GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 When I look at Detroit's roster I see two holes that need to be filled. - 2nd line winger - #4 defencemen Aquiring Hossa would break the bank. I'd rather spread it out and get a forward and a rental veteran physical D-man like Foote at the deadline. Foote? I just got done posting on another thread how much I hate Forsberg, so let's not even go there with Foote. What is this some divealanche reunion going on in hockeytown? Besides, we already have several defensive defensemen, and Foote's health has been shaky in recent memory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenova0 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 No, to Flip, period. I'd reluctantly let Hudler & Kronwall go though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I'm only speculating at this point as there is no proof of Atlanta shopping Hossa around. However, the Thrashers are struggling and I don't see them making the playoffs. Also there have been unconfirmed rumors that Hossa doesn't want to resign with Atlanta because of the direction they're going in. (Hossa refused to take part in the shootout the other night against the Habs because he wasn't 'feeling it'). Saying all of that, if Hossa did want out of town and Wadell was willing to dish him off, would you want him? And if so, for how much? Atlanta needs centres and mobile Dmen. Would you give up Filpulla and Kronwall for Hossa knowing that he'll be a UFA after the season is over? My thoughts would be to go for it. Hossa is an amazing talent and he would help round out our scoring greatly. I can only imagine how awesome it would be to see him and Dats or Zetterberg together. Resigning him would be the hard part. With Dats making $6.7M, Rafalski $6M and Zetts and Lids looking at around $7M per year it would be extremely tough to fit under the cap. I would hope that if this deal were possible, Holland could convince all 3 (Lids, Zetts, Hossa) to take a minimal pay cut to get them all under the Cap. You could front load all their contracts to give them huge $$ in the first 2-3 years and then lighten up in the back half. What are your thoughts? Who would you be willing to deal? Would you be partial to sending Jakob Kindl off in a packaged deal? Would you deal Hudler? Filpulla? Ericsson? Etc? YES! AND WHO CARES HOW MUCH! 28 years old, an absolute dynamo on the puck. 100pts last season. A surfire 30-40 goal guy. Make him Pavel Datsyuk's winger and he'll pot 40 in his sleep. Tampa found a way to afford their big 3. If Detroit could do feasibly do it, hell i'd be fine with maxing out the cap. Hossa is probably one of the top 3-4 wingers in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 In my opinion Hossa would be the best fit of any of the options out there -- he'd just cost a mint in assets. He brings incredible scoring punch from the wing, has good speed, size, instincts... pretty much everything. He's actually a player I would think that Holland would want to tie up to a multi-year deal once he acquired him. If Waddell figures that the cost would be higher. I've discussed this a bit with some other members over IM and I would think to get the foot in the door with talks would require at least one 1st (probably two) along with Filppula and Kindl. I don't know if Atlanta, for all of Kronwall's promise, would be willing to take on that contract at this point. I would completely agree. Aside from Filppula and Kindl, I would be inclined to think it would take 2 first rounders or a first and second due to Detroit always drafting so late every season. Also, I agree that Kronwall is too much of a question mark as compared to his contract for them to take on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) Since his name gets mentioned so often in trade talks I think it important to note that Filpulla's deal is done this year. He's a RFA. Now, he's not a Vanek-like player but Kelser got an RFA offer sheet and I don't think he's far and away better than Flip. Plus, Flip garners alot of attention for his ability at such a young age to play responsibly all over the ice. If he breaks out this year, we might not even have him around to talk about in any trades. Man, you gotta love the ******* RFA offer sheet, ranking up there with the instigator rule, the glow puck and Gary Bettman. PS: Jimmy Howard is a RFA after this year. If you don't think there's at least one team looking at one of the minor league''s most dominant goalies, you're fooling yourself people. Kenny needs to get these guys signed. Edited November 1, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnipotent_hudler 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 No. It would cost too much. Wait until free agency begins, and make an offer. There is no reason to trade away our best prospects for a player who might not even re sign with us the next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 He's actually #1 on my Semi-Plausible Wishlist. But let's be honest: our chances of landing him this season are slim-to-none. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Foote? I just got done posting on another thread how much I hate Forsberg, so let's not even go there with Foote. What is this some divealanche reunion going on in hockeytown? Besides, we already have several defensive defensemen, and Foote's health has been shaky in recent memory. Funny you mention Foote's health issues. On XM204 yesterday they were talking about the negative effect the new composite sticks have. One of them is that it vibrates badly when taking a hard pass. Apparently Foote got a bad case of tendinitis in his forearm last season because of it. Players also say that because of it, the puck will bounce a bit when receiving a pass at times. Just more proof that wooden sticks are still the best! P.S. I do have Hossa in my NHL08 dynasty and he and Dats are gold! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Funny you mention Foote's health issues. On XM204 yesterday they were talking about the negative effect the new composite sticks have. One of them is that it vibrates badly when taking a hard pass. Apparently Foote got a bad case of tendinitis in his forearm last season because of it. Players also say that because of it, the puck will bounce a bit when receiving a pass at times. Just more proof that wooden sticks are still the best! They're about 15 years late on that story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Er. So they give up possibly their best player, and we give them two 2nd-3rd line guys that may never pan out, plus what at this rate is a 30th overall draftpick. There are plenty of teams that can offer a better and safer deal that will be higher on the list. Besides, we have our stars. We don't need a top-line guy. We need a second line guy. Lastly, aquiring Hossa would move Holmstrom down a line, where he would not produce nearly as much. I'm thinking about 15 goals instead of 40. That means that the team would gain about 20 overall goals from the whole trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) Foote? I just got done posting on another thread how much I hate Forsberg, so let's not even go there with Foote. What is this some divealanche reunion going on in hockeytown? Besides, we already have several defensive defensemen, and Foote's health has been shaky in recent memory. Yeah, maybe Foote was a bad example. But I still think that Detroit are missing that Markov type guy that they need to make a deep playoff run. The second pairing of Kronwall-Lilja is just as much a weekness on this team as the second forward line is IMO. Edit: and for the record I don't want Forsberg here, so in no way was I supporting a "divealanche reunion". Edited November 1, 2007 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 We don't need a top-line guy. We need a second line guy. Arbitrary, IMO. We need an elite goal-scoring winger. Hossa would give us that and more, barring injury problems. He's got a good-sized frame, he's fast, he's creative, he's a pain in the ass to play against -- the only problem is, yes, his asking price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian Geek 2 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Better spent on a reliable defenceman at the deadline. Out goals for aren't too bad, 3rd in the league, but our goals against is a little too high for my liking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Out goals for aren't too bad They will be in the postseason with this current roster. Guaranteed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian Geek 2 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I just don't see the good of bringing in Hossa outweighing the bad of who we give away to get him, so I'd rather bulk up defensively if our scoring is going to be so sparse come playoff time to take the pressure to score away from the offense. Unless Holland is thrown one hell of a bone this season, I don't see the Wings getting much more offense from outside of its current player pool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auxlepli 17 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Well the whole "feeling it" thing is just a rumor, still I'm skeptical. He might be too much to keep. Also, Datsyuk is only six months older. It's not like Hossa is significantly younger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grittzkey 1 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Id do anything i could to snag him. Only players that i wouldnt trade away would be Z/Datz/Homer/Lids/Flipper everyone else is free game.. Hossa is going to be a stud for along time to come atleast another 7-8 years before his game falls off. Hell, id say Kindl,Errickson,Sammy,1st,2nd round pick for Hossa.. Even then i doubt they'd do it.. but i would love to have hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 The problem I have with getting rid of Kindl and Flip is that is overpaying for a rental player. Hossa would be a last minute deadline deal and the team that gets him will have him for a couple of months and then he is a free agent. If he is already saying he wants out of ATL then the teams looking at him are in a better situation. Take the Kobe fiasco for example. He wants out and will not come back after his contract is up. The Lakers have two choices, trade him and get something in return, or keep him and get nothing at the end of the season when they lose him to FA. That could be the same case with Hossa, so with that in mind the price to get him comes down a little. It is not like you are getting him with 3 years on his deal. This is a rental player situation. exactly. we'd have to give up way too much to rent this guy. and when we won't be able to afford to keep him around. if we really want this guy, we should wait until the summer and roll the dice. it'd be a waste to give away so much of our future to land a guy who in all likelihood we can't keep. Better spent on a reliable defenceman at the deadline. Out goals for aren't too bad, 3rd in the league, but our goals against is a little too high for my liking. not since ozzie's been net Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
06TJSport 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I have never heard of Hossa being a player that isn't really a team player, but when a gifted natural goal scorer like that opts out of a shootout because he is not "feeling it" that worries me about him. That is a very primadonna attitude and that changes my opinion of him. I think that is fine. You ever have those days where it feels like nothing is working for you? Well he didn't feel that he could score and why hurt the team when someone else might be feeling like they have something and let them go ahead and shoot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I just don't see the good of bringing in Hossa outweighing the bad of who we give away to get him Well obviously there are a lot of ifs clouding the picture. But if Hossa were to stay healthy, be hungry, and be open to returning at a reasonable price next season, I wouldn't hesitate to unload Kronner, Huds, Flip, Kindl -- any of the guys who have been mentioned, provided Waddell would play along. Hossa tends to get a bad rap, and I suppose I can understand why. But him in full-force is worth two Flips and two Huds put together, IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I dont want him. Cant play in the playoffs, and would cost alot, I dont really want to turn into Tampa Bay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anomalously 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Well the whole "feeling it" thing is just a rumor, still I'm skeptical. He might be too much to keep. Also, Datsyuk is only six months older. It's not like Hossa is significantly younger. He would be THE best player on this team for the next five years, provided we could keep him that long. And he's exactly what the team needs: proven, young phenomenally talented GOAL scoring winger. Six months younger... and 272 goals, 585 points vs. 110 goals, 342 points. If we snatched Hossa at the deadline, we could do it this year. We'd need to move Kronwall to do it, yes. But with Howard/Osgood as a tandem over the next few years, our goaltenders are only going to be a $3-4M problem for the next three years. You can move others over in order to get a guy like this. It may not be likely that we get him, but if we could get him without giving up Datsyuk or Zetterberg (another Heatley for Hossa trade): go get him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Hossa??? Lets lay off the crack. You have 5 guys on your team that make between 6-7M. The Wings should be looking at the Dumonts, Ryders, Rolstons, and Legwands of the leaugue...the guys that fall into the 3.5-5M range are the ones we can afford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) what if the Wings made a three way trade with Washington and Pittsburgh receiving Ovechkin and Crosby and giving up Lilja and a 5th rounder? in all seriousness though, if atlanta was shopping Hossa, id definitely give a look, but again, they'd want probably Z or Datsyuk in return, and you just dont do that. Edited November 1, 2007 by kylee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 Hossa??? Lets lay off the crack. You have 5 guys on your team that make between 6-7M. The Wings should be looking at the Dumonts, Ryders, Rolstons, and Legwands of the leaugue...the guys that fall into the 3.5-5M range are the ones we can afford. Exactly. Having 3 forwards and 2 d-men making more then 6 million dollars, your gonna have alot of problems. Instead you could go after guys you mentioned and have good depth and still be very competive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites