How is Osgood not a write-in leader??

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I have been voting at least 3 times a day... now how the HELL isn't Osgood a write-in leader with the year he is having, yet freakin "6-5-1 half on the shelf" Dom is in 3rd??!!?!?!

THIS IS PATHETIC

What is wrong with people - START VOTING DAMNIT!!!!!!

Step away from the computer so you don't break it...

Sit down...

Take a few deep breaths...

Calm down and have a beer...

All-star ballots, not just in the NHL, but in the NBA and MLB as well, are written up way, way WAY early in a season based largely on popularity of star players and before some of those players might start to struggle aways into a season, but well before an all-star break.

Osgood was more/less a "back-up" last season (please for the love of god let's not get into him not really being a back up or goalie comparisons) and Hasek did well last season, hence Hasek being on the all-star ballot and Osgood not being on it this season, along with the reasons in my last paragraph.

This is nothing new in any professional sport.

I just wanted to point out the obvious:

I don't have to get off my ass to vote, I can vote right here sitting on my ass 100 times a day if I want.

:rotflmao:

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Is...this sarcasm?? cause Ozzie faces an average of 24 shots a game. And all you have to do is compare his record with Doms to know that a team can only go so far in salvaging wins for their goaltender.

its not sarcasm , you sure ozzie faces 24 shots a game or your just throwing it out there ?? he gets 15-25 a game so whatever 24 is around there and he doesnt get hard shots , ozzie is going his job and dominik hasek isnt , but it doesnt mean osgood has been outstandinjg most games he doesnt get really hard shots , we play well in front of him hes doing his job........... and yes dom has been awful this season and we all know its his last season but we also know hasek well enough to know he wont finish his career like this , he'll bounce back before the season ends and will be our goalie in the playoffs , you'll see

It's not like he kept us in games or anything when the team and defense decided to take periods off. If you don't believe he's been great this season, you're way beyond biased. He hasn't had a bad game yet, has let in very few questionable goals and has made plenty of outstanding saves to keep us in games. Like him or not, he's been an among the elite goaltenders in the league this year without question.

no offense but i believe your biased , hes good but hes not as great as most people make him out to be here , if the guy played his whole career outside of detroit he probably wouldnt even be in the nhl right now and wouldnt of had nearly as a successful career as he's had , im happy the guy is doing his job and hes helping us win games but i dont think hes had to face many difficult shots , i definetly wouldnt say hes been among the elite of the nhl .

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

its not sarcasm , you sure ozzie faces 24 shots a game or your just throwing it out there ?? he gets 15-25 a game so whatever 24 is around there and he doesnt get hard shots , ozzie is going his job and dominik hasek isnt , but it doesnt mean osgood has been outstandinjg most games he doesnt get really hard shots , we play well in front of him hes doing his job........... and yes dom has been awful this season and we all know its his last season but we also know hasek well enough to know he wont finish his career like this , he'll bounce back before the season ends and will be our goalie in the playoffs , you'll see

no offense but i believe your biased , hes good but hes not as great as most people make him out to be here , if the guy played his whole career outside of detroit he probably wouldnt even be in the nhl right now and wouldnt of had nearly as a successful career as he's had , im happy the guy is doing his job and hes helping us win games but i dont think hes had to face many difficult shots , i definetly wouldnt say hes been among the elite of the nhl .

Ozzie has faced 369 shots in 16 games (per TSN), that works out to a little over 23 shots a game.

[gcom007 1,465]

no offense but i believe your biased , hes good but hes not as great as most people make him out to be here , if the guy played his whole career outside of detroit he probably wouldnt even be in the nhl right now and wouldnt of had nearly as a successful career as he's had , im happy the guy is doing his job and hes helping us win games but i dont think hes had to face many difficult shots , i definetly wouldnt say hes been among the elite of the nhl .

Well, most every hockey critic disagrees with you there, so I give you props for not running with the crowd. Unfortunately for you though is that logic is still on the crowds side with this issue.

Hasek could come around, but just because he would never want to go out like this doesn't mean his age might have the upper hand. Only time will tell, but you can only fight it for so long especially in such a position as goalie where the slightest loss of reflex speed can screw you over.

And if you're going to suggest that Osgood's benefitted from the team in front of him, you've gotta use the same logic on Hasek. And while I don't feel that his play was bad last year at all, it seemed quite obvious especially at certain times that he wasn't capable of playing at the same level of intensity as he once was. I think the playoffs were evidence of that as well especially in that must-win Game 6 against Anaheim. I'm not wholly blaming him, but it was a pretty lackadaisical effort for the most important game of the year. Even in '02 when he was showing signs of slowing down I don't believe that would've happened.

I've been very vocal about who I would prefer to be in net but I've also emphatically stated that ultimately I want the best goalie to play come playoff time despite who I might prefer as a fan. With that in mind, to speculate, I don't think we're out of the woods with Hasek yet. One game (that was one of the most lopsided games of the season by far...) is hardly a tell-all for where he's at. I give him credit for playing well enough to win, but he's got to do so consistently when he actually plays in what deserves to be called a game. Before the hoopla began, in pre-season, I sensed that something was off. I'm not departing from that. I think 43 finally caught up to him a bit. But, time will tell...

[Echolalia 2,961]

Well I sure voted for Osgood. Hes been one of the best goalies in the league, let alone our conference, he deserves to add the 07-08 All-star game to his resume

[toby91_ca 620]

...well, no worries dude, if things (w/Osgood and the Wings) continue the way they are going, by time the All Star Game gets here, Babcock will be the coach and he WILL select OSgood as an All Star, as a matter of fact, whomever the head coach, he should give Osgood the call...

Okay, can someone explain to me why so many people think the coach of the allstar team has any say picking the rest of the roster???

Nothing against you LeftWinger, as I know this thinking is quite common, I just have no clue why.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Okay, can someone explain to me why so many people think the coach of the allstar team has any say picking the rest of the roster???

Nothing against you LeftWinger, as I know this thinking is quite common, I just have no clue why.

I could be wrong, but I believe the NHL Board of Governors make the decision on alternates. I don't know that the coaches have a say at all, although it's possible. The All Star game is nothing but a PR sideshow, and hasn't had much to do with the actual abilities of the players for some time now, IMO.

Jan 13, 07 recap - All Star Snub

Dominik Hasek had every right to be motivated by an All-Star snub. He insisted he wasn't [edit: when interviewed after shutting out none other than Montreal, 2-0]. Hasek, who leads the NHL with a 1.98 goals-against average, is one shutout behind New Jersey's Martin Brodeur for tops in the league. But that wasn't enough to earn a spot on the Western Conference All-Star team.

Vancouver's Roberto Luongo was elected to start in fan balloting. Calgary's Miikka Kiprusoff and Dallas' Marty Turco were selected as reserves on Saturday.

Alternate selection has evrything to do with popularity and some other arcane factors which do not address the actual player or his capabilities or his record for the season, evidently. Hasek was completely overlooked in favor of Turco, I believe, due to the fact that the game was held in Dallas. No other reason that makes sense. Who cares if Turco says funny things when he's mic'd up? Although I guess that could be a criteria for selection in the "New NHL" All Star Game.

If the HBOG (if they are the deciders) decides Ozzie is going, then he's going. Otherwise, I am not sure write-in ballots will do the trick, unless someone mounts a Rory Fitzpatrick-esque campaign.

Edited December 6, 2007 by puckloo39

[vangvace 12]

Dare I say that if Osgood doesn't get the call for the Allstar game that it casts some light on his HOFness

[puckloo39 5,686]

Dare I say that if Osgood doesn't get the call for the Allstar game that it casts some light on his HOFness

May I respectfully disagree, Vangvace? The All Star game is fun and a nice honor, but I seriously don't think it reflects the actual abilities of the player or his records and achievements in the NHL. I think Ozzie has a very good shot at the Hall of Fame, regardless of the outcome of this season's All Star game. JMO.

[96warrior 11]

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/

Vote for Ozzie

Posted by George James Malik December 06, 2007 08:22AM

Detroit Red Wings goaltender Chris Osgood is nowhere to be found among the NHL's All-Star fan balloting leaders. With a month left in the voting, the Wings' website is starting an understated campaign to get Osgood voted in as a write-in candidate:

December 5, DetroitRedWings.com: A trio of Red Wings sit atop the most current voting results that will decide the Western Conference's starting roster for this season's All-Star Game. Unfortunately, the one player who is most deserving of making the All-Star Game isn't even on this year's ballot. Goalie Chris Osgood, perhaps the best feel-good story in the league this season, has posted 13 wins in 15 decisions. But fans won't find his name on the ballot.

"In my mind, he is an all-star," said Henrik Zetterberg, who has received 175,270 votes. "He's been playing really well for us. That stretch that we had with nine straight wins, a big part of that was him playing so well for us. Everything starts with the goalie and when he's hot the team kind of plays better."

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Five Red Wings - defensemen Nicklas Lidstrom (246,144 votes) and Brian Rafalski, forwards Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk (134,661), and goalie Dominik Hasek on this year's fan ballot. Fans have until January 2 to cast their votes for the starters of the January 27 game in Atlanta.

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While the fans vote for the game's starters, Osgood still has a very good chance at heading to Atlanta in late January. The league and commissioner Gary Bettman will finalize the Eastern and Western conference rosters.

"Has he played like an all-star?" Wings coach Mike Babcock asked. "Then he's an all-star. That's how I look at it, but that's not how it works. The fans have a huge vote and history and all that type of stuff. I think it happens every year with guys that are having great individual years and sometimes they miss out."

Both Osgood and Tomas Holmstrom are write-in candidates, and it's worth noting that the NHL prefers to represent all teams, so it's highly unlikely that extra Red Wings would be included on the roster by Bettman and the NHL's GM's for the sake of "balance."

Osgood isn't particularly concerned about his status:

December 6, Detroit Free Press: [Detroit Red Wings coach Mike] Babcock said Dominik Hasek, who started Tuesday, would start Friday against Minnesota. Osgood (13-1-1, 1.79 goals-against average, .924 save percentage) has numbers that merit consideration for his participation in the Jan. 27 All-Star Game -- not that he is paying attention to online voting.

"I barely know how to use my computer," [Osgood] said. "My daughters are on it more than I am. ... If I do get chosen to go, I'll go, and it'll be pretty cool to have a chance to go at this stage in my career -- that's how I look at it." ...

[OsGOD 3]

Dare I say that if Osgood doesn't get the call for the Allstar game that it casts some light on his HOFness

How???? Uninformed fans don't vote people into the HoF... Not to mention the HoF is hardly the joke that the all-star game is...

what she said below:

May I respectfully disagree, Vangvace? The All Star game is fun and a nice honor, but I seriously don't think it reflects the actual abilities of the player or his records and achievements in the NHL. I think Ozzie has a very good shot at the Hall of Fame, regardless of the outcome of this season's All Star game. JMO.

Edited December 6, 2007 by OsGOD

[vangvace 12]

How???? Uninformed fans don't vote people into the HoF... Not to mention the HoF is hardly the joke that the all-star game is...

I'm under the impression that the voting is just for the starting roster yeah? So there goes one of the three slots. If with his season the powers that be choose not to include him could you not say that it's more "Osgood = meh" that seems to flow around the league?

That's is what I was getting at, along with the Osgood retirement thread using all-star games as a justification either way.

[puckloo39 5,686]

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/

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While the fans vote for the game's starters, Osgood still has a very good chance at heading to Atlanta in late January. The league and commissioner Gary Bettman will finalize the Eastern and Western conference rosters.

there's the answer... I believe by "the League" is the NHL Board of Governors. Add Bettman to the mix, and you get decisions such as Turco being chosen over Hasek last season's All Star PR bash. So, Ozzie's selection may be an arbitrary thing, in the "capable" hands of Bettman and Co.

Maybe if everyone emails Bettman and puts in a plug for adding Ozzie, it could happen. But I think it will boil down to which goalie (aside from the starters who are voted in) is more camera-friendly, or funnier with a mic on, or something else related to what they think the fans want - not who's playing best.

Altanta doesn't have funny or particularly capable goalies, so it's possible Ozzie will get the nod.

[OsGOD 3]

I'm under the impression that the voting is just for the starting roster yeah? So there goes one of the three slots. If with his season the powers that be choose not to include him could you not say that it's more "Osgood = meh" that seems to flow around the league?

That's is what I was getting at, along with the Osgood retirement thread using all-star games as a justification either way.

After the starters the rest are filled in by the conference leading coaches (if i am not mistaken)... who are more like biased towards certain players anyways.... The all-star game is far less about skill or talent but more about the big names as a sad attempt to draw the "so-so" fans into the sport. oh and can't forget about trying to boost TV ratings for those two nights!

I do hope the HoF ranks more on actual lifetime accomplishments moreso than the underappreciated view of the league.

Edited December 6, 2007 by OsGOD

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

there's the answer... I believe by "the League" is the NHL Board of Governors. Add Bettman to the mix, and you get decisions such as Turco being chosen over Hasek last season's All Star PR bash. So, Ozzie's selection may be an arbitrary thing, in the "capable" hands of Bettman and Co.

Maybe if everyone emails Bettman and puts in a plug for adding Ozzie, it could happen. But I think it will boil down to which goalie (aside from the starters who are voted in) is more camera-friendly, or funnier with a mic on, or something else related to what they think the fans want - not who's playing best.

Altanta doesn't have funny or particularly capable goalies, so it's possible Ozzie will get the nod.

But Atlanta isn't in the WC.

[puckloo39 5,686]

But Atlanta isn't in the WC.

I know... I was making a joke (sort of) about how the arena the game is played in seems to be a factor in who gets selected.

OsGod, don't worry about Ozzie in the HHOF. I would be more surprised if he isn't nominated, than the reverse.

[toby91_ca 620]

there's the answer... I believe by "the League" is the NHL Board of Governors. Add Bettman to the mix, and you get decisions such as Turco being chosen over Hasek last season's All Star PR bash. So, Ozzie's selection may be an arbitrary thing, in the "capable" hands of Bettman and Co.

Maybe if everyone emails Bettman and puts in a plug for adding Ozzie, it could happen. But I think it will boil down to which goalie (aside from the starters who are voted in) is more camera-friendly, or funnier with a mic on, or something else related to what they think the fans want - not who's playing best.

Altanta doesn't have funny or particularly capable goalies, so it's possible Ozzie will get the nod.

The Hockey Operations Department, which is run by Colin Campbell selects the remaining spots....in consultation with the 30 GMs.

After the starters the rest are filled in by the conference leading coaches (if i am not mistaken)...

Like so many others it seems, you are misstaken.

[puckloo39 5,686]

The Hockey Operations Department, which is run by Colin Campbell selects the remaining spots....in consultation with the 30 GMs.

Hockey Operations, that's it. I read somewhere (Wikipedia maybe, for what that's worth) that is was Board of Governors, but I think you're right, Toby. Not the coaches, then, but I do recall GMS being involved last year.

[Guest jaytan]

I couldn't find where to vote and gave up.

[eva unit zero 271]

there's the answer... I believe by "the League" is the NHL Board of Governors. Add Bettman to the mix, and you get decisions such as Turco being chosen over Hasek last season's All Star PR bash.

Give it up, please. Hasek maybe was more deserving than Turco, But he was not more deserving than Luongo, Kiprusoff, Giguere, or Nabokov...so it's not like he's the guy who was snubbed anyway.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Give it up, please. Hasek maybe was more deserving than Turco, But he was not more deserving than Luongo, Kiprusoff, Giguere, or Nabokov...so it's not like he's the guy who was snubbed anyway.

There's nothing to "give up" Eva... just saying that's how it was. I didn't say it anyway -- the press did, and the media during the weekend. I couldn't care less if Dom goes this season or last. And I wasn't comparing Dom to any and all other WC goalies. The fact was, he was more qualified to be there than Turco. That's all.

So, people shouldn't be surprised if Ozzie isn't selected based on his play thus far in the season. Now, if Ozzie refuses to lose another game between now and January 15, then I think he'd have a case to just show up in Atlanta.

here is a little perspective (yeah, it's Burnside, but oh well):

what does the NHL want the All Star game to represent?

"We can understand the inclusion of Marty Turco as one of the West's three netminders because the game is in Dallas , but Stars defenseman Philippe Boucher was justly named to the reserve roster. Is there a better renaissance story than the play of Dominik Hasek in Detroit? Or how about Chris Mason? He kept the Predators afloat during Tomas Vokoun's long injury convalescence and leads the NHL in save percentage, a save percentage markedly better than that boasted by Turco, who has struggled at times this season."

Will Ozzie be this season's Chris Mason?

podcast on All Star 2007 snubs and silliness w/ Rory F

it's at the end and the show is long, but it's very interesting re: who got selected for 2007 ASG and why (at least according to the guys doing the podcast).

Edited December 7, 2007 by puckloo39

[Guest jaytan]

I repeat: Where can we vote?

[puckloo39 5,686]

I repeat: Where can we vote?

I thought you were kidding.

vote here

click on the US flag or Canadian, both are in English

You should get the ballot, write-ins at the bottom of the page.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

You guyssss!

Let's vote for Ozzie. Seriously. They keep saying on the pre-game that write in's are a huge part of it.

Get the Ozzie campaign going and let's make him an all star because we all know he deserves it!!

Vote, vote..vote!!

[gcom007 1,465]

I'm in the Facebook group...ha...it is a cool thing. Hopefully this takes off a bit more. Considering they've run that 2-3 minute short on the matter 3-4 times just tonight and talk about it incessantly, you'd have to think it'd help some.