Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 With the Wings sitting 9 points clear of 2nd place Sens and 17 points clear of their 3 main rivals in the west, would it not be a good idea to call up 2/3 of our prospects? Give them 3 or 4 games straight to see what they have. Maybe call up 2 at a time so as not to hurt the team to much. It could last up to 8 games and unless we lost all 8 which is unlikely, it shouldn't harm our chances of winning the West Conf at all. It will also give Babs the chance to rest some of his senior guys and if it goes well he could repeat it again just before the playoffs begin. I would give Ritola and Oulahen a chance up front and give Ericsson and Kindl a run on the blueline. Although Kindl is having a difficult first pro year I think he could gain alot from 4 games alongside Lids or Cheli. As well as giving all of them an insight of what level they need to reach it will also help the Wings in getting some young players geared up to the systems and also the chance to rest up some key players. We maybe won't have 4 rookies up but I would like to see us give 2 of them a few games. For me Ericsson is one i would bring up, and maybe give a longer run to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 How about we not interrupt a fantastic run with silly experimenting? Bad enough that the ASG is gonna spoil our groove a bit. Resting your players near the end of the season in preparation for the playoffs is smart. Resting them in the middle when the race is still on is arrogant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 i agree we shouldnt call up 4 people for 8 straight games, its just past midway in the season. the only thing i wouldnt mind is to call up ericson or kindl to play so cheli or kronner(injury prone) can rest a game or two while meech is doing his conditioning stunt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 Quincey or Helm otherwise dont mix with the team right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 Quincey or Helm otherwise dont mix with the team right now. Helm needs a full year of AHL more than any prospect IMO, he needs to work on his strength to play at the NHL level but I wish we had Quincey from the start rather than Lebda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 If the prospects you want to call up were good enough, they would be playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 Lebda's okay in my book...Wonder how Quincey would do with Lilja's playing time? Like him or not (not a big fan personally) Lilja leads the team in hits and blocked shots. He has a role and fills it quite well. I'm not sure Quincey could provide those things. On the other hand, Quincey probably wouldn't make the bone-headed plays that Lilja does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 You can't just call up players without having room on the roster to do so, it would take a lot of work and you would also need to consider the cap impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 23 player roster limit. So, who do you want to send down and then lose via waivers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) 23 player roster limit. So, who do you want to send down and then lose via waivers? Exactly. Lets worry about calling guys up when theres an injury. If we want to see what younger players can do lets cut back the minutes of some our front line players and let some of the younger ones already on the team play more. Edited January 10, 2008 by UP2HERE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 10, 2008 you cant send guys up unless theres an injury or were struggling , which were not so theres no point in experimenting on a sidenote ... has anyone been watching any grand rapids games ?? i checked boxscores of some past games and ritola has been getting up some points , anyone notice if hes playing better ? i remember he played well in the pre season and how much our scouts loved his skill so im hoping hes gonna be a top guy one day with axelsson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) With the Wings sitting 9 points clear of 2nd place Sens and 17 points clear of their 3 main rivals in the west, would it not be a good idea to call up 2/3 of our prospects? Give them 3 or 4 games straight to see what they have. Maybe call up 2 at a time so as not to hurt the team to much. It could last up to 8 games and unless we lost all 8 which is unlikely, it shouldn't harm our chances of winning the West Conf at all. It will also give Babs the chance to rest some of his senior guys and if it goes well he could repeat it again just before the playoffs begin. I would give Ritola and Oulahen a chance up front and give Ericsson and Kindl a run on the blueline. Although Kindl is having a difficult first pro year I think he could gain alot from 4 games alongside Lids or Cheli. As well as giving all of them an insight of what level they need to reach it will also help the Wings in getting some young players geared up to the systems and also the chance to rest up some key players. We maybe won't have 4 rookies up but I would like to see us give 2 of them a few games. For me Ericsson is one i would bring up, and maybe give a longer run to. I see where you are going with this. I like the idea of rotating a prospy or two in while keeping the momentum and resting guys a little here and there in the middle of the season. In '02 we rested guys at the end of the season and almost lost to Vancouver in the playoffs before getting our rythym back. I don't know about CBA implications (waivers, etc) that others on this forum have brought up, but I like your idea. If we could send down a 4rth liner, he could have a good influence on the boys in GR. And at the same time whoever gets brought up to get a taste of the big show, will have an adrenaline and psyche boost that may raise their play to the next level. Winning is contagious. I think it could be a good way to bring out the best in everyone. It should be easy enough to tell early on if it is having a negative impact on team chemistry. Again, I don't know the CBA ramifications, if its just as easy as giving them a gas card and an Tony Robbins "Awaken the Giant Within" inspirational cd for the 4 hr dive or what? Edited January 10, 2008 by T.Low Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 on a sidenote ... has anyone been watching any grand rapids games ?? i checked boxscores of some past games and ritola has been getting up some points , anyone notice if hes playing better ? i remember he played well in the pre season and how much our scouts loved his skill so im hoping hes gonna be a top guy one day with axelsson I haven't seen him play, but his stats are not terribly impressive. He has 11pts in 36 games and the points are fairly spread out across those 36 games. I think he has 3 in his last 5 games, but nothing significant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 23 player roster limit. So, who do you want to send down and then lose via waivers? Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Case closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 10, 2008 I haven't seen him play, but his stats are not terribly impressive. He has 11pts in 36 games and the points are fairly spread out across those 36 games. I think he has 3 in his last 5 games, but nothing significant. ya i know he struggled in the beginning but checkin the boxscores he seems to have been picking it up , and he was one of the last players cut in training camp and has alot of skill , maybe hes just better in the nhl surrounded by more talent then the ahl ... lets face it its not like hes got real talented guys to play with ... evan mcgrath has been a bust thus far , and ryno left Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 23 player roster limit. So, who do you want to send down and then lose via waivers? You know there are times when I read people's ideas around here and I wonder if they thought about them before posting. Whether it be trade talks or bringing up prospects, people just don't think about it with logic. Either they don't like a roster player, or they really like a prospect so they want change, but don't think about the ramifications of that change. It is like Phineas Gage, for those of you who don't know who Phineas Gage is, take a general psych class or... He was railroad construction foreman who suffered a traumatic brain injury when a tamping iron accidentally passed through his skull, damaging the frontal lobes of his brain. When your frontal lobe is damaged one of the things that you can't do, or at least Phineas couldn't, is think before you speak, everything he thought he said. Made him a very unpopular person. Gage was fitful, irreverent, indulging at times in the grossest profanity (which was not previously his custom), manifesting but little deference for his fellows, impatient of restraint or advice when it conflicts with his desires, at times pertinaciously obstinate, yet capricious and vacillating, devising many plans of future operations, which are no sooner arranged than they are abandoned in turn for others appearing more feasible. A child in his intellectual capacity and manifestations, he has the animal passions of a strong man. Previous to his injury, although untrained in the schools, he possessed a well-balanced mind, and was looked upon by those who knew him as a shrewd, smart businessman, very energetic and persistent in executing all his plans of operation. In this regard his mind was radically changed, so decidedly that his friends and acquaintances said he was 'no longer Gage. And yes I go on these tangents in face to face conversation too!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomaslupojr 0 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 Why dont we just wait till september 1st then we can expand our rosters.......... oh wait thats baseball, sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 23 player roster limit. So, who do you want to send down and then lose via waivers? but isn't it what you have those "upper body" or "lower body" injuries for? rather than sending guys down you may as well "injure" them and use free spots to put AHL players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 It isn't that easy, you can't just say, Nick has an upper body and will be a scratch tonight, bring some one up. Nick would become a scratch and one of the healthy scratches would have to step in. Or Nick would have to go on IR to free up a roster spot. The 23 man roster includes scratches. The only way to get around that is if a guy is on IR or put through waivers. And I guarantee Cheli. Lids, Ralf, Lilja, Kronwall will not clear waivers!! I believe, some one correct me if I am wrong!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 but isn't it what you have those "upper body" or "lower body" injuries for? rather than sending guys down you may as well "injure" them and use free spots to put AHL players You'd have to put him on IR for that and make him sit a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 Relax wingswillwincup,there will be people on the IR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 You'd have to put him on IR for that and make him sit a week. that's OK I think. bringing guys from AHL for less than a week (so basicaly just 1 or 2 games) doesn't make a lot of sense, either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 but isn't it what you have those "upper body" or "lower body" injuries for? rather than sending guys down you may as well "injure" them and use free spots to put AHL players You're starting to sound like Lou Lamoriello... Anyway... There's no point, really. As Heaton said, you'd have to put someone on IR and even then you'll be counting the salaries of both players (player on IR and the call-up) against the cap. If the Wings do opt to do this (and I wouldn't be surprised to see some "nagging injuries" or "general soreness" among the vets if the Wings keep this pace up), it'll happen post-trade deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 You're starting to sound like Lou Lamoriello... Anyway... There's no point, really. As Heaton said, you'd have to put someone on IR and even then you'll be counting the salaries of both players (player on IR and the call-up) against the cap. If the Wings do opt to do this (and I wouldn't be surprised to see some "nagging injuries" or "general soreness" among the vets if the Wings keep this pace up), it'll happen post-trade deadline. what I actually meant is not about doing some strange things, but just to have some legal way to rest core players and make legit place for pickups. and since those upper/lower body injuries happen to usually occur in the middle of the season and lead to teams picking youth for trial and having rested vets come playoffs... if I recall correctly Wings do tend to have more injuries around December/January... and it's often the same with other teams who have built comfortable Conference/Division lead and can allow to rest players and try their young talent. if I was Babcock I'd definitely do this to check my assets now having comfortable position in the standings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 11, 2008 I haven't seen him play, but his stats are not terribly impressive. He has 11pts in 36 games and the points are fairly spread out across those 36 games. I think he has 3 in his last 5 games, but nothing significant. ya i just checked he got 2 goals 3 assists in the last 10 games , which is alot better then he did at the start of the season , and in 2 of those games grand rapids got shut out ...... and 2 games where they only scored 1 goal so the whole team seems to be having trouble scoring so its easy to see why ritola would struggle as well , its his first year but the team is just not that good upfront , its giving me hope though that ritola although is not picking up a spectacular amount of points at least it seems like hes coming around a bit , i think he will be a redwing one day looking upfront though besides ritola theres darren helm , whos in his first year and is struggling but isnt an offensive player and mcgrath whos in his 2nd year and continues to struggle and who i believe will not be an nhler, ritola is 1 point behind him and ritola is +9 and mcgrath is -2 , and ritola is in his 1st season who's suppose to come to grand rapids next season ??? jan mursak ? the team needs some forwards badly , most of our prospects there are defensemen ...... kindl ericsson quincey and meech and our goalie howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
