Interesting goalie stats

[CrabCZ 0]

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If we take usual 60 minute game (without OT & excesses - early pull) we get this:

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Osgood averaged 24.5 SA in 35 games and Hasek averaged 21.5 SA in 34 games.

games with 35+ SA - Osgood 2 (.915 SV%) - Hasek 0 (.000 SV%)

games with 30+ SA - Osgood 5 (.935 SV%) - Hasek 1 (.906 SV%)

games with 25+ SA - Osgood 18 (.922 SV%) - Hasek 9 (.902 SV%)

games with 20+ SA - Osgood 29 (.925 SV%) - Hasek 21 (.904 SV%)

games with less than 20 SA - Osgood 6 (.916 SV%) - Hasek 13 (.916 SV%)

Osgood conceded 65 goals (48 EV, 16 PP, 1 SH)

Hasek conceded 68 goals (35 EV, 28 PP, 5 SH - 4 against Chicago, 3 in one game)

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If we take all games (with OT) we get this:

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Osgood conceded 76 goals (55 EV, 20 PP. 1 SH)

Hasek conceded 78 goals (43 EV, 30 PP. 5 SH)

SITUATION - G - SA - TOI -> SV% -> GAA60 -> GAA2

_{(GAA60 = GAA in 60 minutes; GAA2 = GAA in 2 minutes)}

Osgood 5v4 - 16 - 132 - 209:56 -> .879 -> 4.29 -> 0.14

Osgood 5v3 - 4 - 12 - 9:42 -> .667 -> 24.74 -> 0.82

Osgood 4v3 - 0 - 1 - 2:00 -> 1.000 -> 0.00 -> 0.00

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Osgood PP - 20 - 145 - 221:38 -> .862 -> 5.41 -> 0.18

Osgood EV&SH - 56 - 770 - 2012:00 -> .927 -> 1.67 -> N/A

Osgood TOTAL - 76 - 915 - 2234:00 -> .917 -> 2.04 -> N/A

SITUATION - G - SA - TOI -> SV% -> GAA60 -> GAA2

_{(GAA60 = GAA in 60 minutes; GAA2 = GAA in 2 minutes)}

Hasek 5v4 - 27 - 157 - 255:43 -> .828 -> 6.34 -> 0.21

Hasek 5v3 - 3 - 8 - 3:50 -> .625 -> 46.96 -> 1.57

Hasek 4v3 - 0 - 1 - 0:16 -> 1.000 -> 0.00 -> 0.00

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Hasek PP - 30 - 166 - 259:49 -> .819 -> 6.93 -> 0.23

Hasek EV&SH - 48 - 611 - 1899:00 -> .921 -> 1.52 -> N/A

Hasek TOTAL - 78 - 777 - 2159:00 -> .900 -> 2.17 -> N/A

Hasek spends 12,04% of his TOI killing penalties, Osgood 9,91%. Hasek faces 21,36% of his SA during PK, Osgood 15,85%.

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CONCLUSION:

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Hasek faces considerably less shots than Osgood. When they face less than 20 shots a game they're even, When they face more than 20 shots a game Hasek deteriorates, Osgood gets better. On the other hand Hasek spends more time killing penalties and picking pucks out of his goal during PK than Osgood. Excluding PP goals from their TOTAL regular season numbers we get the main reason for Hasek's bad statistics - Penalty Killing.

It seems like when Dom is in the crease our team defends a lot more (= fouls a lot more) and Dom can't kill penalties any more. His even strength numbers look much better.

What do you think?

[Guest crazy8legs]

awesome stats, theres so many ways to look at the game!

[imisssergei 0]

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If we take usual 60 minute game (without OT & excesses - early pull) we get this:

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Osgood averaged 24.5 SA in 35 games and Hasek averaged 21.5 SA in 34 games.

games with 35+ SA - Osgood 2 (.915 SV%) - Hasek 0 (.000 SV%)

games with 30+ SA - Osgood 5 (.935 SV%) - Hasek 1 (.906 SV%)

games with 25+ SA - Osgood 18 (.922 SV%) - Hasek 9 (.902 SV%)

games with 20+ SA - Osgood 29 (.925 SV%) - Hasek 21 (.904 SV%)

games with less than 20 SA - Osgood 6 (.916 SV%) - Hasek 13 (.916 SV%)

Osgood conceded 65 goals (48 EV, 16 PP, 1 SH)

Hasek conceded 68 goals (35 EV, 28 PP, 5 SH - 4 against Chicago, 3 in one game)

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If we take all games (with OT) we get this:

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Osgood conceded 76 goals (55 EV, 20 PP. 1 SH)

Hasek conceded 78 goals (43 EV, 30 PP. 5 SH)

SITUATION - G - SA - TOI -> SV% -> GAA60 -> GAA2

_{(GAA60 = GAA in 60 minutes; GAA2 = GAA in 2 minutes)}

Osgood 5v4 - 16 - 132 - 209:56 -> .879 -> 4.29 -> 0.14

Osgood 5v3 - 4 - 12 - 9:42 -> .667 -> 24.74 -> 0.82

Osgood 4v3 - 0 - 1 - 2:00 -> 1.000 -> 0.00 -> 0.00

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Osgood PP - 20 - 145 - 221:38 -> .862 -> 5.41 -> 0.18

Osgood EV&SH - 56 - 770 - 2012:00 -> .927 -> 1.67 -> N/A

Osgood TOTAL - 76 - 915 - 2234:00 -> .917 -> 2.04 -> N/A

SITUATION - G - SA - TOI -> SV% -> GAA60 -> GAA2

_{(GAA60 = GAA in 60 minutes; GAA2 = GAA in 2 minutes)}

Hasek 5v4 - 27 - 157 - 255:43 -> .828 -> 6.34 -> 0.21

Hasek 5v3 - 3 - 8 - 3:50 -> .625 -> 46.96 -> 1.57

Hasek 4v3 - 0 - 1 - 0:16 -> 1.000 -> 0.00 -> 0.00

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Hasek PP - 30 - 166 - 259:49 -> .819 -> 6.93 -> 0.23

Hasek EV&SH - 48 - 611 - 1899:00 -> .921 -> 1.52 -> N/A

Hasek TOTAL - 78 - 777 - 2159:00 -> .900 -> 2.17 -> N/A

Hasek spends 12,04% of his TOI killing penalties, Osgood 9,91%. Hasek faces 21,36% of his SA during PK, Osgood 15,85%.

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CONCLUSION:

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Hasek faces considerably less shots than Osgood. When they face less than 20 shots a game they're even, When they face more than 20 shots a game Hasek deteriorates, Osgood gets better. On the other hand Hasek spends more time killing penalties and picking pucks out of his goal during PK than Osgood. Excluding PP goals from their TOTAL regular season numbers we get the main reason for Hasek's bad statistics - Penalty Killing.

It seems like when Dom is in the crease our team defends a lot more (= fouls a lot more) and Dom can't kill penalties any more. His even strength numbers look much better.

What do you think?

I think you have way too much time on your hands! lol

Nice statistical representation of what I've been saying all season long, Ozzie is better than Dom.

Don't look now, but here come the LGW lynch mob!

[CrabCZ 0]

imisssergei: I'm ill so I have nothing better to do. ;-)

[lets go pavel 2]

clearly they both suck ass and we should have traded for toskala at the deadline ...

seriously, it's an interesting comparison, but the team will be fine regardless of who is in net, both can get the job done ...

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Wow. I think it's amazing to look at it. Great job figuring all that out. It would of took me a few months. LOL

[irishtemper14+25 11]

i dont know how anyone can argue that hasek is better than osgood

[Z and D for the C 712]

Email babcock, tell them to practice the PK with Hasek more.

[HenrikRules40 14]

That is actually a fascinating way to look at it. I wonder why Dom is killing more penalties. Maybe he guys feel more comfortable with him in net and allow themselves to commit penalties? I dunno. I just feel bad that this is gonna become another goalie flame thread. But your intentions are honorable. Good breakdown.

[WhiteLightning91 105]

But his name is Hasek, which means he automatically reverts back to 1998-99 form once the playoffs start...

[digitaljohn88 4]

More interesting goalie stats:

Osgood home: 13-5-1 .895%

Osgood away: 13-4-2 .936%

Hasek home: 13-4-1 .907%

Hasek away: 11-5-2 .892%

Osgood on Wednesdays: 7-0-0 .951%

With this new information, I believe babcock should start Hasek in all home games and Osgood in all away games. Wednesday games are all Ozzy's.

Edited March 24, 2008 by digitaljohn88

[gcom007 1,465]

Interesting to look at but I'm not quite sure where to run with it.

The penalties one is interesting. Without looking at it game to game which really would be necessary I think, I would say that one reason why Hasek might've given up more power play goals is that teams have more room to move and make quick plays and Hasek tends to just go down. If you've got space, a bit of time and an IQ of 65 or higher, you're going to try to move the puck fast in front and get a shot off high and good chance you'll score. It's a style thing at that point. I'm really not sure if that's good or bad though let alone accurate of the issue presented here.

In terms of Osgood, you've also got to keep in mind that he played quite a few of those games when we not only were slumping but we were missing 4 out of our 6 NHL d-men not to mention more guys up front. I think he could've and should've played better in that period like he did during the slump earlier in the year, but at the same time, they had everything going against them for a couple weeks there and Osgood did face the brunt of it. I probably gave him more crap for it than anyone who's not a hater but even so, it's tough to argue with a slumping group of skaters and the Griffins on defense. That hurts his numbers.

Generally though, I think it's pretty reflective of the reality of the matter in that during the regular season, Osgood's clearly been the better and more consistent goalie. I don't think anyone could argue that whether they think Hasek should start in the playoffs or not and furthermore, as we all know, the regular season is a different game, so we'll see. But clearly, he's been the better goalie when it really shakes down.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

More interesting goalie stats:

Osgood home: 13-5-1 .895%

Osgood away: 13-4-2 .936%

Hasek home: 13-4-1 .907%

Hasek away: 11-5-2 .892%

Osgood on Wednesdays: 7-0-0 .951%

With this new information, I believe babcock should start Hasek in all home games and Osgood in all away games. Wednesday games are all Ozzy's.

I don't know why but that really made me laugh. NO ONE CAN BEAT OZ ON WEDNESDAYS!

[Deke 0]

Interesting break down.

It's interesting to note that there is a statitiscally significant different in shots allowed depending on what goalie is in. The goalie has nothing to do with shots allowed, that's defense.

Varaibles that would have to be considered. Do the Red Wings trust Osgood more and therefore do not work as hard to prevent shots when he's in net? Or perhaps Babcock favors one goalie for a given team. And that team has a higher Shots For average, thereby raising the average of that goalie when facing that team.

[dallas27 7]

I think you have way too much time on your hands! lol

Nice statistical representation of what I've been saying all season long, Ozzie is better than Dom.

Don't look now, but here come the LGW lynch mob!

Exactly. But let's not forget the first two months don't count for Hasek, so these numbers may be off /sarcasm. I'm actually surprised some people haven't commented on that yet. Maybe because the argument of it doesn't matter what Hasek does in the first couple months isn't bearing any weight when another goalie has outplayed him ALL season?

I find it funny when I talk to my friends that have no bias they agree that the only reason why Hasek is starting in the playoffs is because of the name on his jersey. I'm sure some other people will disagree and let me know, and I wonder who their favorite goalie is...

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I just feel bad that this is gonna become another goalie flame thread.

Sad but true. :nonono:

[puckloo39 5,686]

stats are really good for one thing: "proving" whatever you want them to "prove." And that's about it.

Each shot on goal is different, each game is different. Stats don't show the variables which actually determine why a goal goes in against us -- or whether it even was a legitimate goal, in more than one case, due to bad officiating.

But if this thread is your reality...well, okey-dokey, smokey.

[dallas27 7]

NM

Edited March 24, 2008 by dallas27

[thedisappearer 291]

I find it funny when I talk to my friends that have no bias they agree that the only reason why Hasek is starting in the playoffs is because of the name on his jersey. I'm sure some other people will disagree and let me know, and I wonder who their favorite goalie is...

Osgood is my favorite WIngs goalie ever, and I want Hasek in net for the playoffs.

[Doggy 130]

Let's not forget that Dom's disgusting start to the season are going to skew his stats a little.

He's not as much of a slouch as some of you claim.

[digitaljohn88 4]

Let's not forget that Dom's disgusting start to the season are going to skew his stats a little.

He's not as much of a slouch as some of you claim.

Oz's disgusting february should relatively balance the stats out

[Doggy 130]

Oz's disgusting february should relatively balance the stats out

Not even close. Either way I think both are capable of taking this exceptional team all the way. I'm just trying to point out the gap isn't that large.

And what does that face even mean??

[digitaljohn88 4]

And what does that face even mean??

this is the "i hope this post doesnt start a goalie war" face

to be honest i just couldnt find a better smiley without clicking "show all"

[stormboy 47]

nice stats! very interesting analysis.

it's really strange how ozzie faces more shots than hasek...i think (if i read the stats right) ozzie actually gets better the more shots he faces, whereas hasek rocks the house on those 12-15 shot games. again, the variables associated with those stats are pretty incomprehensible, as are the stats regarding their powerplay performance. it's interesting that hasek has done so much worse than ozzie in those situations.

obviously you can't discount that one game where hasek let in three shorties against chicago, 'cause it was a game like any other, but without that really poor performance he would only have one more shortie than ozzie. (correct?) but, yeah, great stats. i've been studying african economics all day, so they kind of hurt my head...but in a good way.