getting in a fight with Stevie, and Probert popping the guy as a ref held him down. Not exactly honorable, which was never my claim. But he did follow the code. an enforcer squared off with a non heavyweight, and the star of the team no less, and Probert made him pay.

But that's a world of difference form Probert going out at the end of the game and crosschecking guys in the back, chasing them across the rink.

To make it simple, here's my original post on the subject of Probert:

But I can't think of an instance where he chased a guy across the rink for basically no reason, just to start something at the end of the game. Particularly a guy who didn't fight (like Iginla with Schneider).

Probert was all about the code. And if someone got a beatdown or even a cheapshot from him, it was because they did something to one of his teammates.

There's a big difference between chippy games that get nasty and the end, and just cheapshotting a guy because you can't handle losing.

Isn't it pretty obvious that the Boston clip you provided falls under the distinction of a chippy game?