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Ed Jovanovski, Adam Foote, Rob Blake. Big money there, but maybe something could be figured out. Detroit is obviously VERY good, but the questions they have to ask themselves are:

1. Do we have enough secondary scoring?

2. Do we have enough toughness and stamina for a two-month tournament this spring?

3. Should we be bold and look to add both back-end toughness and a top 4 forward?

All organizations have to constantly evaluate their team. Jiri Hudler's ice time has varied wildly this season. At times, he looks like a top 4 forward who can really elevate the Wings; but will he become a consistent, dependable three-zone player for a Cup contender or will he be a tease? Would the Wings look to a team like Pittsburgh with Ryan Malone and do something with Hudler?

It's going to be interesting to see how the Wings manage their team; will they stay put and go with what they have, or try to pull something off? Looking at the Tigers and Marlins' megatrade involving Miguel Cabrera, you know owner Mike Ilitch is always for being bold and going for it. The big difference, of course, is baseball does not have a salary cap and the NHL does.

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Ed Jovanovski, Adam Foote, Rob Blake. Big money there, but maybe something could be figured out. Detroit is obviously VERY good, but the questions they have to ask themselves are:

1. Do we have enough secondary scoring?

2. Do we have enough toughness and stamina for a two-month tournament this spring?

3. Should we be bold and look to add both back-end toughness and a top 4 forward?

All organizations have to constantly evaluate their team. Jiri Hudler's ice time has varied wildly this season. At times, he looks like a top 4 forward who can really elevate the Wings; but will he become a consistent, dependable three-zone player for a Cup contender or will he be a tease? Would the Wings look to a team like Pittsburgh with Ryan Malone and do something with Hudler?

It's going to be interesting to see how the Wings manage their team; will they stay put and go with what they have, or try to pull something off? Looking at the Tigers and Marlins' megatrade involving Miguel Cabrera, you know owner Mike Ilitch is always for being bold and going for it. The big difference, of course, is baseball does not have a salary cap and the NHL does.

Thanks for posting this.

In my opinion, the Wings need to be bold and make a big deal to get over the hump and win the whole freakin' thing.

If that means shipping off Hudler, Lebda or Filpulla then they have to do it. But I would want a premier player in return.

Jovocop has been looking better and better in the desert. He'd be a nice fit.

But Hudler for Malone might scare me though. I'm a big Malone fan - he's big, physical and has hands. But he can be streaky too. Who's to say he doesn't pull a Calder and disappear come playoff time?

If we're going to deal some key peices of our future I want as little left to chance as possible. A player like St.Louis would have to be involved.

The problem is by the time the deadline comes around there's a legit chance that only 2 or 3 teams will be out of the playoff picture. That doesn't leave a lot of dance partners to tango with.

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As I said in another thread, it will be very interesting to see what Holland does.

I think he's spot on that Detroit can use some more size and toughness on D, and some help with 2nd line scoring.

I don't see Holland being able to pull off both, but either one makes Detroit a much scarier team come playoff time. If I could only pick one, I'm not sure now which I'd want them to have more.

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As I said in another thread, it will be very interesting to see what Holland does.

I think he's spot on that Detroit can use some more size and toughness on D, and some help with 2nd line scoring.

I don't see Holland being able to pull off both, but either one makes Detroit a much scarier team come playoff time. If I could only pick one, I'm not sure now which I'd want them to have more.

Me too. I would hope that if it came down to choosing between a hard, physical dman like Foote or Jovocop against a softer 2nd line scorer, I'd choose Foote or Jovo.

The Wings probably have more balanced scoring now than they did last year in the playoffs (Calder was a bust and so was Bert while Hudler, Filp and Franzen have all improved this season thus far).

But I have a feeling that if you added Jovanovski to last years spring roster we would have won it all.

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I dont want to see huds and flip go, they are are future. It would be stupid if we game those two up. Every year those two get better and better.

If we are going to get rid of anyone make it someone that we know is not going to get mush better, like Sammy.

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Do not get rid of Hudler or Filpulla. They are young we need. we have no need for another washed up guy at the trade

deadline that will just leave the second the playoffs are over.

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Foote would be a great addition. Definitely no thank you to Jovanovski; he's signed through 2010/11 with a cap hit of $6.5 million. He's overrated, injury-prone, and weak defensively.

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I dont want to see huds and flip go, they are are future. It would be stupid if we game those two up. Every year those two get better and better.

If we are going to get rid of anyone make it someone that we know is not going to get mush better, like Sammy.

The problem is that everyone else knows he's not going to get much better either, so you're not going to get much for him.

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"But I have a feeling that if you added Jovanovski to last years spring roster we would have won it all."

Are you sure about this? Do you mean Jovo instead of Bert and Calder? In addition? I recall Bertuzzi turning the puck over at the blue line and Dom getting beaten by a Cory Fairy slap shot in game 4 that really hurt. I recall Andreas Lilja turning the puck over to Teemu Selanne in overtime of Game 5, that also really hurt.

We were beaten by a better team last year. Pronger was suspended for one of the games, and we still failed to win. Two games went to overtime and we failed to win. Was it close? Hell yes, but we did not win and were beaten by a better team. Now, they don't have Penner, Selanne and now have lost McDonald and picked up Bert, Schneids and Doug Weight. The West is won by beating Detroit and Anaheim. I see no reason why one of these two makes the Stanley Cup Finals.

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Foote would be a great addition. Definitely no thank you to Jovanovski; he's signed through 2010/11 with a cap hit of $6.5 million. He's overrated, injury-prone, and weak defensively.

Foote would be great and for those that want Fedorov back, both could be had for a mere $2,505,184.10 not even including if a player from our current roster was moved.

This isn't directed at you ARice, but the key here would be what we'd have to give up in personnel to get a player like Foote and a Fedorov or a Ryder, which would be plenty.

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"But I have a feeling that if you added Jovanovski to last years spring roster we would have won it all."

Are you sure about this? Do you mean Jovo instead of Bert and Calder? In addition? I recall Bertuzzi turning the puck over at the blue line and Dom getting beaten by a Cory Fairy slap shot in game 4 that really hurt. I recall Andreas Lilja turning the puck over to Teemu Selanne in overtime of Game 5, that also really hurt.

We were beaten by a better team last year. Pronger was suspended for one of the games, and we still failed to win. Two games went to overtime and we failed to win. Was it close? Hell yes, but we did not win and were beaten by a better team. Now, they don't have Penner, Selanne and now have lost McDonald and picked up Bert, Schneids and Doug Weight. The West is won by beating Detroit and Anaheim. I see no reason why one of these two makes the Stanley Cup Finals.

Considering how banged up our blueline was by the conference finals, yes, Jovo, in addition to that team, would have made the difference. Remember, Schneider was out and so was Lebda and Kronwall at times. Who's to say that Leilja's even on the ice at the time of the gaff if Jovo's on the roster?

Even if Anaheim's weaker this year, other teams have gotten stronger. Any of the top 8 teams in this conference could win the Cup.

Defensive depth cost us last year. I don't want the same thing to happen again.

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Toughness additions: Erskine and Malone

Skill additions: Comrie and Tarnstrom

Let's get Malone and Comrie, some skill, size and grit. We're pretty set on the back end, don't forget we have Quinceywho came up last year and did a pretty good job. Hopefully we don't have the injury bug on D again. A cheap D pickup for insurance might be Aaron Ward if the B's are out of it. He's a UFA next season too.

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I'm so sick and tired of hearing that the Wings need to be "tougher". They still haven't proven themselves to some of you? Physicality doesn't win games. Skill does. We have the right balance, the Wings win games, they avoid big hits, and even with serious injuries the Wings just elevate their play.

As for secondary scoring, I think that we are looking at outdated statistics. At the beginning of the season this would be true, but as of late Hudler, Cleary, Filpulla, and possibly Franzen now are good for chipping in a goal each game. Not each of them, mind you, but someone out of that group is good to score. Our defense is solid, makes the plays, and gels with our offense.

It soudns nice to get a top-4 forward or something big, but this isn't 2002. There is nobody that would be a surefire hit like Robitaille, Hull, or Hasek were. Taking anyone at this point would be a huge risk to the chemistry.

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I'm so sick and tired of hearing that the Wings need to be "tougher". They still haven't proven themselves to some of you? Physicality doesn't win games. Skill does. We have the right balance, the Wings win games, they avoid big hits, and even with serious injuries the Wings just elevate their play.

As for secondary scoring, I think that we are looking at outdated statistics. At the beginning of the season this would be true, but as of late Hudler, Cleary, Filpulla, and possibly Franzen now are good for chipping in a goal each game. Not each of them, mind you, but someone out of that group is good to score. Our defense is solid, makes the plays, and gels with our offense.

It soudns nice to get a top-4 forward or something big, but this isn't 2002. There is nobody that would be a surefire hit like Robitaille, Hull, or Hasek were. Taking anyone at this point would be a huge risk to the chemistry.

Not true.

Physicality in and of itself won't win games, but it's a necessary component over a long playoff run. The ability to withstand physical play from other teams, and better still to subject physical punishment to your opponent over a 7 game series will win you games.

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everyone says we need this or that, but the guy who pulls of the trades isn't saying anything. Does that say anything to the rest of us? The wings know what they need or might need. The tigers gave up the young guys for a champship next year, lets not see the wings do the same. We still have a lot of hockey to go lets see what happens in a few months. Heck by then all the flyers will be suspended and we will win it all on speed.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor...&id=3162893

Ed Jovanovski, Adam Foote, Rob Blake. Big money there, but maybe something could be figured out. Detroit is obviously VERY good, but the questions they have to ask themselves are:

1. Do we have enough secondary scoring?

2. Do we have enough toughness and stamina for a two-month tournament this spring?

3. Should we be bold and look to add both back-end toughness and a top 4 forward?

All organizations have to constantly evaluate their team. Jiri Hudler's ice time has varied wildly this season. At times, he looks like a top 4 forward who can really elevate the Wings; but will he become a consistent, dependable three-zone player for a Cup contender or will he be a tease? Would the Wings look to a team like Pittsburgh with Ryan Malone and do something with Hudler?

It's going to be interesting to see how the Wings manage their team; will they stay put and go with what they have, or try to pull something off? Looking at the Tigers and Marlins' megatrade involving Miguel Cabrera, you know owner Mike Ilitch is always for being bold and going for it. The big difference, of course, is baseball does not have a salary cap and the NHL does.

Thats a move i mentioned a couple weeks ago. I'd be all over a Malone for Hudler swap.

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There is nobody that would be a surefire hit like Robitaille, Hull, or Hasek were. Taking anyone at this point would be a huge risk to the chemistry.

Except none of those three was a deadline pick-up, and that was pre-salary cap.

And I'm not sure Luc qualifies as a "hit" wearing the Winged Wheel. I can remember some healthy scratches, no PP time, and 4th line time. More than "some" actually...

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Except none of those three was a deadline pick-up, and that was pre-salary cap.

And I'm not sure Luc qualifies as a "hit" wearing the Winged Wheel. I can remember some healthy scratches, no PP time, and 4th line time. More than "some" actually...

Luc was good in '02. 30 goals, 50 points. Didn't do a ton in the playoffs with 4 goals and 9 points.

the next year he was pretty terrible and in the doghouse a lot.

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1. Do we have enough secondary scoring?

Yes, I wouldnt mind making an attempt at snagging a true top 6 forward if the price was right and it didnt deprive our future development

2. Do we have enough toughness and stamina for a two-month tournament this spring?

No, Franzen needs to play alot more chippy. throw his weight around. irritate people the way cleary does. Drake is solid come Play off time i see him being a terror.. Downey as much as i love the guy he isnt the answer for our enfrocer woes cant handle the puck is out there to piss folks off, When the game is tight he is more of a liability then anything. If we could, i wouldnt mind getting a couple scrappy guys with alot of heart.

3. Should we be bold and look to add both back-end toughness and a top 4 forward?

Id say look at backend toughness before we look at a top4-6 forward.. Tough hardworking players will be cheaper and easier to come buy, and will help us in the long run.

i want the wings to go after Arron Asham and Daniel Carcillo.. Alternate them with Drake and Downey. :D winnage

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Toughness additions: Erskine and Malone

Skill additions: Comrie and Tarnstrom

Let's get Malone and Comrie, some skill, size and grit. We're pretty set on the back end, don't forget we have Quinceywho came up last year and did a pretty good job. Hopefully we don't have the injury bug on D again. A cheap D pickup for insurance might be Aaron Ward if the B's are out of it. He's a UFA next season too.

Zata-Dats-Homer

Malone-Comrie-Hudler

Franzen-Filpula-Cleary

Maltby-Draper-Kopecky

Downey

Who would do you have in mind to give up? Sammy and second would work for me to get malone but what would we need to move to get comrie?

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Like I was saying. Who was the last DEADLINE pickup who did something for us? I keep flashing back to Wendall Clark. :(

Chelios. Lang was great in the Nashville series.

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I dont want to see huds and flip go, they are are future. It would be stupid if we game those two up. Every year those two get better and better.

If we are going to get rid of anyone make it someone that we know is not going to get mush better, like Sammy.

You can't trade chicken s*** and get chicken salad. The only thing the Wings could get for Sammy would be an player of equal talent.

everyone says we need this or that, but the guy who pulls of the trades isn't saying anything. Does that say anything to the rest of us? The wings know what they need or might need. The tigers gave up the young guys for a champship next year, lets not see the wings do the same. We still have a lot of hockey to go lets see what happens in a few months. Heck by then all the flyers will be suspended and we will win it all on speed.

The guy who pulls off the trades isn't saying anything because A) the deadline isn't near; and B) you don't want to be out there in the press saying how bad you need a 2nd line scorer or extra defenseman because all that does is drive up the price when you try to obtain those type of players.

I think the Tigers had the right idea with their trade. Yes, they gave up a lot, but they got a lot in return. It's extremely tough to build for the future and contend for a championship at the same time. The Tigers would have been in the hunt for the playoffs before the trade, but now they've turned themselves into one of the top 3 teams in all of baseball. The Wings can do the same thing. If trading some youth means getting the players that will bring a Cup to Detroit, I'm all for it.

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