Valtteri Filppula

[up2here 41]

I was browsing on http://www.nhlscap.com/salarynumbers/detroit.htm and noticed something that I had seen before but forgot about. Val is a restricted free agent at the end of this year. Needless to say some team will offer him a contract this offseason if the Wings dont.

Edited March 14, 2008 by UP2HERE

[JayUp88 1]

They better lock him up! otherwise i will be upset...... and there will be a lot of sad smilely icons faces from me.

[Turkey 0]

I thought he was an RFA this year? I think we're worried about loosing him to a mammoth offer sheet, not to free agency.

[IceMunkee 15]

I would like to see him get locked up as well. I really look forward to the future of FLIP

[Nero 20]

I don't see him wanting to go anywhere. Hopefully he'll be resigned.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

It's weird - I had a dream that we re-signed Flip to a 3 year, $4 million deal. That sounds just about perfect, deosn't it?

[FinWing 26]

It's weird - I had a dream that we re-signed Flip to a 3 year, $4 million deal. That sounds just about perfect, deosn't it?

That would be a steal! I'm sure they'll get him signed for a reasonable amount, he doesn't want to go anywhere.

[zata40 3]

Didn't flip decide that's he's not going to sign any contracts until the end of the season? So it sounds like to me, he want to see how much other teams are willing to pay for him, then see if the wings can match that.

I'm sure I read that somewhere, and if that's the case were all just going to have to wait until the end of season to know if we keep him. ( and i'm sure we will )

[awingsincebirth 0]

(Hopefully) If Kenny would have thought that there was a distinct possibilty that he wouldn't be able to come to terms with Flip and that we'd lose him to a Big Fat offer sheet (which I think some teams would be willing to do for him) he would have shopped him around a bit more at the trade deadline.

I know that it is impossible forus to know what kind of deals Kenny had in the works, but the fact remains that on TradeCentral on TSN, Kenny said he would only be making small moves, which is exactly what he ended up doing. I think that the whole Hossa deal was just a pipe dream cooked up by us LGW fans. Going by my theory, and assuming that Kenny wasn't in the running for any huge names, Flip's name would have never come up.

For this reason, I think we're pretty safe. I wouldn't have had too much of a problem with trading him for the right player. But because we didn't trade him, when he could have fetched a nice return in a solid package, I'm quite confident that Kenny knows we can sign him before July 1st and thus risk losing him for nothing at all.

[up2here 41]

(Hopefully) If Kenny would have thought that there was a distinct possibilty that he wouldn't be able to come to terms with Flip and that we'd lose him to a Big Fat offer sheet (which I think some teams would be willing to do for him) he would have shopped him around a bit more at the trade deadline.

I know that it is impossible forus to know what kind of deals Kenny had in the works, but the fact remains that on TradeCentral on TSN, Kenny said he would only be making small moves, which is exactly what he ended up doing. I think that the whole Hossa deal was just a pipe dream cooked up by us LGW fans. Going by my theory, and assuming that Kenny wasn't in the running for any huge names, Flip's name would have never come up.

For this reason, I think we're pretty safe. I wouldn't have had too much of a problem with trading him for the right player. But because we didn't trade him, when he could have fetched a nice return in a solid package, I'm quite confident that Kenny knows we can sign him before July 1st and thus risk losing him for nothing at all.

We wont lose him for nothing,I beleive compensation is a first round pick but maybe someone can confirm that.

[betterREDthandead 58]

(Hopefully) If Kenny would have thought that there was a distinct possibilty that he wouldn't be able to come to terms with Flip and that we'd lose him to a Big Fat offer sheet (which I think some teams would be willing to do for him) he would have shopped him around a bit more at the trade deadline.

I know that it is impossible forus to know what kind of deals Kenny had in the works, but the fact remains that on TradeCentral on TSN, Kenny said he would only be making small moves, which is exactly what he ended up doing. I think that the whole Hossa deal was just a pipe dream cooked up by us LGW fans. Going by my theory, and assuming that Kenny wasn't in the running for any huge names, Flip's name would have never come up.

For this reason, I think we're pretty safe. I wouldn't have had too much of a problem with trading him for the right player. But because we didn't trade him, when he could have fetched a nice return in a solid package, I'm quite confident that Kenny knows we can sign him before July 1st and thus risk losing him for nothing at all.

I don't think Kenny "knows" he can do anything. Nothing's a given. But the Wings are a first-class organization and rarely seem to have any trouble keeping the players they want to keep. Says a lot about the way the organization conducts business. I'm extremely confident the Wings will lock up Flip the same way they've held on to Cleary, Kronwall, Datsyuk, etc.

[awingsincebirth 0]

We wont lose him for nothing,I beleive compensation is a first round pick but maybe someone can confirm that.

That's true, the draft pick compensation had completely slipped my mind. My bad.

[awingsincebirth 0]

I don't think Kenny "knows" he can do anything. Nothing's a given. But the Wings are a first-class organization and rarely seem to have any trouble keeping the players they want to keep. Says a lot about the way the organization conducts business. I'm extremely confident the Wings will lock up Flip the same way they've held on to Cleary, Kronwall, Datsyuk, etc.

Ya, I guess that is more or less what I'm trying to say. Perhaps it would have been better had I said: "Kenny is confident that he can resign Flip before he becomes and RFA".

Because, no, nothing is ever certain in this game.

[irishtemper14+25 11]

on an offer sheet, can a person reject it and sign for less with his team...cuz thats what i hope happens when someone tries to overpay him which i dont want to happen anyway so lock him up soon ken

[Nev 1,085]

on an offer sheet, can a person reject it and sign for less with his team...

As long as its not a ridiculous difference (in which case the NHLPA might have something to say) I don't see why not.

I could see a team like Toronto trying to offload some of their $$$ veterans on Detroit if they offer him more than we can afford.

[WhiteLightning91 105]

$4M for Filppula? Lay off the crack pipe people. If that were to happen, it better be a very long-term deal; like Ovechkin long-term. I will be fuming if he gets that kind of a deal. Hell, if he signs a deal for more than Cleary got I'll be fuming. Not so much because he doesn't deserve it, but because you have just set a precedent for people like Franzen, Hudler, and Samuelsson, all of whom have the ability to produce similar numbers to what Flip has. A $4M deal for a guy who has 2 seasons in the league and 54 points in 148 games. Zetterberg had 87 in 140 when he signed his 4-year contract worth $2.65M. No way in hell Filppula gets more than that unless it is a ridiculously long contract, which Holland does not do.

5-year deal for $3M. Even that is pushing it for me, since it is more than Cleary. Filppula's deal will be very telling of what is going to happen with Hudler as well.

Take the draft picks if someone is stupid enough to overpay for a guy who hasn't proven he is worthy of more just yet.

[Bannedforlife 403]

$4M for Filppula? Lay off the crack pipe people. If that were to happen, it better be a very long-term deal; like Ovechkin long-term. I will be fuming if he gets that kind of a deal. Hell, if he signs a deal for more than Cleary got I'll be fuming. Not so much because he doesn't deserve it, but because you have just set a precedent for people like Franzen, Hudler, and Samuelsson, all of whom have the ability to produce similar numbers to what Flip has. A $4M deal for a guy who has 2 seasons in the league and 54 points in 148 games. Zetterberg had 87 in 140 when he signed his 4-year contract worth $2.65M. No way in hell Filppula gets more than that unless it is a ridiculously long contract, which Holland does not do.

5-year deal for $3M. Even that is pushing it for me, since it is more than Cleary. Filppula's deal will be very telling of what is going to happen with Hudler as well.

Take the draft picks if someone is stupid enough to overpay for a guy who hasn't proven he is worthy of more just yet.

I think they meant $4 million total for 3 years, $1.33 million per

[SweWings 45]

I think they meant $4 million total for 3 years, $1.33 million per

$1.33 million per year is much more reasonable than $4 million but I think it's likely he'll get a bit more than that. Not as much at Z mind but still a bit more than $1.33 million.

[WhiteLightning91 105]

I think they meant $4 million total for 3 years, $1.33 million per

$1.33 million per year is much more reasonable than $4 million but I think it's likely he'll get a bit more than that. Not as much at Z mind but still a bit more than $1.33 million.

:thumbup:

My apologies then. Completely misunderstood the post.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Well Flip isn't doing himself anyharm with his overall performance so far. He has moved up into

the top 10 in the +- for forwards, and now only 1 shy of a 20 goal season. He looks much more

stronger going into the corners these days, and is starting to come out more often than not with

the puck. I really like the way he has progressed these past 2 years, and he will be more valuable

than Cleary in the next year or 2, so it will be interesting to see what Kenny offers him. Huds has a

$1.015m contract until the end of next year, I would say Flip would want parity at least with him.

My concern is we have $39.5m locked up already in next years budget, we won't be making any

major new signings in the off season unless we offload already signed players.

Drake Downey Lilja Stuart Cheli Hasek and Hartigan are all UFA's and have a combined payroll of

$8.975m at present.

With Flip we also have Helm Howard Ericsson and Quincey who will be RFA's and they have a combined

payroll of $3.675m at present.

Toatl $52.15m. has the cap for next year been set yet? So yes I say we need to lock up Flip, but who will

we be saying adios to?

[Winther 6]

Well Flip isn't doing himself anyharm with his overall performance so far. He has moved up into

the top 10 in the +- for forwards, and now only 1 shy of a 20 goal season. He looks much more

stronger going into the corners these days, and is starting to come out more often than not with

the puck. I really like the way he has progressed these past 2 years, and he will be more valuable

than Cleary in the next year or 2, so it will be interesting to see what Kenny offers him. Huds has a

$1.015m contract until the end of next year, I would say Flip would want parity at least with him.

My concern is we have $39.5m locked up already in next years budget, we won't be making any

major new signings in the off season unless we offload already signed players.

Drake Downey Lilja Stuart Cheli Hasek and Hartigan are all UFA's and have a combined payroll of

$8.975m at present.

With Flip we also have Helm Howard Ericsson and Quincey who will be RFA's and they have a combined

payroll of $3.675m at present.

Toatl $52.15m. has the cap for next year been set yet? So yes I say we need to lock up Flip, but who will

we be saying adios to?

Well i guess atleast one of lilja, stuart or quincey will be gone for next season (hopefully we'll resign stuart and let go of lilja imo), and hasek eats up 4 of those 8.975m (i think?). He will either retire, or atleast take a paycut, aint getting better with age ya know. Also, if drake stays (doubtful) you wont need helm with the big club, i guess his paycheck wont count against the cap if he is with grand rapids, and otherwise you have a little bit more money freed up if drake goes..

I dont think there will be cap issues, seems kenny has his numbers pretty figured out..

[Grittzkey 1]

Get the 1st round pick.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

You guys are on CRACK if you think Flip is going to get an offer sheet. First of all, teams dont go after small skill guys who can barely notch 40 points on the season. They go after players for TWO reasons.

1) A player has shown that he can be either a franchise player, or a damn good top liner: Thomas Vanek and Henrik Lundqvist are good examples of this, even though although a few teams were poised to throw an offer sheet Lundqvists way, he told his agent not to accept any because he only wanted to sign with the rags.

2) A player has shown that they can be a good player and still has lots of potential AND the team that player is currently on doesn't have the cap space to compete with a big offer: Dustin Penner.

Filppula is neither of these things. Not even close. The Wings will have plenty of cap space to sign Filppula, and he's not so good that any team would offer something ridiculous like a 4.5-5M contract for him. If a team were to offer Filppula something like 3-3.5M, it would be far from the end of the world if Detroit had to match that offer, and if some team is so desperate that they want to offer Filppula a ridiculous offer, then that first rounder that they owe us is likely going to be a pretty high pick.

I think you guys are overrating Flip just a bit when guys like Jay Bouwmeester, Corey Perry, Andrei Kostitsyn, MAF, and Mike Green could be had over him. If any team is going to go after a young forward with decent offense and good defense, itll likely be Vermette before Filppula..

Edited March 14, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[FinRedWing 172]

Didn't flip decide that's he's not going to sign any contracts until the end of the season? So it sounds like to me, he want to see how much other teams are willing to pay for him, then see if the wings can match that.

I'm sure I read that somewhere, and if that's the case were all just going to have to wait until the end of season to know if we keep him. ( and i'm sure we will )

Yeah,he has said so.

But NOT because he wants to see how much he can get.

Valtteri means that there's no hurry,he has agreed with Kenny that they'll start negotiating after the season.

And that's a direct quote I read from a Finnish newspaper two weeks ago.

Lock him up, 1.5 - 2.0M a year sounds good.

[chrisdetroit 189]

$4M for Filppula? Lay off the crack pipe people. If that were to happen, it better be a very long-term deal; like Ovechkin long-term. I will be fuming if he gets that kind of a deal. Hell, if he signs a deal for more than Cleary got I'll be fuming. Not so much because he doesn't deserve it, but because you have just set a precedent for people like Franzen, Hudler, and Samuelsson, all of whom have the ability to produce similar numbers to what Flip has. A $4M deal for a guy who has 2 seasons in the league and 54 points in 148 games. Zetterberg had 87 in 140 when he signed his 4-year contract worth $2.65M. No way in hell Filppula gets more than that unless it is a ridiculously long contract, which Holland does not do.

5-year deal for $3M. Even that is pushing it for me, since it is more than Cleary. Filppula's deal will be very telling of what is going to happen with Hudler as well.

Take the draft picks if someone is stupid enough to overpay for a guy who hasn't proven he is worthy of more just yet.

I'm a big Filpulla fan but I'm with you. $4M per year is to much for him. $2-2.5 is the max that i think he'll get. If somebody offers $4M, I think we have to take that match. I would hate it but at some point you have to make that decision.