Philly fans have class.

[BlakChamber 8]

Go to Michigan vs. Michigan State at Yost and you'll understand.

Where you can listen to all the cheers that UM stole from Cornell?

[Frozen-Man 144]

interesting.....perhaps parents should teach their kids rather than relying on "strangers" to set the example.

Maybe, we can vote in Hilary so someone can finally clean things up. Parents don't need to "parent". They are far too busy.

/lame

Maybe there can be a parents "section". Kind of like the cry-room at church.

Trust me I am in no way advocating that parents are not responsible for the upbringing of their children (or that we vote for Hillary for president) if you read all of my posts the point of my posts is that people used to have some sense of respect for others and that things or actions might not be appropriate in all circumstances. There is no way that it is ANYONE but the parent's responsibility to raise their children and they should be the ones that teach them values and proper behavior. It is just a matter of people having some sense of propriety based upon who is around them.

[fastballspecial 0]

Oh c'mon, this is exactly the kind of stuff we do at Michigan games here at Yost to rattle the other team. It's just fans being obnoxious but thats what fans are supposed to do.

This is not Disney on ice, these are the Stanley Cup Playoffs. If you don't want your children hearing bad language, don't bring them to a hockey game. Sorry if this is insensitive, but that is how I feel.

The last time I checked, being a fan meant supporting a sports team. Not issuing classless remarks toward your team's opponent.

Edited April 18, 2008 by fastballspecial

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

interesting.....perhaps parents should teach their kids rather than relying on "strangers" to set the example.

Maybe, we can vote in Hilary so someone can finally clean things up. Parents don't need to "parent". They are far too busy.

/lame

Maybe there can be a parents "section". Kind of like the cry-room at church.

Now you're just putting words in peoples mouths. Nobody said anything like this.

[nkuehnl 0]

It's only a big deal because people make it a big deal, and that's that. "Bad" language has been a part of hockey since its conception and to get your panties in a twist because a child may hear one of those words at such a game is ridiculous.

Raise your kids right and it won't matter if 10,000 drunken hooligans are offending your ears.

Edited April 18, 2008 by nkuehnl

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

It's only a big deal because people make it a big deal, and that's that. "Bad" language has been a part of hockey since its conception and to get your panties in a twist because a child may hear one of those words at such a game is ridiculous.

Raise your kids right and it won't matter if 10,000 drunken hooligans are offending your ears.

Obviously you're missing the point some of us are making.

This has nothing to do with parenting (which you are right in saying that people need to raise children right), this is about respecting those that are around you. Screaming "F*ck Ovechkin" is not something 99.9% of parents want to have their young children hear.

Edited April 18, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25

[Frozen-Man 144]

Obviously you're missing the point some of us are making.

This has nothing to do with parenting (which you are right in saying that people need to raise children right), this is about respecting those that are around you. Screaming "F*ck Ovechkin" is not something 99.9% of parents want to have their young children hear.

EXACTLY

[nkuehnl 0]

Obviously you're missing the point some of us are making.

This has nothing to do with parenting (which you are right in saying that people need to raise children right), this is about respecting those that are around you. Screaming "F*ck Ovechkin" is not something 99.9% of parents want to have their young children hear.

Fair enough, but in response to that, if the parents know anything about hockey games then they should know what they're getting into by attending one with their children. I hear at least one swear word per game when watching FSN, that kind of language is extremely prevalent at these types of events.

I could totally see your point if this was a little league crowd doing this, but not a mature audience of a sport where men beat the living hell out of each other on a nightly basis. The double standard of deeming the hurtful violence appropriate but meaningless swear words inappropriate just doesn't fly with me.

Edited April 18, 2008 by nkuehnl

[Yzerfan1999 81]

I think there a bunch of places that have childish chants like that. I remember here in Edmonton during the '06 Cup run it was "******** Chee-choo" and "******** Tee-mu" when they were playing the Sharks and the Ducks. They were pretty classless and obnoxious, but every fan base has its group like that. EDIT* I must add that these chants were not during the game, they were on Whyte Ave, Edmonton's Bar scene area, so everyone there was over 18, and drunk - not streaming out of the coliseum in front of kids and parents.

At least some people had some more creative ones, like painting "Titties for Smytty (Ryan Smyth)" on girls T-shirts. Or "Shirts off for Samsonov" or even "Thongs for Prongs". Though it might seem lame, I actually thought the funniest was on a guys sign at one of the games - it read; "Whats a TEEMU, anyways?". Hahaha, maybe you had to be there....

Edited April 18, 2008 by Yzerfan1999

[redwinger4747 6]

Trust me, I understand why people do it but that doesn't make it right. Like skacore said, unfortunately you have to expect that when you take a child to a game, which is sad. Some of my best memories were when I was kid was when my Dad took me to Packers games. I look forward to doing that with my future kids some day. Fans get well into the game, but you don't here chants like "F*ck Ovechkin" because Packers fans (as a whole) have more class than those individuals screaming things like that.

As for your Michigan State vs. Michigan comment....congrats. You've got a bunch of drunk 18-22 years-olds that find it fun to swear back and forth at each other. Once again I ask, since you still haven't answered it......would you want your kids to be exposed to that type of language and vulgarity if all you wanted to do was take them to a MSU/UM Game?

I wouldn't mind taking a kid to the game, I would just explain to them that they are not to repeat what they hear. If my kid did repeat what he heard, I would stop taking him until he was a little older. I still stand by my opinion: the complete and utter vulgarity and torment that we Michigan fans direct to the opposing team is what makes Yost truly special. I'll probably get blasted for this, but the way it pumps up the home team is like nothing you will ever experience at a sports game. The arena is small, only 6900 at best, with about a fourth of that students, so it is more of a community than a football game or even an NHL game. The team feeds off the students and the students feed of the team. Some of our chants are:

"ULGY PARENTS!" whenever the opposing teams parent section cheers after an opposing goal

"UGLY GOALIE!" whenever the opposing goalies takes off his mask

"SEIVE, SEIVE, SEIVE, SEIVE, ITS ALL YOUR FAULT" (repeat, pointing at the opposing goalie) whenever Michigan scores

"C'YA, CHUMP, DICK, WUSS, DOUCHEBAG, *******, PRICK, CHEATER, *****, *****, ****" (pointing to the opposing player who has just taken a penalty)

...and more

when Michigan State comes, the real fun begins:

"CAN'T READ, CAN'T WRITE"

"SMOKE GREEN, SNORT WHITE"

"IF YOU CANT GET INTO COLLEGE, GO TO STATE" (repeat)

and, like the flyers fans,

"f*** THE SPARTANS/BUCKEYES/IRISH"

If you're ever in Ann Arbor, go see Michigan play MSU at Yost and if you sit in the student section, you will see how the energy is like nothing at any NHL arena.

Edited April 18, 2008 by redwinger4747

[Frozen-Man 144]

I think there a bunch of places that have childish chants like that. I remember here in Edmonton during the '06 Cup run it was "******** Chee-choo" and "******** Tee-mu" when they were playing the Sharks and the Ducks. They were pretty classless and obnoxious, but every fan base has its group like that. EDIT* I must add that these chants were not during the game, they were on Whyte Ave, Edmonton's Bar scene area, so everyone there was over 18, and drunk - not streaming out of the coliseum in front of kids and parents.

At least some people had some more creative ones, like painting "Titties for Smytty (Ryan Smyth)" on girls T-shirts. Or "Shirts off for Samsonov" or even "Thongs for Prongs". Though it might seem lame, I actually thought the funniest was on a guys sign at one of the games - it read; "Whats a TEEMU, anyways?". Hahaha, maybe you had to be there....

That is from a song by the Arogent Worms.

[Wing Across The Pond 196]

i guess i wouldnt really mind if they hated ovech for some reason other than he's better than any of their own players.... hate someone for a reason, not because they're better than you.... for that you gotta admire him

[UKWING 8]

wow - a 4 page thread cos a group of fans said f*ck. it is a good thing none of you have ever been to upton park!!

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

It's good to see fans showing passion, and they're real hockey fans, not like those cow-bred hicks in Trashville.

I have no problem with this, and I wish Wings fans were passionate enough to shout chants like this at Tootoo or Pronger.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Love it! Save class for when you go to the symphony.

[FinRedWing 172]

Somebody please stamp this one as "Classic"!

wow - a 4 page thread cos a group of fans said f*ck. it is a good thing none of you have ever been to upton park!!

I have!

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Fair enough, but in response to that, if the parents know anything about hockey games then they should know what they're getting into by attending one with their children. I hear at least one swear word per game when watching FSN, that kind of language is extremely prevalent at these types of events.

I could totally see your point if this was a little league crowd doing this, but not a mature audience of a sport where men beat the living hell out of each other on a nightly basis. The double standard of deeming the hurtful violence appropriate but meaningless swear words inappropriate just doesn't fly with me.

The point of myself and Frozen-man is that you shouldn't have to explain that type of behavior to your kids. People should be respectful enough not to swear at the top of their lungs where kids are present.

Nothing more to this.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I wouldn't mind taking a kid to the game, I would just explain to them that they are not to repeat what they hear. If my kid did repeat what he heard, I would stop taking him until he was a little older. I still stand by my opinion: the complete and utter vulgarity and torment that we Michigan fans direct to the opposing team is what makes Yost truly special. I'll probably get blasted for this, but the way it pumps up the home team is like nothing you will ever experience at a sports game. The arena is small, only 6900 at best, with about a fourth of that students, so it is more of a community than a football game or even an NHL game. The team feeds off the students and the students feed of the team. Some of our chants are:

"ULGY PARENTS!" whenever the opposing teams parent section cheers after an opposing goal

"UGLY GOALIE!" whenever the opposing goalies takes off his mask

"SEIVE, SEIVE, SEIVE, SEIVE, ITS ALL YOUR FAULT" (repeat, pointing at the opposing goalie) whenever Michigan scores

"C'YA, CHUMP, DICK, WUSS, DOUCHEBAG, *******, PRICK, CHEATER, *****, *****, ****" (pointing to the opposing player who has just taken a penalty)

...and more

when Michigan State comes, the real fun begins:

"CAN'T READ, CAN'T WRITE"

"SMOKE GREEN, SNORT WHITE"

"IF YOU CANT GET INTO COLLEGE, GO TO STATE" (repeat)

and, like the flyers fans,

"f*** THE SPARTANS/BUCKEYES/IRISH"

If you're ever in Ann Arbor, go see Michigan play MSU at Yost and if you sit in the student section, you will see how the energy is like nothing at any NHL arena.

For the hundredth time, this has nothing to do with the energy you create or it gives your team. You don't seem to be getting that.

[vangvace 12]

Let's start by saying that I do believe fan is short for fanatic and alcohol is a big cause of it. Actually, I should be more specific in saying the amount of alcohol consumed in many cases.

listen to the crowd during the game.....its a lot worse.

Very true. On and off the ice, field, turf, or floor. It isn't even contained to the pro or college level either.

14 years ago I got a jig umpiring kids tball for the local private school. So here I am doing my thing being in all of 8th grade (looking every bit of it too) and the kids parents are heckling and cursing me out. It's F'ING TBALL! the kids were at most nine years old and the fans are dropping f-bombs?!?

You are correct that kids will hear this type of thing. But we as a society used to have some sense of propriety. We realized that there are times and places where things may not be appropriate. It used to be that society realized and respected the people around them. The debate (at least in my opinion) is not so much about when the kids hear it but rather whether the fans are classless when they engage in such behavior when: (1) children may be exposed to language, attitudes, and behaviour that are are far less than model, and (2) they are cursing a player on another team who is not dirty or cheap and plays with his heart and soul every shift. It is just a question of whether people should take into account thier surroundings when they engage in certain behavior. Most parents would be furious with their kids for the exact same condut if the kids did it at a junior high or high school sporting event and perhaps we should try to hold ourselves to the level that we hold our kids.

I honestly believe that the majority, well maybe not majority but most noticeable, of society refuses to take blame for anything anymore. It was the parents, the neighborhood, the school bully, anything but themselves. Lack of punishment isn't helping either (time out or otherwise). Hell, I have to be carefully with how I scold my troops because they have to feel special even though they could have killed somebody. If I don't then I'm in trouble and need counseling in how to communicate with others. W T F

Add into it how distant technology has allowed society to become towards one another. Yup distant. We can now email, play games, and post on message boards with people around the world. But now we do less and less face to face with people. Emailing and texting friends and family instead of visiting. Talking on a cell phone while bumping into people because your call is more important than those around you. Sitting kids in front of the Disney babysitting channel. (Yup I've crossed to full hypocrite on that one). Listening to you ipod and having it so loud that people around you hear it or your singing the song

An adage my mentor at work told me is "Don't email when you can call and don't call when you can meet."

Sorry for the rant

[nkuehnl 0]

The point of myself and Frozen-man is that you shouldn't have to explain that type of behavior to your kids. People should be respectful enough not to swear at the top of their lungs where kids are present.

Nothing more to this.

And my point is that it's the parent's fault for putting the children into a situation where this type of language is acceptable. The whole world can't be child proof.

Edited April 19, 2008 by nkuehnl

[ILWingsFan1 0]

Fair enough, but in response to that, if the parents know anything about hockey games then they should know what they're getting into by attending one with their children. I hear at least one swear word per game when watching FSN, that kind of language is extremely prevalent at these types of events.

I could totally see your point if this was a little league crowd doing this, but not a mature audience of a sport where men beat the living hell out of each other on a nightly basis. The double standard of deeming the hurtful violence appropriate but meaningless swear words inappropriate just doesn't fly with me.

I agree. I don't go to a kids' hockey game, Chuck E. Cheese or a park on a Saturday afternoon and swear, but I'm not going to censor myself at a playoff hockey game. I'm not one to yell f*ck anybody, but I hear that word countless times during a game. If's your kid's ears are that fragile, leave him home. Then I won't have to worry about him kicking the back of my seat either.

I had some mom get all huffy with me and my friend once because my friend sad "damn" in front of her precious children, who looked to be about 12 years old. Yeah, they haven't heard that and worse at school by now.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

And my point is that it's the parent's fault for putting the children into a situation where this type of language is acceptable. The whole world can't be child proof.

My point is that is shouldn't be acceptable! Why shouldn't families be able to take in a professional sporting event together without the fear of hearing idiot fans chanting vulgarities.

[cirov19 1]

As much as I love Ovechkin I have to admit that this is funny.

[Z and D for the C 712]

wow, fans happy about their team acting enthusiastically and geting into it and having fun. THE HORROR

I would love to do something like that after a game. Remember the two "bulls***" chants at the joe this year? OMG WE'RE SO NOT UP TO THE LAME STANDARDS OF BORING HOCKEY SNOBS. DIS MANTLE THE RED WINGS.

The kids are going to swear in their life anyway. Big deal if they hear it a bit "early".

Jeez.

Edited April 19, 2008 by Z and D for the C

[nkuehnl 0]

My point is that is shouldn't be acceptable! Why shouldn't families be able to take in a professional sporting event together without the fear of hearing idiot fans chanting vulgarities.

The same reason those families shouldn't expect pleasantries when they go to an R rated movie.

There's booze flowing and there's men beating each other with sticks, fists, and bodychecks. Why is violence acceptable for a 8 year old girl but hearing "f***" isn't?