Hasek Challenges, Gaborik goes Airborn

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Dare I say Lemaire knows a little bit more about hockey than the majority of posters on this site?

Edited December 9, 2007 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Grapes is also a bumbling rasict.

This thread is proof to me that the majority of people on this boreds have never played Hockey at a higher level than 14 year old house.

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[puckloo39 5,686]

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Dare I say Jaques Lemaire knows a little bit more about hockey than the majority of posters on this site?

what did you expect him to say? They got blown out and he couldn't complain about Hank's hat trick. We know which camp you're in EZ. FInd something else to "prove" your point.

[Houdini 0]

His actions prove what he was thinking. If he truely was attempting to poke check the puck, he would have used his stick, he wouldn't have thrown his pads at Gaboriks knees.

Funny, because I already listed 3 clips (which I list again below) where Hasek has done the same thing. He runs to the blue line and throws his body at the puck, and not his stick. The difference between those 3 clips and the one we are talking about? Simply that the player with the puck had it off to the side of himself, so when Hasek slides at the puck the player never got hit.

Since below is proof that Hasek slides at the puck with his body all the time without hitting the player, how can you say that he would never do this unless he was trying to hit someone???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EMf0ObSxP4

47 sec mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R00UkPAHBA

28 sec mark

51 sec mark

If you criticize a player at all, it must be beacuse you hate him, unless his name is Lang.

Again, yes, I don't like Hasek, but it has nothing to do with this play. But whatever, if you want to see thinks through your homer lenses, then have it your way.

Gee, and apparently if you don't criticize a player it must be because you have homer lenses on...

- Houdini

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

His actions prove what he was thinking. If he truely was attempting to poke check the puck, he would have used his stick, he wouldn't have thrown his pads at Gaboriks knees. Watch the clip, Dom could have easily poked the puck away, and not put Gaboirk in the dangerous spot he did.

Again, yes, I don't like Hasek, but it has nothing to do with this play. But whatever, if you want to see thinks through your homer lenses, then have it your way.

Or you can just see things through the "Hasek is the devil" lenses like you and some other people here do...

DISCLAIMER: No I am not a gigantic Hasek fan or have huge bias one way or the other towards him or EITHER GOALIE.

[edicius 3,269]

Again, I'm a little surprised at this thread. Hasn't anyone seen a goalie come out and make a play like this before?

You underestimate us, harold.

I honestly think all this uproar is because it was Dom. If Ozzie did it, the attitude would likely be different.

(And you know I'm more an Ozzie fan than a Dom fan, so I ain't sugarcoating this.)

Dom made the play to stop the puck. If successful, he stops the puck on a clear breakaway. If unsuccessful, Gaborik scores on an empty net. If Vladdy flipped a player (like he did to Lemieux, Lindros, etc.), we all oohed and aahed - and Vladdy's hits were HITS. Dom's was a defensive play to stop the puck. Gaborik going end over end was an unintended (but, admittedly, spectacular looking) side effect.

If it were to happen to one of our players...sure, we'd probably feel a little differently. But I'd like to think that I'd also be objective enough to say, "His head was down and (the goaltender) was coming out to make a save. That's hockey."

You know, I think this is what a lot of Wings fans should do to eliminate (or at least reduce) bias from their game-watching:

Watch a bunch of random games from around the league (if you have Center Ice) where you have no stake one way or the other in the teams playing, i.e. if you like the Rangers better than the Thrashers, don't watch; if you don't care either way about the Coyotes and the Kings, watch. Pay attention to the officiating. Pay attention to the hitting. Pay attention to the playmaking. Without an emotional investment in the game, it's a hell of a lot more likely to see what's really going on on the ice (Did the ref really botch a call? Did that player really deserve a penalty? Was that really a late hit?). It might help.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

:rotflmao:

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

what did you expect him to say? They got blown out and he couldn't complain about Hank's hat trick. We know which camp you're in EZ. FInd something else to "prove" your point.

Ok how about this

Save percentage: Osgood> Hasek

WIns: Osgood> Hasek

GAA:Osgood> Hasek

Games:Osgood> Hasek

Negative Articles about one's attitude: Hasek>Osgood

Penalties:Hasek>Osgood

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

His actions prove what he was thinking. If he truely was attempting to poke check the puck, he would have used his stick, he wouldn't have thrown his pads at Gaboriks knees. Watch the clip, Dom could have easily poked the puck away, and not put Gaboirk in the dangerous spot he did.

Again, yes, I don't like Hasek, but it has nothing to do with this play. But whatever, if you want to see thinks through your homer lenses, then have it your way.

my homer lenses?

Do you not see how funny a statement that is?

"Yes, I don't like Hasek but I see the play perfectly objectively. He was clearly going for Gaborik's knees. Because you disagree with me, you are a Wings homer who is biased."

You're ignoring how fast this play happened. Hasek slid down and did hit the puck. That's not making a play on it? It could've been even worse had he jammed his stick at the puck and right into Gaborik's feet.

You need to watch the clip. He could've easily poked the puck away? Are you high? I'd like to see you skate out of the net as fast as you can in goalie pads and easily make a pokecheck on Gaborik skating in on a breakaway.

Pot, meet kettle. This is all about you not liking Hasek. You calling me a homer is hilarious.

And if you've read over any of my posts in the last weeks, you'd know I'm hardly a Hasek slappy. He's played like garbage this year, with the exception of the last couple games. He doesn't suck for two games and some people are faliing all over themselves saying he's back. It's gonna take more than that before I'm convinced.

EDIT: Kelsey Grammar

Edited December 9, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[puckloo39 5,686]

Ok how about this

Save percentage: Osgood> Hasek

WIns: Osgood> Hasek

GAA:Osgood> Hasek

Games:Osgood> Hasek

Negative Articles about one's attitude: Hasek>Osgood

Penalties:Hasek>Osgood

:rotflmao:

What does any of your slanted, hateful attitude about Hasek (or any of your many convincing points above) have to do with the play Hasek made to preserve a shut out? Matt's right. All some of you are looking for a something, anything, to point at, to "prove" Hasek is evil, so you can come in here and spew.

Get real.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Stupid and dangerous move, but hey it's from Hasek, so can't expect any less...

lol

It's amazing how some people on here let their personal dislike for certain players cloud their judgement to the point where every. single. little. thing. is blown out of porportion. I'm beginning to believe that this thread has grown into something that isn't about the actual play itself but more of an excuse for anti-Hasek camp to come on here and spew their vitrol.

Were you saying the same thing when he came out on Erik Cole in the '02 Cup Finals?

I'm sorry but that comparision is so comical that I'm tempted to not even respond.

Sigh.... Diffrent things at stake.

One's a close game in the SCF

Other is a decided game in December

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Oh great, and yet another goalie comparison thread. Yippidie-f**king-do.

How else can we blow the Hasek/Gaborik play out of proportion? Ooh ooh I know, let's have a lottery for who things the play was morally right or wrong, and as well as the odds of if Hasek was a just a millisecond late to the puck, he would've caused Gaborik to land on the hairs of his left arm, as opposed to the haris of his right arm!

Seriously, we need to let it go people, there was NO intent to injure, Hasek is known for doing this, it's NOT ILLEGAL for goalies to aggressively play the puck like he did, he played the puck first.

Gaborik needs to keep his head up there. And for the record, Hudler needed to keep his head up when he got racked LEGALLY by Phaneuf, Williams needed to do the same when he got a concussion last season from a LEGAL check. So you cannot accuse me of being a homer.

Now can we all just please f**king LET THIS GO?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

You underestimate us, harold.

I honestly think all this uproar is because it was Dom. If Ozzie did it, the attitude would likely be different.

(And you know I'm more an Ozzie fan than a Dom fan, so I ain't sugarcoating this.)

Dom made the play to stop the puck. If successful, he stops the puck on a clear breakaway. If unsuccessful, Gaborik scores on an empty net. If Vladdy flipped a player (like he did to Lemieux, Lindros, etc.), we all oohed and aahed - and Vladdy's hits were HITS. Dom's was a defensive play to stop the puck. Gaborik going end over end was an unintended (but, admittedly, spectacular looking) side effect.

If it were to happen to one of our players...sure, we'd probably feel a little differently. But I'd like to think that I'd also be objective enough to say, "His head was down and (the goaltender) was coming out to make a save. That's hockey."

You know, I think this is what a lot of Wings fans should do to eliminate (or at least reduce) bias from their game-watching:

Watch a bunch of random games from around the league (if you have Center Ice) where you have no stake one way or the other in the teams playing, i.e. if you like the Rangers better than the Thrashers, don't watch; if you don't care either way about the Coyotes and the Kings, watch. Pay attention to the officiating. Pay attention to the hitting. Pay attention to the playmaking. Without an emotional investment in the game, it's a hell of a lot more likely to see what's really going on on the ice (Did the ref really botch a call? Did that player really deserve a penalty? Was that really a late hit?). It might help.

Well said.

Center Ice is great because it exposes fans to games around the league that, like you said, they have no vested interest in. It gives a much broader view and knowledge of the game. Because as much as we try not to be biased, it's pretty hard to do when the Wings are involved.

If the roles were reversed and this happened to Z or Dats, first and foremost I'd be glad they weren't hurt. I'd probably be a little ticked, but hopefully see it for what it was. Dom came sliding out, but didn't make any extra motion like sticking an arm or a leg out to take Gaborik down. If he had, there'd be reason to be pissed.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

:rotflmao:

What does any of your slanted, hateful attitude about Hasek (or any of your many convincing points above) have to do with the play Hasek made to preserve a shut out? Matt's right. All some of you are looking for a something, anything, to point at, to "prove" Hasek is evil, so you can come in here and spew.

Get real.

Stats don't lie, i'm just sick and tired of people on Hasek's Jock.

YES HE WAS THE BEST GOALIE OF THE 90'S. I admited it.

In 99 HASEK>OSGOOD

Unfortunatly the man is 42 and its almost 2008.

That comparison is like saying Muhammed Ali could beat Maywhether Currently because Ali was better in his prime.

Not everything is held in constant.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I am glad the vast majority of posters here understand that the game is hockey, and rules are rules. Hasek didn't do anything illegal, or immoral, in executing a perfectly legal play.

It's also nice to see that most people here support and understand that Hasek is a hockey player, and not "just" a goalie. Both of our 'tenders have hockey skill beyond that of the average goalie. So, we could be happy about that and enjoy it. But this is LGW, so what can we expect?

[Dabura 12,232]

Was the Minnesota game the first game you watched?

Better question:

Is this your first year as a hockey fan?

Dom was stopping the goddamn puck. He spread himself out to do so, not to send Gaborik flying. I'm sure he knew what would happen if Gaborik kept his head down, but I also imagine he assumed Gaborik, being a world-class player, wouldn't be stupid enough to barrel down on him without keeping an eye on the net. The play looks dirty and dangerous not because of what Dom did, but because Gaborik handled it like a fool. All he had to do was keep his head up and the play would have happened like it normally does -- i.e., guy slows down a bit, maybe tumbles, or hell: maybe he even dekes around Dom altogether. It's like if someone were to try to block a point shot with his face; yeah, you got hit in the face with a slapshot, but what the hell did you think would happen?

Everyone seriously needs to get off this. It's dragging down this forum's collective IQ level.

Edited December 9, 2007 by Dabura

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

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Dare I say Lemaire knows a little bit more about hockey than the majority of posters on this site?

I love it when people try to use that as some justification.

Look, you hate Hasek. We get it.

Quoting the coach from the opposing team doesn't somehow give your opinion more credibility.

His player almost landed on his head, what's he supposed to say, "Nice play Dom?"

Hasek said he had no intent to injure. Doesn't he know more than you?

I would hope that an NHL coach would take it up with the league and not whine to the press.

Stats don't lie, i'm just sick and tired of people on Hasek's Jock.

YES HE WAS THE BEST GOALIE OF THE 90'S. I admited it.

In 99 HASEK>OSGOOD

Unfortunatly the man is 42 and its almost 2008.

That comparison is like saying Muhammed Ali could beat Maywhether Currently because Ali was better in his prime.

Not everything is held in constant.

all good points. I agree that Hasek is riding on his rep.

He plays good, and it becomes "great" because of who he is. Whereas Ozzy plays great and for most people it's "good" because of his rep.

But that has nothing to do with this play.

Edited December 9, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[puckloo39 5,686]

lol

I'm sorry but that comparision is so comical that I'm tempted to not even respond .

Sigh.... Diffrent things at stake.

One's a close game in the SCF

Other is a decided game in December

then don't. Players make split second decisions all the time. This one turned out fine, no harm, no foul, no goal. You don't have to root for Hasek, but you could be a little more objective in this case.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Wah-wah!!! We lost. Wah-wa!!! He was too rough on us, he embarassed our star. He could have let him try to score. That wasn't fair! WAH!!!

Shut up.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Norrisnick brought up a good point on another board.

Gaborik points out (as people here have) the score was 5-0, he wasn't expecting Hasek to come charging out.

But you could turn that around. The score was 5-0, why was Gaborik cherrypicking instead of helping his team defensively so they don't get embarrassed more? He was interested in personal goals as much as Hasek was in keeping the shutout.

And this thread should probably be merged, in my opinion.

[donfishmaster 62]

OK Batman, riddle me this...

Hasek stays in goal...Gaborik comes straight at him on the breakaway, full-throttle and head-on. With puck on tip of stick, Gaborik shoves it through Hasek's 5-hole as Hasek is realizing he needs to protect himself from 200# missile. Puck crosses line into net=GOAL for Minnesota. .01 seconds later, Gaborik's momentum carries him through Hasek, net, Zamboni door, beer vendor, and parking lot with Hasek looking like roadkill. No penalty, right?

In this scenario would everyone make the same yap that the game was basically over, Gaborik shouldn't gone to the net so aggressively, dirty play. blah, blah, yada, yada, yada?

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Wah-wah!!! We lost. Wah-wa!!! He was too rough on us, he embarassed our star. He could have let him try to score. That wasn't fair! WAH!!!

Shut up.

Since were in third grade, MAKE ME

[puckloo39 5,686]

Gaborik was so stunned and thrilled to actually get control of the puck, he lost sight of the fact the the Wings left their goalie laying around on the ice.

thanks, Harold. I am going Christmas shopping now. I leave this in your capable hands.

[puckloo39 5,686]

OK Batman, riddle me this...

Hasek stays in goal...Gaborik comes straight at him on the breakaway, full-throttle and head-on. With puck on tip of stick, Gaborik shoves it through Hasek's 5-hole as Hasek is realizing he needs to protect himself from 200# missile. Puck crosses line into net=GOAL for Minnesota. .01 seconds later, Gaborik's momentum carries him through Hasek, net, Zamboni door, beer vendor, and parking lot with Hasek looking like roadkill. No penalty, right?

In this scenario would everyone make the same yap that the game was basically over, Gaborik shouldn't gone to the net so aggressively, dirty play. blah, blah, yada, yada, yada?

no, they would have blathered about Hasek letting in a "weak" goal so late in the game, most likely.

[Dabura 12,232]

The Wild are supposed to be one of the top three teams in the West. No way were they going to walk away from being blown out like that without having some choice words.

However, were they truly concerned about Dom trying to injure Gaborik (the team's star), it would have shown on the ice in the form of a brawl or ordered hit. Lemaire's been around long enough to know how to respond to real attempts to injure. He knew, and still knows, this wasn't such an attempt.

Saving face. That's all this is.

Edited December 9, 2007 by Dabura