Offical Lloyd Carr retirement thread

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Now that Lloyd Carr's retirement is imminent, I thought it would be fortuitous to start a tribute thread.

As an alum, I've been a Carr fan and supporter. You have to think back to what I watched for the prior 10 years to realize he actually opened up the offense (hard to believe I know but it was a step forward).

The era of "franchise" coaches is gone, and who knows what the future holds, but I believe in the long run his legacy will be very positive. Lloyd brought us a championship - sure it was 10 years ago - but it's something Bo couldn't do - and let's face it, they're hard to come by. And you cannot disregard his stance as a Michigan man off field - very charitable - very active in the community.

Overall 121-41 with 5 Big Ten titles - I think most programs would be ecstatic to have that record. Of course we all know the program has gone a bit downhill these last 4 years with 4 losses to OSU and the 4 Bowl losses. Certainly it's time for a change, but I'll miss Lloyd and wish him the best.

I'm a little bit miffed at the posters in some of the UM forums at their attitude - although I realize they're probably not even true UM fans or grads, and in reality aren't probably half the man a coach like Carr is...

Here's to the future of Michigan football and hoping they hire the right guy - and hopeful that we see Lloyd cheering on the Maize and Blue from the booths.

I'm hoping the team can get healthy, get it together and send him out with a Bowl win.

[timothy1997 0]

very nice post on Carr. Even tho I hated Carr for coaching my school's main rival, I respected him so much. I remember the days when Bo coached Michigan and I find it hard to find another coach like Bo, but Carr is right up there.

Here is to Carr's future and hopefully he is surrounded anyway with Michigan football.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Lloyd Carr is a class act, and although his teams were very frustrating at times to watch I still love the guy to death. I have never met him, but a few in my family have, and they all say once you meet him you are wowed by him. I wish the media knew this Lloyd Carr, but only his players, and people of Michigan get to see that. The relationships he made with players off the field was the most impressive. This is quickly vanishing in college football today because coaches come in, and treat it like the NFL. Schools need more coaches like Carr, who treat their players like they are his kids, or someone who will always be there for them.

Edited November 18, 2007 by mannysBETTER3434

[BlakChamber 8]

Carr seems to be a good guy who runs a clean program and really cares about his players. There need to be more coaches like that.

[eva unit zero 271]

Carr seems to be a good guy who runs a clean program and really cares about his players. There need to be more coaches like that.

This is exactly why I've always liked Carr. While winning was important, and something he did often, it was more important for the players to be responsible, stand-up PEOPLE on and off the field. It's also hard when you have a guy whose Big Ten winning percentage is better than any coach of any other Big Ten school ever, yet he gets slammed for 'not winning enough' like his teams win 6 games every year.

[timothy1997 0]

This is exactly why I've always liked Carr. While winning was important, and something he did often, it was more important for the players to be responsible, stand-up PEOPLE on and off the field. It's also hard when you have a guy whose Big Ten winning percentage is better than any coach of any other Big Ten school ever, yet he gets slammed for 'not winning enough' like his teams win 6 games every year.

I think it has to do with two reasons.

#1 Carr's record against Tressel

#2 Carr's record in bowl games.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Lloyd Carr has run a clean program that has been successful. A bit of a rarity it seems these days, and the third winningest Big Ten coach ever.

We at Ohio State will miss Carr, we fear your new coach will be your Tressel.

[timothy1997 0]

We at Ohio State will miss Carr, we fear your new coach will be your Tressel.

Just what we need, a whole bunch of Tressel's running around. Oh wait, we already have one in Michigan State.

[timothy1997 0]

All-Time Lloyd Carr team

Offense

WR Braylon Edwards, 2001-2004

WR David Terrell, 1998-2000

OT Jake Long, 2004-2007

OG Steve Hutchinson, 1997-2000

C Rod Payne, 1993-1996

OG David Baas, 2001-2004

OT Jon Jansen, 1995-1998

TE Jerame Tuman, 1995-1998

QB Tom Brady, 1996-1999

RB Mike Hart, 2004-2007

RB Anthony Thomas, 1997-2000

K Jay Feely, 1995-1998

Defense

DT Alan Branch, 2004-2006

DT Glen Steele, 1994-1997

DE James Hall, 1996-1999

DE LaMarr Woodley, 2003-2006

LB Jarrett Irons, 1993-1996

LB Sam Sword, 1995-1998

LB David Harris, 2003-2006

CB/S Marlin Jackson, 2001-2004

CB Charles Woodson, 1995-1997

S Marcus Ray, 1995-1998

CB Leon Hall, 2003-2006

P Adam Finley, 2001-2004

Pretty impressive.

Edited November 19, 2007 by timothy1997

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Wow after reading that list I can't believe I forgot about all those great OL's. They have really done a great job with them.

[Happy Pancake 6]

I got to see Lloyd in person coach his last Big Ten game. Even though they lost, I'm glad I got to go see him one more time. I'll post pics later if anyone is interested in seeing them.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

I got to see Lloyd in person coach his last Big Ten game. Even though they lost, I'm glad I got to go see him one more time. I'll post pics later if anyone is interested in seeing them.

I'm thinking about posting pictures in the College Football thread....whenever I'm not too lazy to upload them.

[betterREDthandead 58]

All-Time Lloyd Carr team

Offense

WR Braylon Edwards, 2001-2004

WR David Terrell, 1998-2000

OT Jake Long, 2004-2007

OG Steve Hutchinson, 1997-2000

C Rod Payne, 1993-1996

OG David Baas, 2001-2004

OT Jon Jansen, 1995-1998

TE Jerame Tuman, 1995-1998

QB Tom Brady, 1996-1999

RB Mike Hart, 2004-2007

RB Anthony Thomas, 1997-2000

K Jay Feely, 1995-1998

Defense

DT Alan Branch, 2004-2006

DT Glen Steele, 1994-1997

DE James Hall, 1996-1999

DE LaMarr Woodley, 2003-2006

LB Jarrett Irons, 1993-1996

LB Sam Sword, 1995-1998

LB David Harris, 2003-2006

CB/S Marlin Jackson, 2001-2004

CB Charles Woodson, 1995-1997

S Marcus Ray, 1995-1998

CB Leon Hall, 2003-2006

P Adam Finley, 2001-2004

Pretty impressive.

Man do I miss the days when Michigan's defense had guys named Steele, Irons, and Sword lining up in the front seven.

[WingsZR2 1]

I wanted Carr to step down last year, not because I don’t like him but it was obvious that the times had passed him by. In 13 years he ran a clean program and for that I have nothing but respect. If more coaches took as much time to get to know their players as Carr did college sports wouldn’t just be a spring board to the NFL, he turned boys in to men and for those that don’t play on Sundays I’m sure they think back to the great times they had and the positive impact he had on their lives. We may have lost Bo and Lloyd is riding off into the sunset but the impression they have left on the University of Michigan will last forever.

Those who stay will be champions, it will always be about the team, the team, the team.

[Grittzkey 1]

I have mixed feelings about Lloyd, I loved him as a person, but as a coach lately he hasnt been pulling his weight. I'am glad that he took this year to groom a less talented bunch for the next coach, instead of Throwing a new coach into the mix with 8-9? new starters on defence. Ii admire that, But i also hate how lately he has folded agaisnt teams like OSU and Bowl Games in general.

As much as Les Miles would seem to be a great replacement for Lloyd. I really want a new style of ball in Michigan, Which i cant see happening they are so stuck in there ways, which makes me think it wont happen.

Brian Kelly would be awesome, His offence is a proven winner.. and with the recievers we have coming back next year. with or without manningham. the lack of a stud RB and a great young QB in mallet. His offence would be great. and hopefully English would stay as a Defensive Cord and i think we would make a run next year even with a less then stellar group on Offence. But realisticly. why would a coach hop between 3 teams within 2 years? CMU/Cinn/MI? i dont think he would, unless he felt that he couldnt bring Cinci to the National Champship.

Overall, Give me Kelly we will have a coach for 10-15 Years.

Give me Miles and ill still be happy

[eva unit zero 271]

I have mixed feelings about Lloyd, I loved him as a person, but as a coach lately he hasnt been pulling his weight. I'am glad that he took this year to groom a less talented bunch for the next coach, instead of Throwing a new coach into the mix with 8-9? new starters on defence. Ii admire that, But i also hate how lately he has folded agaisnt teams like OSU and Bowl Games in general.

I'd rather lose in the Rose Bowl than win in the Capital One bowl. Lloyd has taken the Wolverines to the Rose Bowl four times in thirteen seasons. During Carr's tenure, OSU has gone twice (including this year), Wisconsin has gone twice, Purdue, Northwestern. That means Carr's Michigan teams have 40% of the Big Ten selections, assuming OSU goes to the Rose this year. If OSU backs into the title game, and Illinois doesn't by some miracle end up in the Rose Bowl, Carr ends up with 45% of Big Ten selections. That's pretty damn good for a program whose primary goal for most of that time was 'Go to the Rose Bowl'

As much as Les Miles would seem to be a great replacement for Lloyd. I really want a new style of ball in Michigan, Which i cant see happening they are so stuck in there ways, which makes me think it wont happen.

Lloyd Carr did provide a new style of ball. His three four-year quarterbacks; Henne, Navarre, and Brady; absolutely DESTROYED the previous passing records. If you look at the Michigan record books for quarterbacks, those guys have written their names all over it. Bo-ball was basically what we saw from OSU; rush the ball almost every play. Except with Bo, it was not about trusting your QB (Tressel trusted Boeckman on Sunday about as much as Carr trusted Mallett, which is very little), it was just the way things were done.

Brian Kelly would be awesome, His offence is a proven winner.. and with the recievers we have coming back next year. with or without manningham. the lack of a stud RB and a great young QB in mallet. His offence would be great. and hopefully English would stay as a Defensive Cord and i think we would make a run next year even with a less then stellar group on Offence. But realisticly. why would a coach hop between 3 teams within 2 years? CMU/Cinn/MI? i dont think he would, unless he felt that he couldnt bring Cinci to the National Champship.

Overall, Give me Kelly we will have a coach for 10-15 Years.

Give me Miles and ill still be happy

I don't expect either Kelly or Miles, honestly.

[timothy1997 0]

I'd rather lose in the Rose Bowl than win in the Capital One bowl. Lloyd has taken the Wolverines to the Rose Bowl four times in thirteen seasons. During Carr's tenure, OSU has gone twice (including this year), Wisconsin has gone twice, Purdue, Northwestern. That means Carr's Michigan teams have 40% of the Big Ten selections, assuming OSU goes to the Rose this year. If OSU backs into the title game, and Illinois doesn't by some miracle end up in the Rose Bowl, Carr ends up with 45% of Big Ten selections. That's pretty damn good for a program whose primary goal for most of that time was 'Go to the Rose Bowl'

That stat is misleading given that Ohio State has bypassed the Rose Bowl 2 years in order to play for the National Championship. Michigan has won (or shared) the Big Ten Title 5 times since 1997. Ohio State has done it 6 times.

[eva unit zero 271]

That stat is misleading given that Ohio State has bypassed the Rose Bowl 2 years in order to play for the National Championship. Michigan has won (or shared) the Big Ten Title 5 times since 1997. Ohio State has done it 6 times.

It's not misleading. I stated that a primary goal of the program was to play in the Rose Bowl Game, and Carr's teams did that four times out of what will be nine or ten selections for Big Ten teams. But if you prefer, Carr won or shared 5 Big Ten championships in his first ten seasons. Ohio State and Northwestern each managed three in that time period, and Iowa and Wisconsin each managed the feat twice. Purdue and Illinois would each produce a single conference title in that timespan. Yes, Carr's teams haven't ben able to beat OSU recently. But then again, OSU hasn't lost many games to ANYBODY the past three seasons. Since the start of the 2005 season, OSU has lost 4 games. Texas (national champions 2006), Penn State (Big Ten Co-champions 2005), Florida (national champions 2007), and Illinois. Illinois is the only team that didn't themselves finish the season with one loss. As much as I hate to admit it, OSU has been phenomenal the past few seasons.

[timothy1997 0]

It's not misleading. I stated that a primary goal of the program was to play in the Rose Bowl Game, and Carr's teams did that four times out of what will be nine or ten selections for Big Ten teams. But if you prefer, Carr won or shared 5 Big Ten championships in his first ten seasons. Ohio State and Northwestern each managed three in that time period, and Iowa and Wisconsin each managed the feat twice. Purdue and Illinois would each produce a single conference title in that timespan. Yes, Carr's teams haven't ben able to beat OSU recently. But then again, OSU hasn't lost many games to ANYBODY the past three seasons. Since the start of the 2005 season, OSU has lost 4 games. Texas (national champions 2006), Penn State (Big Ten Co-champions 2005), Florida (national champions 2007), and Illinois. Illinois is the only team that didn't themselves finish the season with one loss. As much as I hate to admit it, OSU has been phenomenal the past few seasons.

the stat is totally misleading because twice the Rose Bowl committe gave Michigan the nod based on the Wolverines being 2nd in the Big Ten and the Big Ten Champions Ohio State being unavailable, and one Rose Bowl was the national championship game and despite Ohio State & Penn State winning the Big Ten, they were not #1 or #2 in the BCS rankings.

Despite having a great record from Tressel, he has never taken the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl. How crazy a stat is that!!

[eva unit zero 271]

the stat is totally misleading because twice the Rose Bowl committe gave Michigan the nod based on the Wolverines being 2nd in the Big Ten and the Big Ten Champions Ohio State being unavailable, and one Rose Bowl was the national championship game and despite Ohio State & Penn State winning the Big Ten, they were not #1 or #2 in the BCS rankings.

Despite having a great record from Tressel, he has never taken the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl. How crazy a stat is that!!

Once. Michigan went to the Rose Bowl in 2007 when OSU was destroyed by Florida in the title game. In 2003, OSU went to the title game, but Oklahoma played Washington State in the Rose Bowl with Big Ten co-champ Iowa sent to the Orange Bowl and Michigan beating Florida in the Outback bowl. This is the only instance under the BCS where the Rose Bowl chose to deny the Big Ten a conference bid. Iowa was ranked above Oklahoma in all three polls yet the Rose Bowl chose to snub them in favor of Oklahoma.

It was also yet another season in recent memory the downtrodden Big Ten finished with three top-nine teams in the final AP poll (OSU, Iowa, and Michigan that year, and OSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin last season).