Viperar 16 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Reading that it's almost as if Babs was waiting for something like this to happen so he could can Ozzie. Maybe Babs secretly started this thread? Even Osgood knows what his role is on the team this year so it wouldn't surprise me if they quit the rotation. i doubt there is some big conspiracy behind babs pulling ozzie or planning to early, im sure it was more precautionary...i doubt babs was thinking to himself "thank god ozzie is sucking in net, so now i can make hasek the starter again" Goalie Civil War - Check Conspiracies - Check whats next? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Packer487 3 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) I wasn't able to see either of the games in question but I know there's something rotten in Detroit here. Babs doesn't want to commit to Ozzie, so he was waiting for him to have a bad game or two so he could make Hasek the starter. What Ozzie really needs is to be named the starter and to have the organization put its faith in him. Hasek can't win the Cup for us, but Ozzie can. This lack of faith has really messed up his head. I have absolutely no idea what you're basing that on. I suppose I can understand having faith in Ozzie, but why are you so sure Dom can't take this team to the Cup? If they were going to come out and name Osgood the starter, it would've been a LONG time ago--like when Dom wasn't playing lights out hockey. And Ozzie's played well since then, so I'm not sure how you can say it's messed with his head just recently.... Again, Babcock isn't stupid. He's going to pick the guy that gives us the best chance to win the Cup. It's his butt on the line if we start tanking in the playoffs. Edited January 17, 2008 by Packer487 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 i doubt there is some big conspiracy behind babs pulling ozzie or planning to early, im sure it was more precautionary...i doubt babs was thinking to himself "thank god ozzie is sucking in net, so now i can make hasek the starter again" Goalie Civil War - Check Conspiracies - Check whats next? I doubt it too but it sure is convenient for him. But funny how Ozzie doesn't play his best (look at the game though), gets pulled and is now maybe looking at riding the pine 70% of the rest of the season. I just threw a percentage out there, obviously I have no clue what it would be. This is what it was eventually going to come down to so it really doesn't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted January 17, 2008 We should all take a lesson from Karen Newman and support our greatest assets, giving them a boost as needed, especially as they age. You have done something I never thought possible. I now fear the future. Lidstrom retiring will be sad, but not as terrifying as this particular future Red Wings scenario. Some day, it won't be just season ticket sales that are sagging. On topic. Osgood is amazing in that the guy lets the past go in about ten seconds. Bad game - its history that night. Bad couple of games, it doesn't matter, its a new day and a new game. Man, I wish I could handle life like that. It can't be easy, especialy for a NHL goalie, but he has a great attittude. Contrast this to Legace and in my book, Ozzie has proven he can come through any bad time or game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Babcock did say that he may start riding Hasek after Thursday's game against Vancouver. He said he hasn't decided if the rotation will continue. This would really piss me off, Osgood has two bad games and all of a sudden we would ride Dom? I'm all for riding the hot goaltender, but we really didn't ride Ozzy when he was at his hottest this season, we kept alternating hoping Dom would come around, and he did. I really hope this doesn't happen because I think Ozzy can shake it off and regain form and hopefully get more help from the rest of the team. 2 bad games when his team played absolutely horrible defensively. Remember a year ago when Hasek had two 7-8 goal outings? The sky ain't falling, the team is in a slump as a whole. Notice how the Wings are still number one in the league? Think Ottawa didn't have a losing streak or two this season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Babcock is always ambiguous about this goalie stuff. He said the same thing he says after just about every game. People need to chill. Osgood will still get his starts for awhile. Stop reading so much into this crap. And remember, Hasek lost his last game too. The team as a whole is sucking right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 This would really piss me off, Osgood has two bad games and all of a sudden we would ride Dom? I'm all for riding the hot goaltender, but we really didn't ride Ozzy when he was at his hottest this season, we kept alternating hoping Dom would come around, and he did. I really hope this doesn't happen because I think Ozzy can shake it off and regain form and hopefully get more help from the rest of the team. 2 bad games when his team played absolutely horrible defensively. Remember a year ago when Hasek had two 7-8 goal outings? The sky ain't falling, the team is in a slump as a whole. Notice how the Wings are still number one in the league? Think Ottawa didn't have a losing streak or two this season? This isn't a two game slump. In 3 out of his last 7 starts his save percentage has been well-below .900. Meanwhile, Hasek has 1 start (his last one) in the last 10 in which he has been under .900. Instead of complaining, we should be happy that while Dom struggled, Ozzie was hot and while Ozzie is struggling, Dom is playing well. Are we Wings fans or goalie fans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 If Dom's return to form and success in the last month or so has messed with Ozzie's head, then Ozzie's not the person/player I thought he was. << I am joking, before you all throw a fit. Ozzie's a professional, give him some credit. The team has a 'mental' issue over the losses, if anything. They don't need to be down on themselves for a little slip, but as Ozzie said in an article today (which I am too lazy to go look up and link right now), they need to guard against letting this slide go on much longer. True, I have faith they will work it out. In the meanwhile, I haven't noticed any vast Babcockian conspiracy against Ozzie. Babs doesn't like Hudler, best I can tell, but he loves Ozzie. Who doesn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Instead of complaining, we should be happy that while Dom struggled, Ozzie was hot and while Ozzie is struggling, Dom is playing well. Are we Wings fans or goalie fans? Both... but i am a bigger fan of the wings when my fav goalie is playing The team is in a huge slump.... They are playing worse mini mites right... Nothing exciting about their game right now. They need to turn it around or no matter what they are going to lose.... Edited January 17, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Both... but i am a bigger fan of the wings when my fav goalie is playing Lol. Good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Both... but i am a bigger fan of the wings when my fav goalie is playing The team is in a huge slump.... They are playing worse mini mites right... Nothing exciting about their game right now. They need to turn it around or no matter what they are going to lose.... They will, B ! I guess you need these kind of horrible games once every few weeks to remind you you are human and just as easy to fool if you don't pay attention.. hence the 5-1 beating. With the players, goaltenders, coaching staff and management we have now, there's really no reason to think we cannot turn this 'slump' (although a 0-2-1 is not a slump really... the Sabres would be happy with 0-2-1 right now..) around rather quickly.. All will be well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) They will, B ! I guess you need these kind of horrible games once every few weeks to remind you you are human and just as easy to fool if you don't pay attention.. hence the 5-1 beating. With the players, goaltenders, coaching staff and management we have now, there's really no reason to think we cannot turn this 'slump' (although a 0-2-1 is not a slump really... the Sabres would be happy with 0-2-1 right now..) around rather quickly.. All will be well. Yeah i am sure they will I am actually probably one of the few that kinda hopes we get these beat downs closer to the playoffs.... It will be a nice change instead of crusing into the playoffs just to have the other teams step up their game and ours to remain the same (and the outcome is we lose 1st or 2nd round)... A false sense of security being the #1 team going into the playoffs has been our downfall... we need to continue to work at it... winning only breeds content which in turn breeds comfort and the inability to want to keep improving your game. Edited January 17, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Yeah i am sure they will I am actually probably one of the few that kinda hopes we get these beat downs closer to the playoffs.... It will be a nice change instead of crusing into the playoffs just to have the other teams step up their game and ours to remain the same (and the outcome is we lose 1st or 2nd round)... A false sense of security being the #1 team going into the playoffs has been our downfall... we need to continue to work at it... winning only breeds content which in turn breeds comfort and the in ability to want to keep improving your game. verry, verry well said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Packer487 3 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Yeah i am sure they will I am actually probably one of the few that kinda hopes we get these beat downs closer to the playoffs.... It will be a nice change instead of crusing into the playoffs just to have the other teams step up their game and ours to remain the same (and the outcome is we lose 1st or 2nd round)... A false sense of security being the #1 team going into the playoffs has been our downfall... we need to continue to work at it... winning only breeds content which in turn breeds comfort and the inability to want to keep improving your game. Good thing we've got 12 straight division games heading into the post-season then! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larionov_8 12 Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Except not, because it wasn't luck to begin with. It was him being the damn good goalie that he is. Yeah, except I was being a bit sarcastic. Osgood for World Emperor! Seriously though, Osgood's been in the league for a while. He's known to be streaky, but he's got himself this far. He'll be alright! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted January 17, 2008 I have absolutely no idea what you're basing that on. I suppose I can understand having faith in Ozzie, but why are you so sure Dom can't take this team to the Cup? What on earth makes you think he could? First off, he's washed up and brittle. Secondly, his style harms the Wings more than it helps. He's reckless with the puck, does not contribute well to the flow of the game and takes dangerous chances. His flopping about is downright idiotic. The goaltender for a team that is this good defensively doesn't need to make a lot of ridiculous saves, he just needs to take care of all the small things and not give up a lot of rebounds or make boneheaded plays while stickhandling. Even before he was washed up, Hasek was more suited for a bad team that needed him to carry all the weight. And it's easy to tell that Ozzie wants it more. I think Hasek's lost some of his fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted January 17, 2008 Are we Wings fans or goalie fans? I'm not sure if it's scientifcally possible for Wings fans to like any goalie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) His flopping about is downright idiotic. His flopping about won him 6 Vezina trophies in his career. Yes that was then and he is much older now, but his flopping about is HIS method that best suits HIM and gives HIM the best chance to make saves. It might not work for any other goaltender in the league, but it works for HIM. And he's not going to change the way he plays anytime soon just for you or any other fans that might hate Hasek or his style. And he has looked for from washed up these last few games. Edited January 18, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 18, 2008 Babcock is always ambiguous about this goalie stuff. He said the same thing he says after just about every game. People need to chill. Osgood will still get his starts for awhile. Stop reading so much into this crap. And remember, Hasek lost his last game too. The team as a whole is sucking right now. Wonderful perspective gcom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted January 18, 2008 His flopping about won him 6 Vezina trophies in his career. Yes that was then and he is much older now, but his flopping about is HIS method that best suits HIM and gives HIM the best chance to make saves. It might not work for any other goaltender in the league, but it works for HIM. And he's not going to change the way he plays anytime soon just for you or any other fans that might hate Hasek or his style. And he has looked for from washed up these last few games. And if I remember correctly from past cujo/hasek flame wars, you aren't the biggest of hasek fans out there. My point in this thread is simple, maybe instead of bitching about hasek or osgood, we should be happy that at least one goalie has been playing VERY well ALL YEAR LONG. Not many teams can say that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted January 18, 2008 Lets rename this thread has LGW forum changed? Answer to that NO!!!!!! Remember when Hasek had a few bad games and everyone said Hasek was too old and his time was up and Oz should be named supreme chancelor of the world....and then hasek didnt lose a game in regulation for what was it 8 straight........ Yeah cold streaks happen, and the whole team is on one right now not just Ozzie. Ozzie will come around and as long as one of him or Dom is hot when the other isnt it doesn't matter to me that they get cold. Ozzie will get hot again and he and Dom will remain CO-Supreme Chancelors of the world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Packer487 3 Report post Posted January 18, 2008 What on earth makes you think he could? First off, he's washed up and brittle. Secondly, his style harms the Wings more than it helps. He's reckless with the puck, does not contribute well to the flow of the game and takes dangerous chances. His flopping about is downright idiotic. The goaltender for a team that is this good defensively doesn't need to make a lot of ridiculous saves, he just needs to take care of all the small things and not give up a lot of rebounds or make boneheaded plays while stickhandling. Even before he was washed up, Hasek was more suited for a bad team that needed him to carry all the weight. What makes me think he could? He did it 5 years ago and last year darn near backstopped this team to the Finals, where they would've smoked Ottawa (IMO). The hockey gods weren't smiling on us last year...but we went a long way with Dom in net. Washed up: Has averaged giving up less than 1.5 goals a game over the last two months and has stopped like 93% of the shots he's faced. He's arguably been the best goalie in the league over that span. Brittle: Meh. I don't want to jinx anything but he hasn't missed all that much time since he's come back to Detroit. You can criticize his style all you want to. It's only led to a Cup, 6 Vezinas and 2 Harts. I just want to know if he's keeping the puck out of the net. And he is. And it's easy to tell that Ozzie wants it more. I think Hasek's lost some of his fire. Whatever. If Dom's lost some of his fire and he's still this good, it's really damn impressive. This has to be a schtick....right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 18, 2008 And if I remember correctly from past cujo/hasek flame wars, you aren't the biggest of hasek fans out there. My point in this thread is simple, maybe instead of bitching about hasek or osgood, we should be happy that at least one goalie has been playing VERY well ALL YEAR LONG. Not many teams can say that. Was personal stupid s**t in my head that made me shy away from Hasek some, I always knew he was (or is/still is) damned good, but the reasons for not liking him were pretty retarded I think and had nothing to do with his play. That was then though and I hope to think I am a little wiser now. It was just that the ripping on Joseph was just so obnoxious sometimes when he often didn't deserve it, but I am starting to digress... At least one of fthe two has definitely been laying very well all year long, and both are still extremely capable #1's with their play. I wish some could be content with that and not find stupid and bitter personal reasons to not like either of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted January 23, 2008 THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.... WAIT is that a shutout....THE SKY IS IN THE AIR AGAIN OH MAN....A SUPERHERO JUST PUT THE SKY BACK UP... Yeah as I said the other day 2 bad games by the whole team....Ozzie is not out of luck, talent, or wins... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted January 23, 2008 Thank Satan! I preyed and sacrificed a goat for an Osgood shutout last night and it worked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
