Kevin Allen discussion on Wings deadline moves

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

For those concerned, the reason the Blues are looking to trade Jackman is because theyre deep on defense, but more importantly its because Jackman thinks hes worth 4M per year, and in a few words, JD doesnt.

Hah! I wouldn't pay that stupid looking jackass half that much money. He can go play for the Ducks for all I care.

[2probert4 8]

...I agree with the Stuart comment, but Fedorov is well worth a 1st and a prospect, especially if other teams are interested in him, you are gonna have to give up a little more in a bid! BTW if Ottawa lands Fedorov, we're doomed. Hand Ottawa the Cup...

Fedorov wouldnt replace Spezza nor Fisher at center in Ottawa.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

...I agree with the Stuart comment, but Fedorov is well worth a 1st and a prospect, especially if other teams are interested in him, you are gonna have to give up a little more in a bid! BTW if Ottawa lands Fedorov, we're doomed. Hand Ottawa the Cup...

You're forgetting one thing. Ottawa's goaltending sucks ass. You could just as easily hand them a 1st round playoff loss if they play the right team.

[thedisappearer 291]

Fedorov is well worth a 1st and a prospect

Are you on drugs? Put down the crack pipe, throw a few more periods in your posts, and realize Feds is old, hasn't played at a high level in a few years, and not a good fit for the team right now.

[SweWings 45]

Are you on drugs? Put down the crack pipe, throw a few more periods in your posts, and realize Feds is old, hasn't played at a high level in a few years, and not a good fit for the team right now.

Feds would fulfill a depth role in a way that few players can. He can play anywhere on the ice - except goalie, duh! - and do it well. He'd likely end up on the 2nd line in Detroit but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with him there going into the playoffs than some of the players we have. He still has a wicked shot from the point and most importantly he would have no problem putting up points if placed on the 1st line with Dats if injuries force us to. Oh and need I mention, I would go out of my mind if he gets traded to Detroit - completely bonkers!!

[chrisdetroit 189]

Are you on drugs? Put down the crack pipe, throw a few more periods in your posts, and realize Feds is old, hasn't played at a high level in a few years, and not a good fit for the team right now.

Finally, somebody with common sense.

[Guest Agalloch]

f*** the Fedorov supporters. Rather have a traffic cone on the ice over that concussed dick.

What intrigues people so much about a guy that will give you like, thirty points in a full season at this point in his career? Not to mention he's soft and is a ******* ******. Use the cap space towards someone that doesn't suck.

[Airborn 0]

I think some people expect him to come here and be some huge physical presence, but hes really not. That said, he is a gritty Dman and plays with a mean streak. From what Ive seen of him, hes a middle pairing defenseman. Hes got some decent offensive capabilities too. If we brought him in, Id expect him to be a slight upgrade over Markov in all areas of the game: physicality, offense, and defense. But only slightly so..

See, I'd say Markov is a slight upgrade over Stuart (when healthy).

[Dawgs 0]

Id think they would be looking at Federov as a third center. All season long they have been hoping Franzen could be the guy to match up defensively with some of the larger centers in the West and I dont think they are nearly happy with the progress made.

Federov has seen better days. This is true. But he still plays some pretty good defense, has some decent size and can make opposing centers work on the defensive end.

Is he worth a #1 and a prospect? No way and I dont think Holland would give up that much for him. But a straight up for Kopecky or something similar I could see.

I think Sergei for the right price could make a good contribution to a cup run.

[HenryMalredo 2]

Federov would be a solid addition, but its insane to think he's worth a first rounder and/or a top prospect at this point in his career. Anymore than some mid-range picks and solid (but not bluechip) prospect is too much.

[Matt 1,049]

...but Fedorov is well worth a 1st and a prospect...

No, he's not. Not even remotely close. At this point in time I would consider acquiring Fedorov a "fall-back plan" if a better deal/player isn't a good fit price-wise for the Wings.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

After tonight's debacle, and seeing what it would be like potentially without our number two and three defensemen again in the playoffs, it's mandatory the Red Wings trade for some defense at the deadline.

Personally, I would take Brad Stuart in a heartbeat.

[eva unit zero 271]

f*** the Fedorov supporters. Rather have a traffic cone on the ice over that concussed dick.

What intrigues people so much about a guy that will give you like, thirty points in a full season at this point in his career? Not to mention he's soft and is a ******* ******. Use the cap space towards someone that doesn't suck.

Fedorov has 27 points in 46 games, just so you know. That's much closer to 30 points in HALF a season than it is to 30 points in a full season.

Fedorov's average points per game in his last seven years in Detroit: .893, or 73 points in 82 games.

Fedorov's production outside of Detroit before this season: .686, or 56 points in 82 games.

Fedorov's production this season: .587, or 48 points in 82 games.

While he's not posting the numbers he used to, they are still pretty good numbers. Considering that he has played a lot of defense recently and has been playing second and third line with underskilled linemates, it's an exaggeration to say he isn't even close to the same player he was. He's not at the same level...but he's still pretty good.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

See, I'd say Markov is a slight upgrade over Stuart (when healthy).

This would be my impression as well, at least defensively. Stuart has more offensive potential though and on a team like Detroit where offensive defenseman thrive, Stuart could become quite a asset.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

See, I'd say Markov is a slight upgrade over Stuart (when healthy).

Well IMO Markov was a little overrated as a Red Wing. Maybe its because he had a really big hit in one of his first games as a Wing..maybe it was because he played with Lidstrom. Ill give you that Markov might be a slight upgrade over Stuart in terms of defense, but Stuart is for sure an upgrade over Markov offensively. Stuarts got a good shot from the point..

Im interested to see what Stuart can do playing with a guy like Lidstrom.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

For the pro-Brad Stuart camp, according to Spector, there were 3 Wings scouts at the LA-St. Louis game last night, apparently scouting Stuart..

[Lou_Siffer 1]

For the pro-Brad Stuart camp, according to Spector, there were 3 Wings scouts at the LA-St. Louis game last night, apparently scouting Stuart..

Good to hear! He wasnt like -3 or anything was he?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Good to hear! He wasnt like -3 or anything was he?

Ok I just checked and he was -1 in a 4-2 loss to the Blues. But theres not much to make of that, as 10 other Kings were -1 or worse..

Edited February 17, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[Kp-Wings 3]

For the pro-Brad Stuart camp, according to Spector, there were 3 Wings scouts at the LA-St. Louis game last night, apparently scouting Stuart..

Great news! I really want Stuart on the Wings. My avatar is proof of that.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

For the pro-Brad Stuart camp, according to Spector, there were 3 Wings scouts at the LA-St. Louis game last night, apparently scouting Stuart..

Maybe they were scouting Ivanans. .

One can only hope.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Holland made a comment last week that he wasn't looking for rentals; correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Stuart a UFA come July 1st?

Maybe there's plans on a contract extension once the trade is made?

Holland says a lot of things. If a deal is good for your club, then you make it. Just because Stuart is a UFA doesnt mean hes a rental. I think Holland means rentals in terms of guys who just want to win a cup, and then return to their teams or test the market.

Either way, Stuart could definitely fit into Detroits plans long-term..Ideally, if they trade for him then they'll re-sign him, making Lilja expendable..

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Maybe they were scouting Ivanans. .

One can only hope.

If so, Ivanans actually scored

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Ok I just checked and he was -1 in a 4-2 loss to the Blues. But theres not much to make of that, as 10 other Kings were -1 or worse..

Yeah the minus doesnt really matter, i was just hoping he didnt have a bad game. I believe i saw he had 2 assists.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Holland says a lot of things. If a deal is good for your club, then you make it. Just because Stuart is a UFA doesnt mean hes a rental. I think Holland means rentals in terms of guys who just want to win a cup, and then return to their teams or test the market.

Either way, Stuart could definitely fit into Detroits plans long-term..Ideally, if they trade for him then they'll re-sign him, making Lilja expendable..

I'd be pissed if Lilja was moved before Sammy, Kopecky, and Hudler. I'd have to get a new mascot, and since Sammy doesn't drop the gloves, he'd be hard for me to market.

[Dabura 12,232]

Wouldn't mind Stuart.