wingsfan75 2 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) Check out the caption of the photo to the right of the story. That would have been scary back in the day. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/recap?gameId=280315017 New Jersey Devils defenseman Sheldon Brookbank, left, congratulates Colorado Avalanche goalie Martin Brodeur after... Edited March 18, 2008 by wingsfan75 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnoldbuck 0 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) His headshot has the same expression as Will Ferrels wedding picture in Old School. Just glazed. *spelling Edited March 18, 2008 by arnoldbuck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 maybe Brodeur really is leaving New Jersey to play for the Avs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 Absolutely LOVE Martin. IMO, he is the best goaltender in the history of the league. When all is said and done with him it'll be a sure thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnoldbuck 0 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 Absolutely LOVE Martin. IMO, he is the best goaltender in the history of the league. When all is said and done with him it'll be a sure thing. A lot of haters have tried to Credit his defence and the New Jersey style for his success, but yeah, I agree I think he is the best, and when he is done I think he will have taken Roy's records. I think for the biggest Impact ever, it was Hasek of the mid-through late 90's. But as the most consistant, all round goaltender, Marty takes top prize. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 f***in espn how do they manage to do the dumbest s*** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 I like Marty, best goalie in the NHL IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 Sorry guys, but Patrick Roy won 3 Conn Smyth trophies in three different decades. Guess how many guys have done that before? That shows amazing longevity over different eras, and with different teams. Brodeur is still great despite the fact that he faced around 20 shots a game playing for those Devils Cup teams, however, that does prevent him in my mind from being number one. I look at those 2 Cups that Roy won in Montreal, and in my opinion he carried those teams to their Cups, which I don't think Brodeur ever did in Jersey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted March 18, 2008 I agree Roy had incredible longevity, but if I had to choose either goalie to have on my team I would take Marty over Roy any day. It's not just because of the Wings-Avs rivalry, I just never liked Roy as a person, I don't think he is a good person, his cockiness always bothered me. Marty is a walking encyclopedia, he knows every sharp-shooters preference in the league and has incredible amounts of skill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 19, 2008 Sorry guys, but Patrick Roy won 3 Conn Smyth trophies in three different decades. Guess how many guys have done that before? That shows amazing longevity over different eras, and with different teams. Brodeur is still great despite the fact that he faced around 20 shots a game playing for those Devils Cup teams, however, that does prevent him in my mind from being number one. I look at those 2 Cups that Roy won in Montreal, and in my opinion he carried those teams to their Cups, which I don't think Brodeur ever did in Jersey. See here is why I think Broduer is underrated (If possible). If Broduer started his career or was born 5 years later he doesn't have to play in the same league as Roy for the majority of his career. And he would get even more respect than he does, however he is still not better than Patty Roy. As much as I hated his beady little eyes, and that stupid statue of Liberty save, he was/is the best netminder in the NHL history followed by Sawchuk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auxlepli 17 Report post Posted March 19, 2008 I bet this is the photographer's gaffe. That said. I'm surprised it made that far, ESPN's website, without anybody in the editing chain noticing. Part blame could be laid at ESPN's gatekeepers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 20, 2008 Sorry guys, but Patrick Roy won 3 Conn Smyth trophies in three different decades. Guess how many guys have done that before? That shows amazing longevity over different eras, and with different teams. Brodeur is still great despite the fact that he faced around 20 shots a game playing for those Devils Cup teams, however, that does prevent him in my mind from being number one. I look at those 2 Cups that Roy won in Montreal, and in my opinion he carried those teams to their Cups, which I don't think Brodeur ever did in Jersey. The 94-95 Devils had worse skaters than any team Roy played on except the 94-95 Canadiens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted March 20, 2008 The 94-95 Devils had worse skaters than any team Roy played on except the 94-95 Canadiens. That doesn't matter, because their defensive philosophy was superior. They dominated the Wings in the finals, and even though it wasn't because of their talent, they still made it look easy. I wouldn't say they won the Cup in 95 because of Brodeur standing on his head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 20, 2008 That doesn't matter, because their defensive philosophy was superior. They dominated the Wings in the finals, and even though it wasn't because of their talent, they still made it look easy. I wouldn't say they won the Cup in 95 because of Brodeur standing on his head. The 86 and 93 Canadiens didn't win because of Roy standing on his head either. Each team only played one team that accumulated more points in the regular season; both times it was a difference of two points. Combined with the fact that those are two of Roy's best postseason performances matched with two of his worst regular seasons, and it's apparent that it was not a great goaltender lifting a mediocre team in the playoffs, but rather a great team dragged down by an underperforming goaltender in the regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted March 20, 2008 The 86 and 93 Canadiens didn't win because of Roy standing on his head either. Each team only played one team that accumulated more points in the regular season; both times it was a difference of two points. Combined with the fact that those are two of Roy's best postseason performances matched with two of his worst regular seasons, and it's apparent that it was not a great goaltender lifting a mediocre team in the playoffs, but rather a great team dragged down by an underperforming goaltender in the regular season. So you're saying Brodeur carried the Devils to any of their 3 Cups? I don't think so. Their system was the reason he won. Besides, winning Cups with different teams in different eras is something that Brodeur never had to do, since the lineup around him stayed the same. Also, since you love stats and trophies, don't you think that 3 Conn Smythes means something over zero Conn Smythes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 20, 2008 So you're saying Brodeur carried the Devils to any of their 3 Cups? I don't think so. Their system was the reason he won. Besides, winning Cups with different teams in different eras is something that Brodeur never had to do, since the lineup around him stayed the same. Also, since you love stats and trophies, don't you think that 3 Conn Smythes means something over zero Conn Smythes? It does. However, winning the Conn Smythe trophy does not mean that you singlehandedly won the Cup for a weak team like people tend to suggest in the Roy debate. Brodeur also could have easily won the Conn Smythe in any of his three Cup seasons. He was just as good as Giguere in 2003, and he was my pick for Conn Smythe in 2000. New Jersey started him as a rookie in 1993-94, and suddenly after years of futility they were having SIGNIFICANT success almost overnight. With basically the same roster, making only a handful of changes; Brodeur in as starter over Chris Terreri, Tommy Albelin seeing a few more games on D and Slava Fetisov and Bruce Driver each seeing a few less, Dave Barr replaced by Mike Peluso, and Peter Stastny replaced by Bobby Carpenter were the only changes to the regular roster from 92-93 to 93-94. Yet the Devils went from a team that gave up nearly five goals per game in the playoffs in a five game, first round departure, to a team that gave upjust over two, and got within a period of the finals. They scored exactly 2.6 goals per game in 93 (13 goals for in 5 games), and repeated that scoring output in 94 EXACTLY (52 in 20 games). Going further, the Devils replaced veteran center Bernie Nicholls with veteran center Neal Broten, top-sixers Alexander Semak and Valeri Zelepukin with rookies Brian Rolston and Sergei Brylin, and Slava Fetisov replaced by Shawn Chambers. The Devils' offensive output increased from their 2.6 in 93 and 94 to 3.35 goals per game in the 95 playoffs, while they gave up only 1.7 goals per game, down from 2.45 in 94 and 4.6 in 93. So let's straighten this out real quick... Over two years, the Devils replaced Dave Barr, Bernie Nicholls, Peter Stastny, Alexander Semak, Valeri Zelepukin, and Slava Fetisov with Mike Peluso, Neal Broten, Bobby Carpenter, Brian Rolston, Sergei Brylin, and Shawn Chambers, respectively. As far as on-ice performance, most of those moves are a wash at best. Yet the only other change involving regular roster players was the installation of Brodeur as starting goaltender. Oh but that's right...Brodeur had NO noticeable effect on the Devils' playoff results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
