Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

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"Right now, I've got nothing that's imminent," Burke said Wednesday. "Usually by this time, you've gone past concepts and you're down to names and picks. And I'm not there yet with anybody. So, either I'm slow, or it's a slow development market. The fact that so many of these deadline deals went awry last year has probably calmed things down a bit."

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So, if there were four teams in the running for Hossa, and Burke says he is nowhere imminent, and the Trashers claim one team is in talks with Hossa, the ducks seem to be out of the running.

So there was three? SJ, Wings and Habs?

I really don't see them trading him to the East. Count out the Habs IMO. Maybe Dallas? San Jose and Detroit for sure. I'd say Boston too, but again, they are in the East.

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I really don't see them trading him to the East. Count out the Habs IMO. Maybe Dallas? San Jose and Detroit for sure. I'd say Boston too, but again, they are in the East.

According to sources i have read, forgot where it was, maybe the thrashers forums, contenders were officially listed as being down to

1. Anaheim

2. Wings

3. San Jose

4. Montreal

[Guest Canadian Wings]

I really don't see them trading him to the East. Count out the Habs IMO. Maybe Dallas? San Jose and Detroit for sure. I'd say Boston too, but again, they are in the East.

He'd trade him in the East if its the best deal. As long as its not in the division.

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According to sources i have read, forgot where it was, maybe the thrashers forums, contenders were officially listed as being down to

1. Anaheim

2. Wings

3. San Jose

4. Montreal

How the hell is Anaheim even in this list. They would have to trade away some salary right? Somebody explained it, but I forgot how it would work.

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How the hell is Anaheim even in this list. They would have to trade away some salary right? Somebody explained it, but I forgot how it would work.

I honestly dont know. I could see how they could do Sundin as he wont be signing with the team he is dealt to, but Hossa will be. If you look above though, it looks like Anaheim is actually not in the running by what Burke said, compared to the statements that the thrashers are close to a deal with one of the 4, now 3 i suppose.

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I honestly dont know. I could see how they could do Sundin as he wont be signing with the team he is dealt to, but Hossa will be. If you look above though, it looks like Anaheim is actually not in the running by what Burke said, compared to the statements that the thrashers are close to a deal with one of the 4, now 3 i suppose.

Yeah, I really didn't think that they had a legit shot at Hossa. I say San Jose, Dallas, Detroit.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'd rather have Sundin, but if your only giving up Filpula and Hudler, and your gonna re-sign Hossa, you have to make that move. Hudler and Filpula are career 2nd liners, Hossa is a bonafide top liner.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

You guys make a good point about the similar reputation Datsyuk had before last year. I just question whether Hossa is the kind of player who is going to respond when a team like the Ducks are trying to beat the crap out of him and get him off his game.

Im on the same page with you Monk. This team is already a proven regular season winner, Hossa falls right in that category himself. Im one the guys who believes we need more of a Canadian influence to mix in with our European players to push us all the way, so im not exactly fond of going into next season and beyond with us being locked up with nothing but Euros as our type players. Call me crazy, but i'd rather get Sundin of the two knowing that he would in all likelihood be the rental option.

Sorry, just the way i feel.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Im on the same page with you Monk. This team is already a proven regular season winner, Hossa falls right in that category himself. Im one the guys who believes we need more of a Canadian influence to mix in with our European players to push us all the way, so im not exactly fond of going into next season and beyond with us being locked up with nothing but Euros as our type players. Call me crazy, but i'd rather get Sundin of the two knowing that he would in all likelihood be the rental option.

Sorry, just the way i feel.

I'm with you Lou, you need more Canadians. But if your losing 2 euros, and gaining a better one, it couldnt hurt. Plus, it opens up another roster spot, and with Kopecky definately leaving too, we could get more Canadians (Gratton )

[YoungGuns1340 1]

According to sources i have read, forgot where it was, maybe the thrashers forums, contenders were officially listed as being down to

1. Anaheim

2. Wings

3. San Jose

4. Montreal

Again, what does Anaheim have to offer in the form of forwards who will be able to help Atlanta immediately? Anaheim cant afford to give up forwards, and even if they could, Carter and Ryan would be the candidates. And they arent going to help out Atlanta that much this year.

If they give up a Dman then, it would likely be Beauchemin. And, as I stated earlier, the only way Anaheim has the space to re-sign Hossa is if Niedermayer retires. Now lets assume Anaheim trades Beauchemin for Hossa and Niedermayer retires. They have around 49M in payroll already for next year. Thats with Niedermayer, and without Selanne and Weight. Assuming they replace Selanne and Weight from within (Carter, Ryan), and let Niedermayer go, that still has them at about 43M. Then theyd have to find TWO Dman replacements, re-sign Hiller, and re-sign Perry, ALONG WITH resigning Hossa. For s***s, lets say they land two Dmen on the cheap and Hiller as well, so it only costs them 3M (unlikely). That puts them at 46M. If Hossa wants the reported 7M, that puts them at 53M. Thats WITHOUT still having to sign Perrt, wholl likely cost over 4M easily. That puts them at 57M - 3M over the cap. The scenario would be similar if a forward were sent Atlantas way as wel.

So in short, in order for Anaheim to be able to re-sign Hossa, the following would have to happen:

Nidermayer retiring

Selanne and Weight being replaced with youngsters

Anaheim replacing Niedermayer on the cheap, possibly Beauchemin as well

Hiller signing on the cheap

Perry signing a reasonable contract

Marchant and his ridiculous contract being traded

Once again, Im calling BS on an Anaheim move for Hossa. But then again, maybe Burke will just have Bert, Schneider, and Pronger retire for half a season???

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I'm with you Lou, you need more Canadians. But if your losing 2 euros, and gaining a better one, it couldnt hurt. Plus, it opens up another roster spot, and with Kopecky definately leaving too, we could get more Canadians (Gratton )

I see what you're saying with a 2 for 1 type thing, but my problem is if Hossa were signed to an extension, you are completely eliminated having the chance to acquire any Canadian of consequence. All that forward money will be between Z, Datsyuk, and Hossa. Honestly if were to get him i'd rather have him NOT signed any further, and see how the team does prior to negotiatiing. If we were to give him a bunch of cash to a multi year deal, only to see the team flop early,...i'd be pretty sick about it.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

You know what, just so everyone is clear on this Anaheim bit, ill post the numbers

Nidermayer - 6.75

Pronger - 6.25

Schneider - 5.65

Beauchemin - 1.65

ODonell - 1.25

Huskins - .625

Dipenta - UFA

Bertuzzi - 4

Marchant - 2.5

Neidermayer - 2

Pahlsson - 1.4

Perry - RFA

Getzlaf - 5.35

Kunitz - 3.75

Ryan - 800k

Carter - RFA

Parros - 550k

May - 600k

Moen - 900k

Sutherby - 800

Giguere - 6

Hiller - RFA

Total without Hiller/Perry/Carter/Dipenta = 50.825M

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lol bertuzzi is the second highest paid forward on their team? thats hilarious. I realize perry is coming up to deal time, but still

[Dabura 12,232]

Can't remember if I posted this last night, as I was drunk:

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Can't remember if I posted this last night, as I was drunk:

i think you did, but its a good vid nonetheless. Flip would never do that

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Can't remember if I posted this last night, as I was drunk:

Yeah, that was great!!

[jim3033 1]

Ansar Khan: Hossa looks bleak

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/02/wx...vecoms_own.html

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Hossa already is at $7M for this year. he's definitely gonna look for something near the max. don't get me wrong... the guy is a major talent and he'd help this Cup run immensely. but do we really want to commit a couple years to this guy? what has he done to earn all this?

worst case scenario we get stuck with an untradeable playoff dud earning the max.

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Ansar Khan: Hossa looks bleak

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/02/wx...vecoms_own.html

blahh

guess feds will have to be our scorer pick up now

[sticknmove 0]

"Robert Lang?"

2005-06 DET 72 games 20 goals 42 assists 62 points +17

2006-07 DET 81 games 19 goals 33 assists 52 points +12

Tomas Fleischman

2005-06 WAS 14 0 2 2 -7

2006-07 WAS 29 4 4 8 -6

2007-08 WAS 56 8 16 24 -8

Yes I would go out on a limb and say this trade worked out half decent for us. Look at whats going on right now, some wanting Flip for the future some wanting to trade him. This organization has loads of talent waiting to emerge, you cant sit on it all hoping for the best tomorrow, you have to play to win today as well. So please no more Fleischmann comparisons, he is marginal at BEST

Moving on, as for the Hossa fallout this could be bad for us. Especially when you add on the fact Khan says Sundin looks like a no no as well. One of the two will end up in San Jose or Edm. Which is not good for us for obvious reasons. I wish Holland would pull the trigger here and make a bold move. I know he is fully in control and knows better then me what the right moves are, I just really think that a Hossa or Sundin addition might put us over the top.

Edited February 21, 2008 by sticknmove

[Guest Canadian Wings]

Ansar Khan doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm not saying Hossa's coming to Detroit, because i don't believe that to be the case. But i also wouldn't hold any truth to what he says, everyone is just speculating at this point.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

Ansar Khan: Hossa looks bleak

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/02/wx...vecoms_own.html

He's saying the same things everyone's (everyone who doesn't know what's already been discussed) been saying here. Of course were not going to trade filppula for a rental, who would? HOSSA IS NOT A ******* RENTAL. The numbers are on this thread that he COULD be afforded.

Edit: clarity

Edited February 21, 2008 by CaliWingsNut

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lmao ansar says hossa would be a rental...even he doesn't understand. He says salary isnt possible to handle Hossa....youngguns, go write to ansar with your math

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

"Robert Lang?"

2005-06 DET 72 games 20 goals 42 assists 62 points +17

2006-07 DET 81 games 19 goals 33 assists 52 points +12

Tomas Fleischman

2005-06 WAS 14 0 2 2 -7

2006-07 WAS 29 4 4 8 -6

2007-08 WAS 56 8 16 24 -8

Yes I would go out on a limb and say this trade worked out half decent for us. Look at whats going on right now, some wanting Flip for the future some wanting to trade him. This organization has loads of talent waiting to emerge, you cant sit on it all hoping for the best tomorrow, you have to play to win today as well. So please no more Fleischmann comparisons, he is marginal at BEST

Thank you, Fleischman is a nothing player on a non-playoff team. Lang was very good for us for a year and a half, and did alright last season, scored big goals and ate ALOT of hamburgers.

Edited February 21, 2008 by Detroit # 1 Fan

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well, if there are teams looking to dump salary and Kenny is prepared to eat max contracts...

i wish Kenny would look at Brad Richards instead.