Jackman out with concussion

[Dabura 12,232]

If Murray plans on starting something on Monday in the Wings' building...well, Downey had better be ready.

[BlueMonk 102]

It was an obvious mistake Downey wasn't dressed for the previous St. Louis game. Babs didn't make that mistake Wednesday, and I doubt he'll make it again.

[Dabura 12,232]

I'd also like Mr. Kocur to sit right behind the Blues' bench.

Edited December 28, 2007 by Dabura

[blues_demitra38 11]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

I guess karma IS a biatch.

[thedisappearer 291]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

I guess karma IS a biatch.

He got his ass kicked. But you don't see us whining about it. It's what happens in hockey. Jackman took a few swipes at Hudler after a goal, Franzen broke it up, then finished a check on Jackman. Walker had his boys back later. It' called HOCKEY. Go cry in your shutout.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

I guess karma IS a biatch.

Wow, he dominated a fight against a total non-fighter. Franzen has been in fights about as many times as the Blues have made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Yup, I guess that's karma.

EDIT: spelling

Edited December 28, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[vladdy16 2,154]

Wow, he dominted a fight against a total non-fighter. Franzen has been in fights about as many times as the Blues have made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Yup, I guess that's karma.

Ouch! Even though one has absolutely nothing to do with the other, b_d38 set you up for that one. Nice spike, harold.

Game, set and match.

[J-Swift 0]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

I guess karma IS a biatch.

Just curious, where were you after Wednesday's game?

And how Franzen will ever recover from a couple punches to the back of the head is beyond me.

[Dabura 12,232]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

Just curious: How did your boy Jackman fare against that clean hit from Franzen?

Oh wait, that's right, he turned to the boards like a ***** and has a concussion to show for it.

[vangvace 12]

Questionable board, (for those that like to think the Wings do no wrong when it comes to things like this )but I liked it and have no problem with it. Good for Franzen taking it to him! Nor do i have any problem with Walker going after and punching down Franzen afterwards. Two good plays right there. What i do have somewhat of a problem with though, is Downey not going after Walker in the 3rd. I seen they came together at one point, I dont understand what Downey was thinking there. Im sure as an enforcer himself he completely understood why Walker did what he did, but still...i think you've gotta fight him there anyways, especially in a lopsided decided game. Unless Babcock put the leash on him so he could get more ice time...,i dont know. Either way i was disappointed.

Saving it for next game maybe? Hell sounds like we might get a two-fer next game.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Murray can shut it for all I care.. Mule is a beast and Jackman can't handle it when it comes to someone his size

Awesome article. It basically says that the Blues got their asses kicked, Legace let in some bad goals and they were embarassed in front of the largest home crowd ever. Even though the Wings were playing without their 2 top scorers.

Oh, and hit by Frazen was a dirty hit - just that the refs didn't think so. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I love it.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Questionable board, (for those that like to think the Wings do no wrong when it comes to things like this )but I liked it and have no problem with it. Good for Franzen taking it to him! Nor do i have any problem with Walker going after and punching down Franzen afterwards. Two good plays right there. What i do have somewhat of a problem with though, is Downey not going after Walker in the 3rd. I seen they came together at one point, I dont understand what Downey was thinking there. Im sure as an enforcer himself he completely understood why Walker did what he did, but still...i think you've gotta fight him there anyways, especially in a lopsided decided game. Unless Babcock put the leash on him so he could get more ice time...,i dont know. Either way i was disappointed.

Downey is much smarter than that. He knows that there are times to fight and times not to. If he was just a goon that fought at every opportunity he would have gone the way of Brad Norton. He uses the fights to a) fire-up his team and b) to defend his guys when he feels like they are being taken advantage of. He won't fight if it will fire up the other team at the wrong time unless he has a very good reason to.

I'm not a big advocate for fighting just to fight, that's why I like Aaron. We need an enforcer but a smart enforcer and I think that we found one.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

I guess karma IS a biatch.

Yea, you're right, Walker punded on Frazen's back, Jackman is out with a concussion and the wings embarassed the Blues 5-0 in front of the largest crowd ever in the Blues building.

It IS a *****

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

I guess karma IS a biatch.

How's your boy Jackman doing on the IR? You're right, karma is a *****, which is exactly why jackass is injured now.

[esteef 2,679]

Just curious, where were you after Wednesday's game?

And how Franzen will ever recover from a couple punches to the back of the head is beyond me.

No s***. He shows up after everything is quiet and tries to score a point on the only possibly thing that could be construed as the Blues doing right. Pathetic.

To b_d38:

Franzen is just fine BTW, he took his next shift and finished the game laying even more good hits on your s***ty team.

So thanks for asking,

esteef

Edited December 28, 2007 by esteef

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Maybe Jackman would be concussed if he didn't use his face to stop fists.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

:rotflmao:

You say something, then say the opposite. You funny.

I f-ing loathe Jackman.

[Turkey 0]

I just watched that hit several times and I don't get what the fuss is over. I'm the first one to scream dirty, wings player or no, because I positively hate goon-like dirty play. This was a normal hockey hit. Jackman did a dumb thing and turn his back on an incoming player. There was no elbow. Even the announcers admit that in the video.

Jackman clearly needs to relearn how to take or avoid hits. The first part of that isn't "show them your numbers at the last minute". Franzen did nothing wrong and Walker fought him for no real reason, which is kind of pathetic. If he had run Jackman or somehow crossed the line, I'd expect a fight. What Walker did wasn't payback. It was a temper tantrum.

[BlueMonk 102]

I have no problem with the hit. I also have no problem with what Walker did, sticking up for his teammate. I would want someone on the Wings to do the exact same thing. I also appreciate that Franzen, a non-fighter, dropped the gloves and as a bonus he didn't just turtle. He clearly lost the fight, but he accepted the challenge and that's the main thing.

John Davidson said in a piece I read today that they're not going to pursue disciplinary action through the NHL, that the hit wasn't dirty (although he thought a penalty may have been warranted) and that he didn't want to whine about it. I can respect that.

Non-issue.

Franzen will be somewhat a marked man for next game. The Wings will dress Downey, I'm sure, and there could be some fisticuffs and rough stuff. Cool. I like it that way. The Wings-Blues rivalry is still alive and kicking.

[Turkey 0]

I don't know. I know Jackman was in no shape to fight for himself but I'm not sure the hit deserved any "sticking up for". It's not like Franzen stapled Paul Kariya. I don't have a problem with fighting if it serves to balance an account that needs balancing.

Like Gary Roberts on Eager in that PITT/PHI game a while back. That was a good fight. Eager elbows Laraque and then tries to scamper off the ice so Roberts makes sure he pays. Eager did something kind of questionable. I didn't see Franzen's hit as questionable so I don't see any need to balance things out w/ the fight. Whatever, I'm not really that worked up about it.

[wingslogo19 281]

Just curious, how did your boy Franzen fare against Walker in that scrap?

I guess karma IS a biatch.

Well it was a bad week for Jackass, first he got tuned by a kid who's 19. Then a great hit by the Mule. Maybe you should tell jackass to not be a ***** and turn into the boards..

And that 5-0 win in front of your biggest crowd of the year was SWEET

[edicius 3,269]

The thing is, the hit was only from "behind" because, like you said, Jackman turned towards the boards. The hit itself -- at least as Franzen was planning it about 0.4 seconds before impact -- wasn't questionable; Jackman knew it was coming. He just put himself in a bad position.

Nothing clearer than those screencaps. And that proves the lack of an elbow that I maintained during the game. Any elbow that DID come up with part of the follow-through of the hit (meaning the elbow came up AFTER the hit occurred).

[edicius 3,269]

Franzen will be somewhat a marked man for next game. The Wings will dress Downey, I'm sure, and there could be some fisticuffs and rough stuff. Cool. I like it that way. The Wings-Blues rivalry is still alive and kicking.

Maybe the Blues will sign Noodles to mete out some justice.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Yeah, I was disappointed too. I wouldn't be surprised if Babcock put the leash on him up 5-0, especially if he was afraid of some brawl breaking out. Also, since Franzen is a non-fighter, I would love to have seen Downey go after some puss on their team, like maybe Tkachuk or Ryan Johnson who's always running our goalies.

Yeah Ryan Johnson has had it coming for a while now. I do kinda like the guy though and wouldnt call him a puss, even being a non-fighter he still had the guts to defend a teammate and instigate a fight with Krys Barch. Stuff like that tends to put ya on my good side.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I suppose it's kind of a moot point, but I really don't see boarding on that play. It may look a little questionable from the camera angle on the screen caps I provided, but if you imagine yourself looking at Jackman from Franzen's perspective in the first shot, you'd see Jackman head-on. That he was pushed into the boards in a "dangerous" way (boarding) is 100% Jackman's fault. For being such a "tough" player, he made the classic pansy move of turning away from a shoulder-to-shoulder hit along the boards and showing the checker the number on the back of his jersey.

He was probably hoping he could spin to the right and dodge the hit altogether...which is OK. But he should man-up and admit that, not let his coach cry intent to injure.

Oh, im not making an issue about it...dont get me wrong. I really liked it! I never complain about hits around here. I just threw that part in being that it was a little questionable, and how many Wings fans tend to think our team is squeaky clean.