MannyK 16 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 I didn't see this posted yet... from ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3310766 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 What can I say, Chelli is a beast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted March 27, 2008 Cool! I didn't know he worked out at venice beach... I'll prolly see him this summer, I've been working in that area Sorry lil off topic.... He's a machine, I think that's been proven time and again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 it's a good article, but it's very much a rehash of all the stuff the free press and news have been posting about him for years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 sounds like he wants some top 4 minutes .(who doesnt though) but if Cheli got top minutes to me that just means he'll be burnt out the deeper we get in the playoffs ... SAVE UR STEAM CHELI well need it! although its nice to know Babcock can "lean" on him for extra ice time when needed.. If Babcock ultilizes him like he has and Cheli has no problem of accepting his role like he has I dont see why he cant go another 3-4 years .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 I still do not understand why Samuelsson is a better option than Chelios on the point of the 2nd power play unit. Sure, Samelsson is faster on his skates, but Chelios would make much less mistakes and would not need to rely on his speed. They need someone with a good shot, a right hand, good sense and someone to keep the puck in the zone. Why not Chelios again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 I still do not understand why Samuelsson is a better option than Chelios on the point of the 2nd power play unit. Sure, Samelsson is faster on his skates, but Chelios would make much less mistakes and would not need to rely on his speed. They need someone with a good shot, a right hand, good sense and someone to keep the puck in the zone. Why not Chelios again? Probaly b/c cheli takes six days to wind up a 70 mph slapper .. lol .. no but seriously that is a good point .. theres no need for the shin gaurd assassin on the 2nd pp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 egroen, I would have to say that Babs is trying to save him, I think when Cheli refers to not being out there in more offensive situations I think he specifically is referring to pp time. As much as I defend Sammy as a forward you will have noticed the only thing I say about him being on the point is that he does enough to be there and not totally botch it up. The only time I have ever been a fan of a forward on the point was when Det used to do it with Feds and others. But at that time the wings had multiple forwards who could play that spot very well, and yet they had enough forwards that a scorer like Feds could be off of the forward lines and it didn't affect the team. Think of it like as if Z played the point and Flip, Huds, Franzen, or some one was able to play forward with the same results (not skill) as Z. This team doesn't have that abundance of forwards. I personally would like to see Stuart, Cheli, or Lebda back their. Lebda being the last of my choices Stuart being my preference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) Perhaps because he is so important on the PK, that Babcock wants him rested should we go a man down? I dunno... but Samy on the point grinds me to no end. I don't think he is the worst player in the NHL, like many on here... but he does not add anything to the point. I hated Williams being on there as well. Chelios has a hard shot and accurate (much more accurate than Samy)... he doesn't dink around with the puck before he shoots it from the point and he never looks lost out there like Samy does. Huh... I just do not get it. I would prefer Stuart there as well... but it seems like Babcock is adamant he wants a righty out there. Edited March 27, 2008 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 My preference for the second PP right point is... Jiri Fischer. Sadly, there is only a very slim chance of that happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) Perhaps because he is so important on the PK, that Babcock wants him rested should we go a man down? I dunno... but Samy on the point grinds me to no end. I don't think he is the worst player in the NHL, like many on here... but he does not add anything to the point. I hated Williams being on there as well. Chelios has a hard shot and accurate (much more accurate than Samy)... he doesn't dink around with the puck before he shoots it from the point and he never looks lost out there like Samy does. Huh... I just do not get it. I would prefer Stuart there as well... but it seems like Babcock is adamant he wants a righty out there. To tell you the truth that is the only viable reason I can come up with for Sammy being there, he looks very uncomfortable, very unsure, and very nervous back there. What makes it look worse is that the other pp unit has people who are very comfortable, very sure, and not nervous at all back there!! EDIT: Eva- You and me both brother, you and me both!!!! Edited March 27, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 The contrast between the #1 PP and #2 PP units is unbelievable. Most of the time, that first unit looks like it could be hosting a clinic against opposing straw dummies, just to illustrate proper PP mechanics.... so of course the second unit is going to look bad in comparison. I just believe it could be a bit better. I usually feel like I could get up and get a snack when the second unit is out there. Would have loved to see Fedorov back on the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 Great article, I love Cheli! Thanks a lot for sharing that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 The contrast between the #1 PP and #2 PP units is unbelievable. Most of the time, that first unit looks like it could be hosting a clinic against opposing straw dummies, just to illustrate proper PP mechanics.... so of course the second unit is going to look bad in comparison. I just believe it could be a bit better. I usually feel like I could get up and get a snack when the second unit is out there. Would have loved to see Fedorov back on the point. First off, I agree the 1st unit is far superior to the 2nd, however I don't think replacing the point man would change too much of that. I think if the team wanted two great pp units they would do it this way (again I am not a coach nor would/could I ever be, so this is my opinion): Cleary Dats Homer(franzen) Lids Stuart (Babs would probably put Sammy there) Franzen(Homer) Z Flip Ralf Kronwall Secondly, you lose me with Feds, other than his defensive play which is far superior, he has been worse statistically than everyone's favorite whipping boy Sammy, averaging 2+ minutes more per game. So I see this as a lateral move that would have cost the wings quite a bit to get, especially when he was coming from within the division. However if we are talking about just the 2nd unit pp point I would take Feds over Sammy everyday of the week and 5x on Sunday, that isn't a question. The problem is that the game isn't played in a vacuum and Feds can't just play the point and nothing else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 I hope he comes back. I don't honestly know why so many posters here think that he can't hack it anymore. He doesn't look any worse to me now than he did a few years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 I hope he comes back. I don't honestly know why so many posters here think that he can't hack it anymore. He doesn't look any worse to me now than he did a few years ago. NOW THAT WE CAN AGREE ON!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 NOW THAT WE CAN AGREE ON!!!! Damn! Now I'm going to have to go back and edit my post. Come to think of it, he hasn't played that great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmorland 16 Report post Posted March 27, 2008 "And it's why his Red Wings, with Cup-quality talent but questionable spine, need the player they call The Godfather now more than ever." How do the wings have questionable spine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
