Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 3, 2008 found a few articles about it http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/7609376 http://forecaster.ca/thescore/hockey/extra...desk-dec31-2007 http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/852553.html one guy said dan cleary was a keeper and had to be resigned ....... Daniel Cleary, W, Red Wings: He found a happy home in Motown, so you think both sides would want to keep this relationship going. Cleary has been a great transition player, helping the Winged Wheel roll from the Steve Yzerman/Brendan Shanahan period to the Henrik Zetterberg/Pavol Datsyuk era. these are guys id personally consider for a trade by the deadline rob blake aaron ward brad stuart michael ryder mats sundin peter forsberg ( yes hes hurt but if he ever decides he can play , and he wont unless he think he can then he is worth the gamble and shouldnt cost much money wise and we wouldnt lose anything) here are other players who might be available ......... sergei fedorov ladislav nagy marian hossa mike comrie martin gelinas bobby holik jean pierre dumont adam foote i doubt dumont fedorov foote and gelinas would be ever traded to us since were in the same division so who would you like us to get by the deadline , or even looking further ahead who would you want here next year ? Only guy i can see who might not cost us too much we might be able to afford and might who might be worth a look is michael ryder , hes still had a few 30 goal seasons and maybe due to his bad season we can get him for 2 yrs at 2.5 per ?? Then again im sure some team will give him a 4 yr deal for similiar numbers since theres always a desperate team any thoughts?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Personally who I would like in the winged wheel most of all is Brian Rolston and Pavol Demitra. Now I know there is no way in hell either of those two will end up here, but Rolston would be a great fit on the second line with Huds and Flip. Then Sammy either moves down a line or out the door (via trade). Rolston is a very underrated player in my opinion. But here are my thoughts on what you posted (not that you probably care lol!): Aaron Ward, didn't the wings try that once already. He is not that good, he does well on the B's team, but Tim Thomas is what saves (punintended) that defense, I have no idea what snapped in him all of the sudden but he looks legit out there and makes huge saves. Foote, past his prime overrated. (keep in mind IMO) Comrie, would love it. Nagy, not sure he would be a good fit style wise, but hard to say when he is playing on such a crappy team. Holik, something deep inside of me screams no, for some reason this wouldn't work. Not sure what though. Hossa, Love the guys talent, I just question his heart and desire. Feds, no, no, and no oh and did I mention no. Ryder, no they already have Sammy. Blake, no, his prime has gone past, 5 years ago I would have been all over this one. Stuart, not a bad d-man, some size, wouldn't mind him, but he wouldn't be my favorite of all time either. Forsberg, I wouldn't wish him upon my worst enemies favorite team. He will demand a high salary, and then miss half of the season! Dumont and Gelinas I am neither here nor there on, I don't think either would make a huge difference but would help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 I forgot all about Forsberg, he's done. I'd love Comrie, Gratton, Ryder or Sundin for a forward. Ward, Foote or Blake would be good for a defenceman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Personally who I would like in the winged wheel most of all is Brian Rolston and Pavol Demitra. Now I know there is no way in hell either of those two will end up here, but Rolston would be a great fit on the second line with Huds and Flip. Then Sammy either moves down a line or out the door (via trade). Rolston is a very underrated player in my opinion. But here are my thoughts on what you posted (not that you probably care lol!): Aaron Ward, didn't the wings try that once already. He is not that good, he does well on the B's team, but Tim Thomas is what saves (punintended) that defense, I have no idea what snapped in him all of the sudden but he looks legit out there and makes huge saves. Foote, past his prime overrated. (keep in mind IMO) Comrie, would love it. Nagy, not sure he would be a good fit style wise, but hard to say when he is playing on such a crappy team. Holik, something deep inside of me screams no, for some reason this wouldn't work. Not sure what though. Hossa, Love the guys talent, I just question his heart and desire. Feds, no, no, and no oh and did I mention no. Ryder, no they already have Sammy. Blake, no, his prime has gone past, 5 years ago I would have been all over this one. Stuart, not a bad d-man, some size, wouldn't mind him, but he wouldn't be my favorite of all time either. Forsberg, I wouldn't wish him upon my worst enemies favorite team. He will demand a high salary, and then miss half of the season! Dumont and Gelinas I am neither here nor there on, I don't think either would make a huge difference but would help. aaron ward was still a kid pretty much when he was here , he won a cup in carolina , he's alot better then when he was here ryder got 2-3 30 goal season on an awful habs team , hes better then samuelsson ... all samuelsson does is shoot pucks to goaltenders chest's forsberg wouldnt demand a high salary since the season is half done , which is why he also wouldnt miss half the season as you stated lol , im talking about getting him for the playoffs IF and only IF he returns , he wont play if hes not ready Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank Dats 'N Homer 81 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) Brian Rolston, or Brian Rolston or maybe even Brian Rolston....... There were rumors of him being unhappy with the team and his role on it a while back, but after seeing them play some good hockey lately he might be singing a different tune. I'd love to see the team make a trade for him. He would be a great addition to our second line, and a good goal scorer to step up if one of our first line guys gets hurt. Im not sure how much longer he has left on his contract, or if there are still rumors of his trade...but man that would be a perfect choice in my book. I would also love Sundin or Modano....i cant see how Modano can be happy with the Dallas orginization after they stole his C away. Wouldnt mind seeing him come home either. With that all said...the possibility of landing any of these players are very low. Edited January 3, 2008 by Hank Dats 'N Homer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 aaron ward was still a kid pretty much when he was here , he won a cup in carolina , he's alot better then when he was here ryder got 2-3 30 goal season on an awful habs team , hes better then samuelsson ... all samuelsson does is shoot pucks to goaltenders chest's forsberg wouldnt demand a high salary since the season is half done , which is why he also wouldnt miss half the season as you stated lol , im talking about getting him for the playoffs IF and only IF he returns , he wont play if hes not ready u forget about when sammy shoots the puck a good 20 feet off target when hes 25 ft from the net and now its a sammy bashing topic, i hope it doesnt become one i like ryder but thats just because i like all the habs, and when one slips such as ryder has i want him to be rejuvinated in d-town Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) Rolston is a UFA at years end, currently making 2.4m, I think he could be had for 2.5-3mil 4 years. Edit: Damn I didn't realize he was 34, make that 3 years. Edited January 3, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 aaron ward was still a kid pretty much when he was here , he won a cup in carolina , he's alot better then when he was here ryder got 2-3 30 goal season on an awful habs team , hes better then samuelsson ... all samuelsson does is shoot pucks to goaltenders chest's What you guys fail to realize is that Sammy as average as he's been offensively is a very good defensive forward which in Bab's system and our style of play is very important. We do lead the league in goals but this team still thinks defence first and uses it as transition to offence. Ryder doesn't even know where his own end of the ice is..he's brutal. And as for whoever mentioned Gratton, gimme a break, the guy is a suitcase, there is a reason he can't stay with the same team for more than 2 years at a time!! HE IS BRUTAL!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swede40 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Brian Campbell would be a nice addition to the 2nd defense paring. Kronvall and Campbell could produce points as a 2nd pairing on the powerplay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) Brian Campbell would be a nice addition to the 2nd defense paring. Kronvall and Campbell could produce points as a 2nd pairing on the powerplay. Campbell, now that I can say is a great idea. This kid is going to be a norris candidate one day, Ok maybe a bit of an overreaction, but he is a damn good dman. Edit for clarity: I know he is 28, but that is still a kid to me!! Edited January 3, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Sundin will re-sign with the Leafs or retire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Campbell would be great asset, but he will demand too much money to get him to Detroit tohugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Campbell already turned down $5 million per from Buffalo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Campbell would be a great addition, but the Wings invested 5 years into Rafalski (who hasn't impressed me much this season), making that deal almost impossible. I would like to see Aaron Ward back in Detroit. I liked the guy when he was here, and he'd be a huge upgrade over Lilja to bring back. Plus, he's a former Wing, and has that going for him as well. Other than that, I would like to see Rolston or Ryder brought in for more secondary scoring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Campbell would be a nice addition, but we already have Lidstrom tied up for 2 more years, Rafalski for 4 years, Kronwall for 4 years, Lebda a few more, Chelios, & a slew of talented kids in GR waiting for a shot in Detroit...IMHO we need to spend the $$$ on guys like Zetterberg, Cleary, & maybe on a UFA forward, or 2 before we start throwing big $$$ @ another Dman. Ditto. I think we'd do better to find a forward for that 2nd-line or perhaps a goalie before running after a Dman... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Campbell would be a great addition, but the Wings invested 5 years into Rafalski (who hasn't impressed me much this season), making that deal almost impossible. Yeah, being second in the league among defense scoring ain't gonna cut it. So what if he has the most d-man goal in Detroit? Tied for the most PP points on the team isn't what we need from him. Shooting at twice the percentage of Nicky? Whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swede40 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Campbell would be a nice addition, but we already have Lidstrom tied up for 2 more years, Rafalski for 4 years, Kronwall for 4 years, Lebda a few more, Chelios, & a slew of talented kids in GR waiting for a shot in Detroit...IMHO we need to spend the $$$ on guys like Zetterberg, Cleary, & maybe on a UFA forward, or 2 before we start throwing big $$$ @ another Dman. That slew of defensemen in Grand Rapids will have a long wait. At best there will be 1 spot open on defense, and that's if the wings chose not to bring Lilja back. I would think if the Wings signed Zetterberg it would be an extention which means he's signed next year and his contract starts in 2009-10. I guess it depends on what they sign the other Free Agents for and I assume that Howard will be backing up Ozzy next season....although he's a RFA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swede40 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Campbell would be a great addition, but the Wings invested 5 years into Rafalski (who hasn't impressed me much this season), making that deal almost impossible. I would like to see Aaron Ward back in Detroit. I liked the guy when he was here, and he'd be a huge upgrade over Lilja to bring back. Plus, he's a former Wing, and has that going for him as well. Other than that, I would like to see Rolston or Ryder brought in for more secondary scoring. Wings have the #1 scoring offense in the league. Flip,Jiri...guys like that can be your secondary scoring. The Wings will make their Free Agents priority #1. I'd like to see them take what's left and replace Lilja with someone like Campbell if it's possible. If Rolston would sign here for 1 year that would be cool but he's up there in age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) nevermind Edited January 4, 2008 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 found a few articles about it http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/7609376 http://forecaster.ca/thescore/hockey/extra...desk-dec31-2007 http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/852553.html one guy said dan cleary was a keeper and had to be resigned ....... Daniel Cleary, W, Red Wings: He found a happy home in Motown, so you think both sides would want to keep this relationship going. Cleary has been a great transition player, helping the Winged Wheel roll from the Steve Yzerman/Brendan Shanahan period to the Henrik Zetterberg/Pavol Datsyuk era. these are guys id personally consider for a trade by the deadline rob blake aaron ward brad stuart michael ryder mats sundin peter forsberg ( yes hes hurt but if he ever decides he can play , and he wont unless he think he can then he is worth the gamble and shouldnt cost much money wise and we wouldnt lose anything) here are other players who might be available ......... sergei fedorov ladislav nagy marian hossa mike comrie martin gelinas bobby holik jean pierre dumont adam foote i doubt dumont fedorov foote and gelinas would be ever traded to us since were in the same division so who would you like us to get by the deadline , or even looking further ahead who would you want here next year ? Only guy i can see who might not cost us too much we might be able to afford and might who might be worth a look is michael ryder , hes still had a few 30 goal seasons and maybe due to his bad season we can get him for 2 yrs at 2.5 per ?? Then again im sure some team will give him a 4 yr deal for similiar numbers since theres always a desperate team any thoughts?? Thanks for posting these articles and who's available. If I were running the team the only guys I'd be interested in would be Foote, Blake and Fedorov. The only problem is only LA is a lock to golfing early. If C-Bus is even close to making the playoffs, they won't deal anyone. And I don't blame them. They've yet to make the postseason and I highly doubt their season ticket base will appreciate pulling the schute if they're only a handful of points out of the race. But I'd love to get Sergei back in this lineup. I'll admit that I wasn't even close to being his biggest fan when he was here, but he'd be ideal for a playoff run. He can play every position and can still back up opposing teams with his speed. He'd be awesome on a 3rd line with Cleary and Drapes. And he'd still look good shuffling between the top 2 lines as well. I'm sure Flip would love to have him on his line. Dats-Zetts-Homer Hudler-Flip-Sergei Cleary-Drapes-Sammy Drake-Franzen-Maltby Not too shabby for some late spring hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 Yeah, being second in the league among defense scoring ain't gonna cut it. So what if he has the most d-man goal in Detroit? Tied for the most PP points on the team isn't what we need from him. Shooting at twice the percentage of Nicky? Whatever. Seriously, if you really watched Red Wings hockey, you'd know that Lidstroms shooting percentage is always skewed because more than half the time he takes a shot, its intentionally wide to make the bounce of the boards play, yet statisticians usually count it as a shot taken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 Seriously, if you really watched Red Wings hockey, you'd know that Lidstroms shooting percentage is always skewed because more than half the time he takes a shot, its intentionally wide to make the bounce of the boards play, yet statisticians usually count it as a shot taken. Couple of things here: 1. Did he pick that up from Cheli or is it me. I don't remember Lids doing that so much until after watching the success that Cheli had with it? 2. Aren't shots only counted if they are going in, like a save, if a goalie stops a puck outside of the crease (like to start up the pp) it is not a save. Aren't shots supposed to be the same way, if you whistle one a mile wide it isn't supposed to be a shot on goal, granted different score keepers in different barns will do it differently, but what is the "standard" set by the league? 3. Ralf is a very very good defenseman, will be the #1 after Lids unless some major trade goes down or one of the prospects has an unbelievable start to their career. (and I do mean not believable) When you compare him (or almost anyone) to Lids you are always going to find faults in their game, that is just a fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingNutt 12 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) I'm in favor for bringing Rolston to the team, great player and probably grew up a Wings fan dreaming of wearing the Winged Wheel one day. Kenny make his and our dream come true. for the right price that is. I am also in favor of bringing Sergei back. I gurantee he would take off and play amazing hockey again on a line with Pavel. I love D-Mac and all but everyone on the forums pretty much says they want Darren back on the Wings but all the same people say Feds is washed up and has nothing left. Well put it this way, Feds is still good enough to be a Starting NHL player and D-Mac can't find a NHL team to take him. So don't say you don't want Fedorov back because of his skills deminishing it is a personal grudge against the guy. Both Fedorov and D-MAc could prove their worth by coming back home to the Wings. Salary on the other hand is a legitimate excuse to not want Feds back, if he ask for too much I say pass on him as well. however if he comes cheap, I am a 100% sign him now supporter. Edited January 4, 2008 by WingNutt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 Seriously, if you really watched Red Wings hockey, you'd know that Lidstroms shooting percentage is always skewed because more than half the time he takes a shot, its intentionally wide to make the bounce of the boards play, yet statisticians usually count it as a shot taken. If it doesn't go in the net or get stopped by the goalie, it is NEVER counted as a shot taken. Even some the goalie stops are not counted as shots; that's what the 'missed shot' statistic is about. A shot that was stopped by the goaltender but was not actually going on net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 I'm in favor for bringing Rolston to the team, great player and probably grew up a Wings fan dreaming of wearing the Winged Wheel one day. Kenny make his and our dream come true. for the right price that is. I am also in favor of bringing Sergei back. I gurantee he would take off and play amazing hockey again on a line with Pavel. I love D-Mac and all but everyone on the forums pretty much says they want Darren back on the Wings but all the same people say Feds is washed up and has nothing left. Well put it this way, Feds is still good enough to be a Starting NHL player and D-Mac can't find a NHL team to take him. So don't say you don't want Fedorov back because of his skills deminishing it is a personal grudge against the guy. Both Fedorov and D-MAc could prove their worth by coming back home to the Wings. Salary on the other hand is a legitimate excuse to not want Feds back, if he ask for too much I say pass on him as well. however if he comes cheap, I am a 100% sign him now supporter. IMO they are both done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
