3/28 GDT: Blues 4, Red Wings 3 (OT)

[Guest Crymson]

I was at the game. Ozzie was nowhere near the reason why the Wings lost. They had giveaway after giveaway. He got absolutely no help back there at all.

I was at Osgood's end of the ice for three of the goals, 12 rows up. He let in two very bad goals, McDonald's and the game winner. McDonald's shot Osgood saw the whole way. There's no such thing as 'help' on a goal like that. Osgood had a full view of the puck the whole way to the net, it came from a reasonable distance away, and he didn't stop it.

On the winning goal, 'help' also did not come into play. Boyes was not in a very dangerous position (he had a bad angle and the area was crowded), and there was no rebound for the Blues to sweep in. Osgood just didn't make the save.

I will certainly attest to the fact that the Wings did not drive hard in the first 1.5 periods. However, Osgood needs to make those saves. The Blues had maybe ten good scoring chances; the defense stopped three, Osgood stopped three, and Osgood let in four. That can't happen.

Edited March 29, 2008 by Crymson

[gcom007 1,465]

I don't care if you don't get help. If you let in 3-4 goals a game, you're part of the reason. Maybe you can't say that they sucked, but you can't say that they were any better than the team if you ask me. You let in 2 goals and the team sucks that's another thing. 3-4 goals (barring wholly unresasonable meltdown) and you've gotta hang the goalie up with everyone else.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I was at Osgood's end of the ice for three of the goals, 12 rows up. He let in two very bad goals, McDonald's and the game winner.

As was I, 14 rows up though. The game winner was definitely a bad goal. Maybe I worded it wrong but I'm not trying to say that Oz wasn't at all to fault because he was indeed shaky and not himself this game, but for the most part from what I saw at the game the team played poorly in front of him. *NOT using that as an excuse..just saying'*

[Guest Crymson]

As was I, 14 rows up though. The game winner was definitely a bad goal. Maybe I worded it wrong but I'm not trying to say that Oz wasn't at all to fault because he was indeed shaky and not himself this game, but for the most part from what I saw at the game the team played poorly in front of him. *NOT using that as an excuse..just saying'*

I wish I'd gotten into contact with you and others so we all could have met up before the game. That'd have been fun. I'm not in town much, and I doubt I'll make it out to another game for years.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I wish I'd gotten into contact with you and others so we all could have met up before the game. That'd have been fun. I'm not in town much, and I doubt I'll make it out to another game for years.

That would of been awesome. What section were you in?

[Guest Crymson]

That would of been awesome. What section were you in?

Section 105, row 12, seat 7.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

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You stated that you were at the game like you know more "inside" information than the cameras and replays that we watched. You also stated that Huds played well.... either you are blind or had bad seats.

Ozzie was bad tonight. If Hasek were to play this bad, Letsgowings would have an internal meltdown and implode... people would break fingers from hitting the "panic" button too hard.

Good thing for us, Hasek is our #1.

Next time you want to quote someone and get your point across, try doing it without being such an ass.

I never said Osgood was good. I said that the team played like crap in front of him.

And I am SO sorry I think Huds played good while some didn't agree. Bite me.

[Guest Hank=FutureCaptain]

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You stated that you were at the game like you know more "inside" information than the cameras and replays that we watched. You also stated that Huds showed up.... either you are blind or had bad seats. because Ozzy was subpar and Huds was our worse enemy. He needs to be fired, NOW!

Ozzie was bad tonight. If Hasek were to play this bad, Letsgowings would have an internal meltdown and implode... people would break fingers from hitting the "panic" button too hard.

Good thing for us, Hasek is our #1.

Spot on.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I was at Osgood's end of the ice for three of the goals, 12 rows up. He let in two very bad goals, McDonald's and the game winner. McDonald's shot Osgood saw the whole way. There's no such thing as 'help' on a goal like that. Osgood had a full view of the puck the whole way to the net, it came from a reasonable distance away, and he didn't stop it.

On the winning goal, 'help' also did not come into play. Boyes was not in a very dangerous position (he had a bad angle and the area was crowded), and there was no rebound for the Blues to sweep in. Osgood just didn't make the save.

I will certainly attest to the fact that the Wings did not drive hard in the first 1.5 periods. However, Osgood needs to make those saves. The Blues had maybe ten good scoring chances; the defense stopped three, Osgood stopped three, and Osgood let in four. That can't happen.

I just watched higlights.

First goal: I don't think Ozzie had any chance on.

Second goal: I really don't know? It looked like Franzen deflected it at the very last second but I'm not sure.

Third goal: Ozzie should have had it.

OT: Yeah you're right he could of and should have stopped it.

2 goals faulted for. 2 goals not. lol

[Z and D for the C 712]

The second and third goals were both deflected so I wouldn't either of the first three are his fault. The OT goal was iffy, though.

[seeinred 1,488]

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You stated that you were at the game like you know more "inside" information than the cameras and replays that we watched. You also stated that Huds showed up.... either you are blind or had bad seats. because Ozzy was subpar and Huds was our worse enemy. He needs to be fired, NOW!

Ozzie was bad tonight. If Hasek were to play this bad, Letsgowings would have an internal meltdown and implode... people would break fingers from hitting the "panic" button too hard.

Good thing for us, Hasek is our #1.

She never said she had inside information. Little makes someone look more ignorant in a "discussion" than attributing things to the other side that were not said.

How well a player plays is a very subjective thing. Granted most people think Huddles was garbage tonight, but I'm sure you can find a few who thought he was effective. Osgood was not subpar. The 4th goal was kind of weak, I'll give you that, but the 2nd and 3rd goals were both tipped.

I'd hazard a guess that you're a Hasek fanboi based on your speculation as to how the posters of LGW would react if Hasek were in net tonight instead, which also kind of destroys any credibility you have when talking about a goalie.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

She never said she had inside information. Little makes someone look more ignorant in a "discussion" than attributing things to the other side that were not said.

How well a player plays is a very subjective thing. Granted most people think Huddles was garbage tonight, but I'm sure you can find a few who thought he was effective. Osgood was not subpar. The 4th goal was kind of weak, I'll give you that, but the 2nd and 3rd goals were both tipped.

I'd hazard a guess that you're a Hasek fanboi based on your speculation as to how the posters of LGW would react if Hasek were in net tonight instead, which also kind of destroys any credibility you have when talking about a goalie.

Thank You.

[seeinred 1,488]

If anyone thinks Hudler was effective tonight, then they're an idiot or didn't watch the game. He was anti-effective.

...and I could care less what you think about credibility when talking about a goalie. I'm probably the minority here who doesn't wear Osgood blinders. I've come on these boards see the boards over-run with about 5 or 6 threads started about anti-Hasek mobs because we lost a game 0-2. I find it sickning and quite appalling.

We need more Wing fans to realize we have a great one - two on our goalie department. Hasek is the number one this year. And he's our strongest hope if we want to make it deep in the playoffs.

Ozzie had a bad game, I'm not throwing him out... I don't completely blame him for our loss. Hudler, however, was our worse player who suited up tonight. Hudler hasn't done anything on this team to prove he deserves a spot on our roster. I think he is a waste of space.. I've never been fond of Hudler, even when we had lazy Lang. I hate them both pretty much about the same. Holland good have thrown Hudler in on a "good-riddence" trade to chi-land.

Regardless, I don't care we loss in OT tonight. I'm grateful for Mac coming in and getting some conditioning time for the post-season, I'm glad for Frazen, Dats, Zetter to get some gel time, Maltby is working hard and looks ready for the post-season, Drake is doing his job, Draper still can't hit the net, but he sure can kill off penalty.

Over-all, I'm pleased with our performance tonight. I'm reading other posters here all pissed off because there was no fights and mac avoided a hard hit. Screw that! I want our boys ready and healthy for play-offs. I could care less about tonights entertainment that could cost us a good play-off run. Some folks just don't get it. We have to finess our game, but we also have to take it easy and not get our boys all banged up before the post-season. Use some common sense.

P.S seeinred, please don't use the term 'fanboi" that shows ignorance. I hate that slang, makes people look like an idiot when they try to act like a gangster.

See what I meant though? You turned this into a goalie argument. And fanboi is about the farthest thing from gangster. It's really an internet term more than anything and I was merely using the alternate spelling in order to try to keep the mood a little light.

I agree with you about the goalies, but that's not what any of this was about.

And yet again you toss out the ad hominems, which happen to be one of the biggest and most obvious logical fallacies. Your argument means nothing and holds absolutely zero weight when you call someone an idiot for having the opposite viewpoint. Just because your view is that Hudler sucked a fat one tonight doesn't mean it's the right one. Like I said, it's a subjective thing, and other people may have other criteria by which they evaluate a certain player's performance.

I agree with most of what you posted here, but I guess my main point is that just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're an idiot. Basically you're saying "I'm right because I say I'm right, therefore you must be wrong and an idiot," and that is not even close to how logical discussion works.

[umredwing11 2]

Haha yep!

My thoughts on the game:

I was SO excited that they started the Grind Line at the drop of the puck. The crowd freaking LOVED it! Mac didn't play much, it's gonna take him awhile to get his groove back, but he will.

I didn't think the Wings played all that well tonight at all. Mule, Dats, Hank, Raffy, Flip, Huds, and Kopay were the ones that showed up. *BTW, I really like Kopay* He keeps getting better and I don't care what anyone says, the guy does have grit and a mean streak in him.*

I really thought we'd win in OT or a shootout, but oh well at least we got a point!

I'm 100% with you on that. I've been impressed with him lately-he gets hit soo hard sometimes though I worry he is going to get hurt. Beginning of the year I felt Hudler>Kopy, now it is Kopy by a longshot.

In addition to that I thought Fil had a real strong game, considering he is coming back from groin/knee injuries.

Edited March 29, 2008 by umredwing11

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

See what I meant though? You turned this into a goalie argument. And fanboi is about the farthest thing from gangster. It's really an internet term more than anything and I was merely using the alternate spelling in order to try to keep the mood a little light.

I agree with you about the goalies, but that's not what any of this was about.

And yet again you toss out the ad hominems, which happen to be one of the biggest and most obvious logical fallacies. Your argument means nothing and holds absolutely zero weight when you call someone an idiot for having the opposite viewpoint. Just because your view is that Hudler sucked a fat one tonight doesn't mean it's the right one. Like I said, it's a subjective thing, and other people may have other criteria by which they evaluate a certain player's performance.

I agree with most of what you posted here, but I guess my main point is that just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're an idiot. Basically you're saying "I'm right because I say I'm right, therefore you must be wrong and an idiot," and that is not even close to how logical discussion works.

Couldn't have said it better. That's exactly it.

[Outsider 42]

Couldn't have said it better. That's exactly it.

Rough game for Ozzie tonight. I'll agree with those stating that he definitely should've had #'s 3 and 4. Doesn't matter how much of a chance he had on the first and second goals. The third goal was ugly. The game winner in OT was brutal.

An NHL goalie has got to stop that shot, period. Especially after his teammates double up in shots on the opponent, and battle back to tie it after being down 3-1.

As for the Wings mailing it in for the first half of the game? That doesn't absolve Chris in the least. Bottom line is, once the guys got it going, it was HIS job to close the door.

He didn't. Period.

On to the next game.

[seeinred 1,488]

Rough game for Ozzie tonight. I'll agree with those stating that he definitely should've had #'s 3 and 4. Doesn't matter how much of a chance he had on the first and second goals. The third goal was ugly. The game winner in OT was brutal.

An NHL goalie has got to stop that shot, period. Especially after his teammates double up in shots on the opponent, and battle back to tie it after being down 3-1.

As for the Wings mailing it in for the first half of the game? That doesn't absolve Chris in the least. Bottom line is, once the guys got it going, it was HIS job to close the door.

He didn't. Period.

On to the next game.

The 3rd goal hit the inside of Lidstrom's leg and changed directions. I don't think you can fault him for that one. I thought it was weak the 1st time I saw it too, but on the replay it was clear it was deflected.

[kherty 3]

I love how everybody makes all the excuses about why our goalies didn't save the puck on various goals. However, it seems we have a way of making our opponent's goalies look like superstars. Legace had a flurry of pucks shot at him (and even deflections) and he managed it...and they won the game as a result.

It's a matter of increasing that level of play to the "playoff level." When I see Ozzy, I see somebody that is in a panic everytime the puck ends up by the net. He just looks nervous and I have no confidence he's going to stop whatever is shot at him. I think that its just a matter of time when pucks are shot at him that one will always manage its way in.

One reason why I thought maybe the team looked a little "off" tonight is that during the interview with Babcock, he said that some teams prefer to rest their players when conditioning for the playoffs. He feels that the more you skate the players, the better off they will be. Personally, I think the boys looked tired. I don't know how they can get in any better conditioning shape than after the regular season? If they are not conditioned by now, I don't think they ever will be! Save their legs...

[Yak19 303]

Legace stole one for the Blues, Osgood did have an off night.

I thought they should have played Howard.

Blues played their little hearts out because they think we have a rivalry with them but in reality they are insignifiCunts. Our boys should have finished better with some of those oppurtunities but you gotta hand it to Legace that pudgey midget stood on his head.

Good to see Franzen continue his good play.

Would like to have this one as we deserved a better fate but the game really means nothing just forget about it and move on we got bigger fish to fry.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I've noticed that home teams lose intensity, and the game sometimes, when they have too much else going on at the game. Pre-game ceremony honoring Drake, then the emotional business of the resurrection of Mac both were distractions. Coupled with it being the stretch into the playoffs, it's not an excuse for a loss (even by just one goal), but it's a possible factor.

It's just my dumb little theory, but it's pretty consistent if you're watching for the trend. I don't have any statistics to 'prove' anything, sorry.

I expect they will do much better next game. I didn't see the gaem, but from what I've gathered, Franzen was wonderful again, and Dats and Z were also just fine. So, it's all OK.

[zombiewing 3]

I've noticed that home teams lose intensity, and the game sometimes, when they have too much else going on at the game. Pre-game ceremony honoring Drake, then the emotional business of the resurrection of Mac both were distractions. Coupled with it being the stretch into the playoffs, it's not an excuse for a loss (even by just one goal), but it's a possible factor.

It's just my dumb little theory, but it's pretty consistent if you're watching for the trend. I don't have any statistics to 'prove' anything, sorry.

I expect they will do much better next game. I didn't see the gaem, but from what I've gathered, Franzen was wonderful again, and Dats and Z were also just fine. So, it's all OK.

I second your 'dumb little theory'. we were pre-occupied. the sooner we clinch the better, imo. we looked a lil tired.

[Yak19 303]

no team goes 0-82 even St. Louis picks up some wins our lack of finishing + Legace playing well + Osgood having an off night = a rare loss to the Blues

We did look uninterested in the game somewhat because lets face it the blues dont matter.

[edicius 3,269]

The second and third goals were both deflected so I wouldn't either of the first three are his fault. The OT goal was iffy, though.

At least someone around here has eyes. The OT goal was soft. The first goal was a perfect pass from behind the net. The other two were deflections, plain and simple. The first deflected off Franzen, the second off Lidstrom.

[Firehawk 305]

I don't think the OT goal was soft. Come on, the guy was wide open and left alone to stop a hard pass, settle it down, and shoot it. I mean my God. Why was he that wide open right in front of the net? All Ozzie could do was slide over there and try to take up as much space in the net as his little body could.

Lay off Ozzie...sheesh. 3 of those 4 goals were deflected...

How would you guys rate D-Mac's return?

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I don't think the OT goal was soft. Come on, the guy was wide open and left alone to stop a hard pass, settle it down, and shoot it. I mean my God. Why was he that wide open right in front of the net? All Ozzie could do was slide over there and try to take up as much space in the net as his little body could.

Lay off Ozzie...sheesh. 3 of those 4 goals were deflected...

How would you guys rate D-Mac's return?

It's amazing how the Ozzie supporters keep increasing the amount of goals that were deflected. Now it appears that 3 of the goals were deflected. I suppose that Langenbrunner's goal in the 1998 playoffs was deflected also?

He played a bad game and got outplayed by Legace. Why does everyone have to make excuses from that?