LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) ...ok, with the trade deadline coming up, I figured maybe start a thread where we can discuss any and all players insted of the 900 different threads with the guys last name as the topic: "Forsberg" "Fedorov" "Sundin" "Hossa" etc... ...so lets centralize the trade deadline talk into this one thread. Who would you like to see go where, come here or go away. Lets be sensible though, none of the this Sammy/Lilja for Hossa crap, lets be realiztic with our wants and predictions... ...there's no doubt alot of us would like to see Hossa or Sundin here, but what about other options, smaller, less of an impact option? It's time to start looking at the teams that aren't gonna make the playoffs and see who they may be willing to part ways with... ...what will the Kings or the Lightning be giving up to change the direction of their teams? ...on a sidenote, looking at the standings, if the playoffs started today the Hurricanes would be the 3rd seed with 52 points which is less than the 4th-9th positions in the Eastern Conference. I, for one, think that just because you win your division shouldn't mean you get one of the top three seeds. The Rangers wouldn't make the playoffs and they have 3 more points than the Canes... ...on the same token, everyone in the top 8 in the west have more points than the outsiders. Also, Detroit would be the ONLY central division team to make it... Edited January 30, 2008 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) I think after the Ducks game, I say we should actually go a Blake/Foote route, make a run for Foresberg b/c you don't have to give anything up, and in a dream maybe somehow Mac can provide something; another freebee. Also I hear talks of Sens maybe just the fans though about a possible move of Neil, wouldn't mind that. I'd really like to get: Boll, Cic (coyotes guy), or Dustin Brown, but I know none are a possability. Edited January 30, 2008 by ben_usmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) The only thing I really want at the deadline is a big, physical defenseman (Blake, Foote) that can clear the front of the net against teams like Anaheim or San Jose. The big-name forwards rumored like Hossa, Sundin, etc. are world-class players that are going to require a very high price to acquire. In my opinion, adding a forward would be nice, but not necessary. Our secondary scoring has been very productive, from guys like Cleary, Hudler, Filppula, and Franzen at times. It comes down to how much of the future Ken Holland is willing to sacrifice for possibly one playoff-run to get a big-name forward. I do think the Red Wings will make some move at the trade deadline (like always), but I'm not sure it will be as significant as all the rumors flying right now suggest. Edited January 30, 2008 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grind_Lines_#1_Fan 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Great idea to make it just one thread, but I don't see it lasting too long that way...Lets see, I think the Wings could use a D-man that is powerful, how about a guy like Jason Smith, who imo is the most underrated player in the NHL. The only problem is the Flyers are actually having a great season, and will probably make the playoffs. Another guy that I would like to see us get is Hal Gill from Toronto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Of all the rumors floating around the one about Blake coming to Detroit seems to have the strongest legs. I'd like to see him or any other defenseman who can clear the front of the net and break up cycling plays. I don't really think we need offense, but if we can pick someone up for free or cheap, why not? I do NOT want to see Hudler, Filpulla, Franzen, or CLeary going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WindsorWings 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 I agree with those who say we pretty much have enough scoring power and just need some physicality on the blueline and maybe a winger. Yay... 1st post! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elshupacabra 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) I'm suprised there isnt much talk about J.P Dumont, 6' 1" 205LB Right Winger with a $2.5M salary and 42pts on the season seems like a pretty good deal. Nashville might be willing to move him if they can't get him signed by the 26th however its a bit of a long shot. It might be hard to get Nashville to trade him to a team in their division but, stranger things have happend. Wonder what the price would be for a guy like that ? Edited January 30, 2008 by Elshupacabra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 A couple links for the thread. I still think Blake will end up here, Foote if that doesn't happen. TSN's Dirt List And another option, Marek Malik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) If Forsberg returns, HE WILL SIGN WITH THE FLYERS. Please give up any hope of him going to Detroit. IF Forbserg returns, theres talk of Philly trading Knuble, and apparently he would come pretty cheap. I can see Detroit going that route a lot more than I can see them going the Hossa/Sundin/Prospal/Dumont route. If we could get our hands on Knuble, Id lke to see Sammy traded. These are some of the moves that come to mind: To Det: Sundin/Hossa To ATL/TOR: Hudler, Kindl/Ericsson/Quincey, 1st, 2nd/3rd To Det: Blake To LA: 1st rounder + 2 prospects/1 prospect and Quincey/Sammy To Det: Knuble To PHI: Meech, 2nd To Det: Dumont To Nash: 1st rounder, Quincey/Sammy/Abdelkader, 5th rounder To Det: Propsal To CBJ: 1st rounder, Quincey/Sammy/Abdelkader To Det: Foote To CBJ: 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, Quincey To Det: Vrbata To PHX: Quincey, 2nd rounder, 5th rounder To Det: Ryder To MTL: 2nd, Meech/Quincey To Det: Gratton/Lapointe To TBL/Chi: 3rd rounder To Det: Orpik/Gill/Carney To Pit/Tor/Min: 2nd rounder To Det: Fedorov/Afinogenov/Jagr To CBJ/BUF: No clue what their value is right now Another option that I think might be flying under the radar right now is Camalleri. I think they pretty much expect him to book it after this season, and Id heard they might package him with some deadline bait to land a big return. Edited January 30, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 A couple links for the thread. I still think Blake will end up here, Foote if that doesn't happen. Marek Malik Of those listed, I could see Detroit looking at Jagr and Ryder also as options. If Detroit gets Blake, Id like to see them add Ryder to the lineup as well since he could be had for so cheap. Its always nice to have one more guy that can put the puck in the net if you need him to.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) ...here's how it's gonna go down. The Wings will aquire Fedorov/Foote from the Jackets for Hudler/Quincey/2nd rounder. Foote will love it here and convice Forsberg it's ok to sign here. Fedorov takes Hudler's place, Foote bumps Lilja or Lebda to 7th d-man, Forsberg signs and makes Kopecky the 13th forward sharing time with Downey. Drake is there for playoff help if needed... ...that is if they don't land Blake or Sundin... ...out of left field, the Wings could possibly land someone like Jagr or Jokinen. But on a much smaller scale they could go for someone like Glen Murray, Darryl Sydor or Brian Smolinski... Edited January 30, 2008 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 I'm suprised there isnt much talk about J.P Dumont, 6' 1" 205LB Right Winger with a $2.5M salary and 42pts on the season seems like a pretty good deal. Nashville might be willing to move him if they can't get him signed by the 26th however its a bit of a long shot. It might be hard to get Nashville to trade him to a team in their division but, stranger things have happend. Wonder what the price would be for a guy like that ? ...shouldn't be much considering his status at the end of the season if he isn't signed. Even though teams try to get something for upcoming UFA's they cannot expect too much from anyone because they could just wait until July 1 and give him an offer. Then again, if you want him badly enough you could make a great offer in order to get him... ...I don't think Nashville would mind trading Dumont to Detroit as much as Detroit would hate to give them someone with high potential, possibly making the better again. Right now, Nashville blows, last year they were right there with us. One or two of the right players and they could be there again, I don't think Detroit wants to cut their own throat that way. If they are interested in Dumont, they will likely wait until July 1... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 I agree with those who say we pretty much have enough scoring power and just need some physicality on the blueline and maybe a winger. Yay... 1st post! ...Welcome! And you're right, we need physical depth on the line (last season proved that) and a little help with scoring (like someone who could've scored on one of those 5 on 3's,) that is why I can see a combo of Feds/Foote or someone like Murray and Sydor... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lfd250 1 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 I really don't understand why people think we need change. Do we need to get bigger? Well if they can't catch us they can't hit us. On D, if we can keep the young guys from giving up the puck there isn't a reason to bring in another D. Foward, simple. We need our "goal scorers" to step up. Sammy, Huds, Franzen need to start scoring. Cleary is tied for second in goals. If you don't see a problem with this, then you don't know hockey. Also, the coach needs to coach. He needs to say these are our lines, and they need to stay together. There's no chemistry if they have new linemates every game. People might not agree, but I think the Dats-Flips-Cleary line has been the best this year (This is why he's second in scoring) Finally, we need the Wings of the regular season to show up in the playoffs. Sounds simple from my Monday quarterback seat huh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotvm 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Of all the rumors floating around the one about Blake coming to Detroit seems to have the strongest legs. I'd like to see him or any other defenseman who can clear the front of the net and break up cycling plays. I don't really think we need offense, but if we can pick someone up for free or cheap, why not? I do NOT want to see Hudler, Filpulla, Franzen, or CLeary going anywhere. i agree completely. clearing out the front of the net is going to be key so i hope we can address that. but i wouldnt worry about cleary, franzen, or filpulla going anywhere. sadly, as much as i like Huds im starting to think that he might be headed out. i really hope he stays but he seems to be the only roster player of value that we can afford to move. personally id like to see us add blake and any forward that can play like franzen played against the ducks. i thought he was extremely effective on their big forwards. it was a turning point for him in my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Of those listed, I could see Detroit looking at Jagr and Ryder also as options. If Detroit gets Blake, Id like to see them add Ryder to the lineup as well since he could be had for so cheap. Its always nice to have one more guy that can put the puck in the net if you need him to.. What is Jagr's salary like? Kinda seems risky to go after him, but I suppose a change of scenery can do wonders. Big risk big rewards, perhaps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 If Forsberg returns, HE WILL SIGN WITH THE FLYERS. Please give up any hope of him going to Detroit. Hey man I lost Foppa's cell phone number, will you hook me up with it. Anyhow Forsberg going to philly is more likely then some, but take a look at philly and take a look at what Foppa wants. Foppa wants a shot at the cup. The Flyers have a shot but not a very good one. Their goalies are struggling and the starter has averaged (estimate) 3 goals per game. They are struggling as a whole. He stands a real good chance at achieving his goal here. That being said I do not want Forsberg. He is a bit of a risk. I am with you guys on D. I like it. Although I disagree I think some more offensive power would help. I really like J.P. Dumont, and Prospal is incredible. I would like to get enough power so Sammy and Hudler do not have to play much if at all. Keep that greedy ass Feds somewhere else. Oh and a side-note.... Bring back Mac and keep Drake and Downey off the bench and in there street clothes. Some say I am a bit of a dreamer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 I really don't understand why people think we need change. Do we need to get bigger? Well if they can't catch us they can't hit us. On D, if we can keep the young guys from giving up the puck there isn't a reason to bring in another D. Foward, simple. We need our "goal scorers" to step up. Sammy, Huds, Franzen need to start scoring. Cleary is tied for second in goals. If you don't see a problem with this, then you don't know hockey. Also, the coach needs to coach. He needs to say these are our lines, and they need to stay together. There's no chemistry if they have new linemates every game. People might not agree, but I think the Dats-Flips-Cleary line has been the best this year (This is why he's second in scoring) Finally, we need the Wings of the regular season to show up in the playoffs. Sounds simple from my Monday quarterback seat huh. If they can't catch us they can't hit us? How fast of a team do you think Detroit is? We have been owned by people who have hit us in the past. There is absolutely no way to play a hockey game avoiding all sorts of hits thrown your way. As for your "simple" theory to improve our goal scoring, you just want everyone to live up to their potential? Do you know how many teams problems would be solved if all their players scored as much as they could? As for Babcock, don't you worry about him. Hes on the right track to a Jack Adams and hes been very smart to switch lines up. He gave himself options for the playoffs. A top 1st line of Datsyuk-Hank-Homer that has sick chemistry, or a "top" line of Flip-Datsyuk-Cleary for away games when Detroit has the first change and teams target the DZH line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Hey man I lost Foppa's cell phone number, will you hook me up with it. Anyhow Forsberg going to philly is more likely then some, but take a look at philly and take a look at what Foppa wants. Foppa wants a shot at the cup. The Flyers have a shot but not a very good one. Their goalies are struggling and the starter has averaged (estimate) 3 goals per game. They are struggling as a whole. He stands a real good chance at achieving his goal here. That being said I do not want Forsberg. He is a bit of a risk. I am with you guys on D. I like it. Although I disagree I think some more offensive power would help. I really like J.P. Dumont, and Prospal is incredible. I would like to get enough power so Sammy and Hudler do not have to play much if at all. Keep that greedy ass Feds somewhere else. Oh and a side-note.... Bring back Mac and keep Drake and Downey off the bench and in there street clothes. Some say I am a bit of a dreamer. No. Forsberg wants to return to Philly. The Preds had a hell of a lot better of a shot at the cup than Philly did last year, and STILL Forsberg didnt want to be traded. Hes been practically on one on one contact with Philly since the off-season last year, and hes NOT just looking to be a playoff rental. He wants to have a home again, thats his goal, and he wants to sign for more than just a year WITH Philly. This isnt a Rob Blake situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grittzkey 1 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 I say hold still until further notice. None of the named rental players are worth it imo. So ill stick to our current roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 No. Forsberg wants to return to Philly. The Preds had a hell of a lot better of a shot at the cup than Philly did last year, and STILL Forsberg didnt want to be traded. Hes been practically on one on one contact with Philly since the off-season last year, and hes NOT just looking to be a playoff rental. He wants to have a home again, thats his goal, and he wants to sign for more than just a year WITH Philly. This isnt a Rob Blake situation. I am just saying.... You seem to know alot about what he wants, I am just curious as to where your getting your info from. You kind of sound like Eklund, talking about Foppa like your best friends. Although he has been qouted as wanting a shot at the cup, he has not been qouted as to going back to Philly. I am not quite sure what the bolded part means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Forsberg blows. I honestly can't understand why anyone would want a guy that hasn't seen NHL ice in nearly a year, and hasn't had an injury-plauged season in nearly 4. He makes Lindros look like Doug Jarvis in the relm of games played. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 I am just saying.... You seem to know alot about what he wants, I am just curious as to where your getting your info from. You kind of sound like Eklund, talking about Foppa like your best friends. Although he has been qouted as wanting a shot at the cup, he has not been qouted as to going back to Philly. I am not quite sure what the bolded part means. For all we know he could end up with the Ducks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) And another option, Marek Malik Haha, funny you should bring that up. Malik would definitly become the new whipping boy on these forums if he was aquired, even if the Wings only gave up a bag of pucks and a half-eaten sandwhich to get him. He skates like he has anchors tied to his feet, and he's about as mean and nasty as a box of kittens. He's one of the most frustrating players to watch, because he really has no specific role he can play. He just... kinda... exists... Sather is a damn fool if he thinks he can a top 4 defenseman for a guy who's in the pressbox regularly on a team that already has one of the worst defense groups in the league. He might as well take a low draft pick or something, because that's all he's going to get when it's all said and done. Edited January 30, 2008 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Ok, so my proposals are only logical if the players coming only want to go to Detroit. - Sign that Fabian Bruunstrom guy. Good prospect, keep him in sweden. Then go to Toronto and ask about Mats, he agrees to waive the no trade clause. Send them 1st round pick/Hudler/Ericcson/Andersson/Samuelson/Kopecky. Get some swedes give some swedes. - Sign McCarty, he gets 5-8 goals, 7-10 assists and 4 or 5 good scraps in his stint in GR, warranting a contract. - Ask LA about Blake, he'll waive the clause. Send them Meech/2nd/prospect for Blake. Zetteberg-Sundin-Holmstrom Filpula-Datsyuk-Cleary Maltby-Draper-McCarty Drake-Franzen-Downey Lidstrom-Blake Rafalski-Kronwall Chelios-Lebda/Lilja That package for Mats may be large, but it isnt as good as it looks, so it isnt really too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
