3/16 GDT: Blue Jackets 4, Red Wings 3

[Z and D for the C 712]

If you think Ozzie would have posted a shutout you're a tool and a ******* idiot. The only goal that looks questionable was the second but I couldn't even see what went on in the highlights, so who knows. I'm not saying those goals were amazing plays and he had no chance, he did, but I doubt Ozzie would have done much better.

I love how this boards forgets Ozzie's trash goals he let in yesterday. If it was Hasek who f***ed up that play behind the net people would have been furious. And Hasek WOULD have stopped the first goal. We've seen him do it time and time again. (pads stack)

Osgood hasn't won a game for us or kept us in one for a good while. I don't think Hasek's done so once this year.

Remember Ottowa? Obviously not.

The double standards here are amazing.

If we lose 2 games in a row in the 1st round, there will absolutely be a switch. With slightly less certainy I'd say the same of the second round. After that it'll most likely be locked in. When you have two goalies that are more than capable of starting in the playoffs, it's a lot easier to switch things up then the Legace year when Osgood was injured half the time and in Babcock's doghouse a bit, and furthermore, then Osgood got injured in practice in the playoffs. I don't think for a second that we'll lose two games in a row at least in the first round without a switch.

Yeah because no matter what, any loss with Dom in net is Hasek's fault. We can see it in the future for sure. It's not that the red wings were 10-8 last playoffs, it's that dom was 0-8 and the rest of the team was 10-0.

Edited March 16, 2008 by Z and D for the C

[dallas27 7]

That's the difference for me though. Early in the season when Hasek was injured, Osgood was rising above mediocre to horrible play by the skaters and stealing games and keeping us in games we shouldn't have been in. He rose above the play of the team and carried us and he did so consistently until the second half. Granted, he hasn't had the consistency of starts that he had the first half, none the less, he has not played at the same level. You can blame it on not starting as much, sure, but the bottom line is he's not rising above the level of the team like earlier in the season. I agree that you can't hang him out for target practice for many of the games recently, but again, I'm sick of excuses about our goaltenders. Osgood hasn't won a game for us or kept us in one for a good while. I don't think Hasek's done so once this year. That's not going to cut it in the playoffs.

Again I'm going to have to politely disagree but also agree. Disagree because you can't compare their play in the month of Feb. to anything. That was just pathetic hockey. But I agree where none have really risen to the occasion proving that hey, you should be starting me in the playoffs. I've made this argument before, Hasek is getting the nod because his name is Hasek and everything that is associated with it. It's not a bad thing though, really, he's one of the best to ever put the pads on.

And be careful saying you don't think Hasek's done so once this year. You just unleashed an evil known as Hasek lovers. Good luck with that. I'd say I have your back but I don't know if I can put myself in that kind of danger haha.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Well, if there's any silver lining, its that holy crap Franzen has been hot. He picked the right time of the year to find his game.

He sure did. YEAH MULE!!

[Guest octopusdank]

If we lose 2 games in a row in the 1st round, there will absolutely be a switch. With slightly less certainy I'd say the same of the second round. After that it'll most likely be locked in. When you have two goalies that are more than capable of starting in the playoffs, it's a lot easier to switch things up then the Legace year when Osgood was injured half the time and in Babcock's doghouse a bit, and furthermore, then Osgood got injured in practice in the playoffs. I don't think for a second that we'll lose two games in a row at least in the first round without a switch.

thank you

[dallas27 7]

If you think Ozzie would have posted a shutout you're a tool and a ******* idiot. The only goal that looks questionable was the second but I couldn't even see what went on in the highlights, so who knows. I'm not saying those goals were amazing plays and he had no chance, he did, but I doubt Ozzie would have done much better.

I love how this boards forgets Ozzie's trash goals he let in yesterday. If it was Hasek who f***ed up that play behind the net people would have been furious. And Hasek WOULD have stopped the first goal. We've seen him do it time and time again. (pads stack)

"Osgood hasn't won a game for us or kept us in one for a good while. I don't think Hasek's done so once this year." Remember Ottowa?

The double standards here are amazing.

Nobody is saying that. Did he manage a 1.0 sv% though? I think the answer lies within the stat sheet. And how do you know Osgood would have not done much better? And how do you know for a FACT that Hasek stops that first one? Do you have a crystal ball (that's what she said)? What are the winning numbers for the mega millions?

Hasek lovers here are amazing too. He can't ever do anything wrong. EVER. So stop your bitching about double standards. It's old news. Everyone is going to forget about the goals Hasek let in this game when the next game rolls around. Because there will be something else to ***** about.

Edited March 16, 2008 by dallas27

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

If you think Ozzie would have posted a shutout you're a tool and a ******* idiot. The only goal that looks questionable was the second but I couldn't even see what went on in the highlights, so who knows. I'm not saying those goals were amazing plays and he had no chance, he did, but I doubt Ozzie would have done much better.

I love how this boards forgets Ozzie's trash goals he let in yesterday. If it was Hasek who f***ed up that play behind the net people would have been furious. And Hasek WOULD have stopped the first goal. We've seen him do it time and time again. (pads stack)

"Osgood hasn't won a game for us or kept us in one for a good while. I don't think Hasek's done so once this year." Remember Ottowa?

The double standards here are amazing.

Do you think your profanity & insults make your posts anymore right than anyone else? Because that's what i'm getting from you.

First off, Ozzie was in no way trash yesterday. Were you watching the game? Since when was allowing TWO goals on 26 shots and a .923 save percentage bad? The second goal was a miscommunication between him and Kronwall.

There are no double standards here. At least the Ozzie fans will ADMIT when he has a bad game, or when he should of made a stop on some of the goals he let in.

Edited March 16, 2008 by HockeyCrazy3033

[gcom007 1,465]

Again I'm going to have to politely disagree but also agree. Disagree because you can't compare their play in the month of Feb. to anything. That was just pathetic hockey. But I agree where none have really risen to the occasion proving that hey, you should be starting me in the playoffs. I've made this argument before, Hasek is getting the nod because his name is Hasek and everything that is associated with it. It's not a bad thing though, really, he's one of the best to ever put the pads on.

And be careful saying you don't think Hasek's done so once this year. You just unleashed an evil known as Hasek lovers. Good luck with that. I'd say I have your back but I don't know if I can put myself in that kind of danger haha.

They don't intimidate me! Neither side tends to have much success arguing with me because I'm one of the few that enjoys the goalie discussions who isn't blindly allegiant to one side. I'm blindly allegiant to logic and winning, that's about it.

Generally speaking I do pretty much agree with you. Though it sounds like I'm trashing our goalies for last month, I'm not really. I get the issue. I'm more trying to raise the discussion past "getting by" to discussing what it actually takes to succeed in the playoffs. I find both sides of the goalie debate still seem to be reliant on many of the first half arguments that back in November/December were supposed to be unnecessary now because everything would be settled and rosy. I still sense a lot of uncertainty and I definitely smell no hint of roses. Again, not saying either has sucked but sans Osgood's first half which we're well past now, neither goalie has been consistently excellent. Make all the excuses you want and cite all the single games. Fine. It don't matter in the playoffs homies...

Once more, sans Osgood's first half, neither goalie has been consistently EXCELLENT and in the playoffs, that's going to be something we need unless we figure out how to consistently score 6 goals a game.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

They don't intimidate me! Neither side tends to have much success arguing with me because I'm one of the few that enjoys the goalie discussions who isn't blindly allegiant to one side. I'm blindly allegiant to logic and winning, that's about it.

Generally speaking I do pretty much agree with you. Though it sounds like I'm trashing our goalies for last month, I'm not really. I get the issue. I'm more trying to raise the discussion past "getting by" to discussing what it actually takes to succeed in the playoffs. I find both sides of the goalie debate still seem to be reliant on many of the first half arguments that back in November/December were supposed to be unnecessary now because everything would be settled and rosy. I still sense a lot of uncertainty and I definitely smell no hint of roses. Again, not saying either has sucked but sans Osgood's first half which we're well past now, neither goalie has been consistently excellent. Make all the excuses you want and cite all the single games. Fine. It don't matter in the playoffs homies...

Once more, sans Osgood's first half, neither goalie has been consistently EXCELLENT and in the playoffs, that's going to be something we need unless we figure out how to consistently score 6 goals a game.

I think you're right on the money there.

Ozzy was great today, but if the names on the back of the jersey were "Goalie 1" and "Goalie A" instead of Hasek and Osgood (and the baggage that comes with each), I'd say neither goalie has played exceptionally better than the other to clear and away deserve the starting playoff job.

And as for the alleged Hasek bias people whine about, if people here are easier on Ozzy, it's only because after 13+ seasons they're finally running out of insults.

[gcom007 1,465]

Yeah because no matter what, any loss with Dom in net is Hasek's fault. We can see it in the future for sure. It's not that the red wings were 10-8 last playoffs, it's that dom was 0-8 and the rest of the team was 10-0.

If you actually read what I said, it's quite clear that I said no matter who starts in the playoffs, Osgood or Hasek, if we lose 2 in a row in the first round or two, I think there will be a switch. It's not about the name on the back of the jersey as I also clearly said because they're both fully capable of starting and that's what makes the switch possible in an effort to shake things up and get things going. It's a card Babcock has in his deck and I do believe he'll be open to using it should things get rough. The only reason it's more leaned towards Hasek is b/c barring a complete meltdown and Osgood shutout streak, he's likely the one who's starting. If we were assuming Osgood was starting based on management comments, my point would've been slanted towards him.

Get off the Hasek juice and stop relying on "everyone hates Hasek" for the meat of your arguments. It's just absurd and a complete disgrace to rational discussion.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

They don't intimidate me! Neither side tends to have much success arguing with me because I'm one of the few that enjoys the goalie discussions who isn't blindly allegiant to one side. I'm blindly allegiant to logic and winning, that's about it.

That's the way it should be. We all have our faves, but when it comes down to it winning is the most important thing.

[gcom007 1,465]

Do you think your profanity & insults make your posts anymore right than anyone else? Because that's what i'm getting from you.

First off, Ozzie was in no way trash yesterday. Were you watching the game? Since when was allowing TWO goals on 26 shots and a .923 save percentage bad? The second goal was a miscommunication between him and Kronwall.

There are no double standards here. At least the Ozzie fans will ADMIT when he has a bad game, or when he should of made a stop on some of the goals he let in.

Furthermore, most of his comments appear directed at me and I think it's quite clear that I am not leaning towards either goalie whatsoever at this point.

But watch out, you obviously just want to hate on Hasek if you think Osgood's play these last two games was better than Hasek's .600 Sv.% today. There's no room for any rational opinions here even if they're completely logical. Some people need to learn that observing and accepting the reality does not equate to blind, subjective hatred. Again, win with a .923 and a 1.000 today vs. a loss and a .600 with 4 goals on 10 shots. I mean, come on, no one's demanding Hasek be thrown off the end of the earth here. People just need to get a grip...

[dallas27 7]

They don't intimidate me! Neither side tends to have much success arguing with me because I'm one of the few that enjoys the goalie discussions who isn't blindly allegiant to one side. I'm blindly allegiant to logic and winning, that's about it.

Generally speaking I do pretty much agree with you. Though it sounds like I'm trashing our goalies for last month, I'm not really. I get the issue. I'm more trying to raise the discussion past "getting by" to discussing what it actually takes to succeed in the playoffs. I find both sides of the goalie debate still seem to be reliant on many of the first half arguments that back in November/December were supposed to be unnecessary now because everything would be settled and rosy. I still sense a lot of uncertainty and I definitely smell no hint of roses. Again, not saying either has sucked but sans Osgood's first half which we're well past now, neither goalie has been consistently excellent. Make all the excuses you want and cite all the single games. Fine. It don't matter in the playoffs homies...

Once more, sans Osgood's first half, neither goalie has been consistently EXCELLENT and in the playoffs, that's going to be something we need unless we figure out how to consistently score 6 goals a game.

Goalie discussions with people who aren't blindly allegiant to one side? That's impossible at letsgowings.com

Same here. In a perfect world one of them, more so Hasek as we know he is the starter, catches fire so they can ride a hot goalie into the playoffs. Especially if Detroit/Vancouver pan out for the first round. Luongo is bound to play out of his mind, so one of the Wings goalies (Hasek) are going to need to do the same thing if they want to win.

Edited March 16, 2008 by dallas27

[wings_fanatic 677]

Im not gonna lie, I'm a Dom fan, so I'm a little biased. This was one of those games that just... seemed to all go against Dom. That first goal was all on Dom, and I can tell you, he wants that back, because 99% of the time he will save that. The third goal, from my view, was deflected off of a skate, into the air and knocked into the other side of the net with a high stick; Dom had NO chance there. My point is, it just seemed liek nothing was in Dom's favor today... but one bad game should not mean everyone writes 10 pages about hating Hasek, or any goalie for that matter. I remember in November when Dom was going through his couple of bad games, everyone began hating him and said that he sucks and etc. Guess what he came back and has played pretty damn good hockey for us since that, so one bad game here should not mean we hate him. Babs is starting Dom wednesday against Columbus, and I think Dom will prove to everyone that he can be much better then today, and there won't be stupid pucks hitting skates and that...

[Z and D for the C 712]

I'm not saying he played like trash yesterday (no I did not watch), but the first goal he let in sucked and should have stopped, and he set up the second very nicely for nashville. AND that's not an isolated error on Ozzie's part, He nearly let Dallas tie it back after we took the lead with a similar f*** up behind the net.

And save % doesn't mean anything, as wings fans you should see that.

There are no double standards here.

Ha.

And I'll never hesitate to admit Hasek let in a bad goal or something. I just hate it when a GDT is 50 perecent people saying Hasek was trash when he lets in more than two goals (EVEN IN A WIN) whereas that never happens for Ozzie and if it does those people are attacked. And that happening is a fact. End.

Edited March 17, 2008 by Z and D for the C

[gcom007 1,465]

That's the way it should be. We all have our faves, but when it comes down to it winning is the most important thing.

And to prove it, considering how good with the puck Osgood is, I don't think he has any excuse for flubbing up that goal yesterday. Miscommunication or not, someone as good as he is behind the net needs to make a better/smarter play than he did. But hey, when you stop everything else sans a deflection en route to a win and a .923, you gotta say good game. Not great, but good.

But as we know, I only accept great games once the playoffs come around so back to square one! One of these guys needs to get it together quick or I'm going to start trying to get more excited about Howard next year than I ever rationally should!

[Yemack 1]

Sammy and Hasek sucked today

Stuart and Z played amazing. I feel so stupid after saying Z might have a problem with his back.

It might be a good idea to start fast and avoid playing catching up after giving other team all the momentum in the world.

[dallas27 7]

And save % doesn't mean anything, as wings fans you should see that.

:caution:

Sorry, had to use it. If you honestly think that, please don't continue in goalie discussions.

Edited March 16, 2008 by dallas27

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I'm not saying he played trash yesterday (no I did not watch), but the first goal he let in sucked and should have stopped, and he set up the second very nicely for nashville. AND that's not an isolated error on Ozzie's part, He nearly let Dallas tie it back after we took the lead with a similar f*** up behind the net.

And save % doesn't mean anything, as wings fans you should see that.

Ha.

And I'll never hesitate to admit Hasek let in a bad goal or something. I just hate it when a GDT is 50 perecent people saying Hasek was trash when he lets in more than two goals (EVEN IN A WIN) whereas that never happens for Ozzie and if it does those people are attacked. And that happening is a fact. End.

I really don't know where to start with your lovely post here.

You just admitted you didn't watch yet you in fact did say he played like trash and let in 'trash goals.'

I was at the game against the Stars and I don't recall Ozzie letting the Stars almost tie it up. Funny though you bring something completely irrevelant to this discussion that didn't have an effect on the outcome of the game. whatsoever..

Save % doesn't mean anything you say? Goals against is more of a team stat, whereas save % is all about the goaltender. As a fan of the National Hockey League,you should know that.

Edited March 16, 2008 by HockeyCrazy3033

[gcom007 1,465]

Goalie discussions with people who aren't blindly allegiant to one side? That's impossible at letsgowings.com

Same here. In a perfect world one of them, more so Hasek as we know he is the starter, catches fire so they can ride a hot goalie into the playoffs. Especially if Detroit/Vancouver pan out for the first round. Luongo is bound to play out of his mind, so one of the Wings goalies (Hasek) are going to need to do the same thing if they want to win.

Exactly. At their best, I think both of our goalies can match Luongo. They're going to need to because I'm not convinced at all that Cleary's going to be Cleary until the 3rd round or so should we get that far. If we do it'll be just in time, but hey, we still gotta get there so our D and goaltending are going to have to be top notch. We're likely going to be in a lot of 1 goal games so we're not going to be able to afford the liberty of maintaining a lead. The skaters are going to need to trust that if they take some chances to tie it up or up the ante that our goalie will meet them where they're at and be there for the big save.

And seriously, sure, I like Osgood more than Hasek generally speaking, but I want to win and whoever is best for that should start. I don't care. But more so, as far as LGW is concerned, I'm very unbiased in terms of calling it how it is for both goalies with no slant. Granted, it may only be due to the fact that I can't stand that so many on both sides are so ignorantly biased and unwilling to be realistic. It just irritates me. It's never Osgood's fault and everyone just wants to hate on Hasek. Shut up with that crap already! No one's perfect and calling it how it is doesn't make you less of a fan. If you can be objective, sure, you gotta deal with the downs and sometimes it sucks, but the ups and high's are so much better. Being close-minded and irrational about it just turns it all gray ultimately. Blah.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

And to prove it, considering how good with the puck Osgood is, I don't think he has any excuse for flubbing up that goal yesterday. Miscommunication or not, someone as good as he is behind the net needs to make a better/smarter play than he did. But hey, when you stop everything else sans a deflection en route to a win and a .923, you gotta say good game. Not great, but good.

But as we know, I only accept great games once the playoffs come around so back to square one! One of these guys needs to get it together quick or I'm going to start trying to get more excited about Howard next year than I ever rationally should!

I'd honestly have to see it again. I perfectly remember the first goal and I didn't like that one at all. But for the second, I saw Oz come slightly out of his net and give the puck to Kronner and slowly ease back into his net and then outta nowhere the Preds stole the puck and threw it in the net. Then again I could be completely wrong. From the replay I remember Kronner giving it up at the last second, but oh well. I recorded the game so I'll definitely check it out again.

Edited March 16, 2008 by HockeyCrazy3033

[gcom007 1,465]

:caution:

Sorry, had to use it. If you honestly think that, please don't continue in goalie discussions.

Maybe if he meant GAA I'd dig it, but, umm, no. I think Sv.% is actually more impressive on a team like the Wings that gives up so few shots. It takes a lot of work to keep it up there when it's almost a given that the other team's going to find it in them to get 1-2 goals a game no matter how many shots they take and all the while it's not unusual for the Wings to allow fewer than 20 shots. I mean, geez, playing us on a day like today, you let in 3 goals but you stop 43 others and you've still got a .935! Even letting in 4 goals leaves you at .913. You let in a couple goals on anything less than 20 and you're in the upper .800's. Our D forces opponents to make great plays to get shots so that can definitely be tough on a goalies Sv.%.

[FinRedWing 172]

Didn't get to watch or listen to this one.

So,Norrena for the Vezina?

[adtthosa 5]

I hate when the other team scores first. Seems like it happens a lot lately. Didn't get to watch the whole game. Obviously disappointed with the result but we'll get 'em Wednesday. These afternoon games suck.

Edited March 17, 2008 by adtthosa

[esteef 2,679]

Kopecky - 1 Goal, +1 (the only + Wing), 7 SOG, 2 hits and 14:21 ice time!

Edited March 17, 2008 by esteef

[CopenhagenWing 38]

Comment on the damn game.

Not which goalie would have done what in which situation.