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The way the Wings are playing, I don't think who the goalie is really matters. The Nashville

series was a good learning experience for this team. They are kicking on all cylinders now and I am in Hockey Heaven !

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Another article where Q says Jose is in for 3.

Seriously?

Does he have a tee time he just HAS to make? Or, seeing how futile it would be to try and beat us, did he go to Vegas and put it all on the Wings for this round?

Someone mentioned confidence and trust. Didn't we yank Hasek and put in our other goalie? Difference being that we KEPT GOING with the hot hand. How much confidence does a team really have left in its goalie when the guy has let in 8 goals in 2 games?

Quenneville said he does not expect to make a goaltender change.

http://sports.iwon.com/news/04262008/v1214.html

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The way Avs defense was playing in games 1 & 2 putting Theo or Budaj in the net doesnt really matter either way.

But i wonder what kind of boost having Petter Forskin back in the lineup, maybe he wants a rematch with McCarty??? :D

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There's such a thing as having confidence and staying on a sinking ship. Jose is rattled, the Wings know how to beat him. If they get one or two early ones past Jose in Game 3, this series is over, regardless of who plays in the remaining games.

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Either Joel Q is a genius or an idiot. I'm leaning towards idiot.

If he is just saying that Theo will have the start but with absolutely no intentions of really starting him, then he is a genius. If he really is starting him, then he's a comacasi idiot.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's using a tactic to try to prevent the Detroit Red Wing staff from getting that extra edge.

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Its like the same situation that Babcock faced with Hasek struggling, but imo Osgood's proved that he's more than a backup which everybody outside of Wing fans thinks he is. I wouldn't leave Theodore in. The next game is key for the Av's. If they lose the series what will he say then? At least for game 3 I would, and if Budaj has a bad outing then go back to Theodore.

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WHy won't they play the only Colorado goalie who's been decent against the Wings? Jose must be on the edge of "not being sick". I hate to talk like this out of fear that Jose will just come out and dominate, but after the fun of today's game, I might as well:

Keep setting him up and we'll keep knocking him down.

Just so long as we can score on Budaj, too, that is.

To be honest, I dont think Theodore has the ability to dominate a game against us. If you look at the goalies that hurt us, they're either good goaltenders with a ton of confidence and can handle all kinds of pressure (Giguere, Kipper, etc.) or they're no-name goaltenders who are playing with absolutely no pressure to steal games and aren't expected to win (Ellis, Roloson, etc.). Theo doesnt fall into either of those cases. Hes a goalie of a relatively big market team who is fighting not only for demanding fans, but also for his career reputation. Hes under a ton of pressure and doesn't have the mental game to handle it. And when you combine that with the fact that hes probably not used to facing teams with dynamic offensive games (how many times do the Avs face Vancouver and Minny?), I think we got him down. I think if Colorado is gonna keep us from scoring itll be either through Budaj or through an incredibly tight defensive performance.

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Joel is a moron if he continues to play Theo, but whatever..all the more power for the Wings!

They asked him in the PC about Franzen and he had such attitude about it. "Well ya know..his stick has been hot lately."

Uhh NO, not lately. Try the last month in a half, jackass.

Well when they ask an opposing coach a question like that after his team just got their butts kicked in game 2, he's not going to jump for joy and sing Franzen's praises.

Anyway, don't jinx the Wings, guys. It takes 4 games to move on, not 2. I do not expect the Avs to roll over and give up.

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Theodore knows he's been playing like s*** and is going to work that much harder to prove himself. Especially in front of the home crowd. He should get one more chance.

In the event of him playing horrible, Q should pull him on the second or third goal.. depending on how nice/cheap the goals were, rather then waiting for them to be down 4 goals.

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Q ball wins the LGW Jack Adams award. If such a thing does not exist, it does now.

If these reports are all really true, this is absolute blessing. Sieve looked great in the Minnesota series, but should that really be of any surprise to people? This is MINNESOTA we're talking about. They are basically the bastard child cousins of the New Jersey Devils, without the success of course.

Who on that team is really going to put any sort pressure or install a sense of fear on an opposing teams goaltender? The name Marian Gaborik might pop up to some people at first thought, but he really proved this year that he's a cream puff. If he couldn't handle Adam Foote, who's no longer in his prime (and hasn't been for a while) then how could he handle a real defenseman like Lidstrom or Phaneuf? And, then, after Gaborik, who's left? Demitra? Mark Parrish? PM Bouchard? That's not much, if you ask me.

Sieve had it good against Minnesota, because they sucked. They thrived off of stuffy defensive play, and only that. Once they lost some key defenseman to untimely injuries (Nick Schultz, and a couple of others), they were toast. The writing was on the wall from the beginning. They couldn't score goals, and if their defense goes down, then what? That's been the question all season, something that was never answered.

I'm not going to completely discredit Sieve on what some may describe as a "turnaround season" for him, but he's nothing like he used to be. He hasn't shown shades of his Montreal form, and it's been like that for at least 3+ years now. Maybe he can earn himself a spot on a team who needs a goalie (see: Tampa), but he's not the same player he once was, and I think that's been obvious for a long time.

Edited by Kp-Wings

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I said almost the same exact thing on another board, except I think I went with a Roy-Sawchuk-Hasek hybrid :)

Well, I know if Sawchuck cheated with huge pads like Roy he would have never lost a game.

Roy and Hasek being spoke of in the same breath with Sawchuck is a huge error IMO.

I bet Sawchuck in those giant pads couldn't have done much either though. When the Wings play the Avs it is no contest. As long as they play...

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Economic question:

If a goalkeep only plays part-time, what is the cap-hit on that?

If you're referring to players coming frequently coming up from minors and sent down (eg. Jimmy Howard) then the teams's cap hit for that player is calculated based on the amount of days the player is on the active roster. So basically it's the average salary multiplied by the days on the active roster divided by total days in the contract (187 days).

So Howard's cap hit is:

$733,333 x 32 days on active roster / 187 = $125,490.

Does that answer the question?

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Lets keep in mind that by the time Budaj was put in, the Wings didn't need any more goals, so there was no need to press hard for another one. Did Budaj make some big saves at times? Yes. But I mean, he didn't feel anywhere near the pressure the Wings put on JT earlier in the games. And the game was already out of hand for the Avs, so the goalie came in feeling no pressure and just played. It's easier to feel no pressure and play goalie than to have the weight of the team sitting on your shoulders in a 0-0 game in tbe playoffs. Just my 2 cents.

I think if the Avs played the same in front of Budaj as they have been with JT in net, the outcome would be similar.

I do not see THIS Avs team (this is not 1999) coming back in this series. Detroit needs 1 of the next 2 and we'll end it in 5. I predicted Wings in 5 in the guessing game on LGW, thinking I was nuts. Turns out I could very well be correct!

If they get back Forsberg, the Wings will have to adjust to that as just having Forsberg in the lineup is a major difference, whether he's somewhat of an offensive generator or not.

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not on Theo

At least Lapierre (must as I dislike him for trying to murder Nick) stood up for his goalie. :thumbup:

If Q goes with Theodore, good for him. And probably good for the Wings, too.

You know, as cold as it sounds, this is no time for sticking with a player based on allegiances or what have you. Just because Theodore got them to Round 2 doesn't mean if he goes cold or starts allowing bad goals that they should stick with him. The Avs should play the guys that give them the best chance to win. Maybe Q doesn't have much faith in Budaj. If that's the case, then I can see his thinking if he plays JT. But if Q is just going with JT based on the idea that since jT got them here, he has the right to play, that's flawed thinking if you are trying to win a cup.

In my opinion it's too much work and too much effort to blow a series and get knocked out of the Cup race just because you feel bad about a decision you have to make. I think if Babcock didn't pull Hasek, we may not have made it to Round 2 sadly.

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In my opinion it's too much work and too much effort to blow a series and get knocked out of the Cup race just because you feel bad about a decision you have to make. I think if Babcock didn't pull Hasek, we may not have made it to Round 2 sadly.

we'll never know now, will we? I don't think Babcock feels bad about it at all.

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To quote Jay-Z

On the, rise to the top, many drop, don't forget

In order to survive, gotta learn to live with regrets

You can't get attached to a player, no matter what he has done for you in the recent or distant past. Regardless of his health, life, focus, whatever else if you want to be successful you will have to bench him. When Yzerman's career was coming to an end he knew he was better served on the 3rd or 4th line, he played there and didn't complain about minutes. If Theodore is about winning a cup he would be able to accept a lesser role, or be able to say, he I played bad and it is Budaj ship to run with now, sort of like one Det netminder did this playoffs.

Quenville needs to be able to step up and say, we appreciate what Theodore did, but at this point it is best for the team if Budaj starts!

But far be it for me to complain that he is putting a notoriously streaky goaltender in a vital and pivotal game 3 in his own barn, who is currently mired in a 4 goal and sit on the bench streak! I mean hey if he wants to hand the series over to Det why not let him.

2 things can happen from this

1. Theodore makes a miracle come back and steals game 3, giving the crowd and the team enough energy to be in game 4.

2. Theodore gives up 4 goals in less than 2 periods again, the crowd is completely zapped of all energy, thus making a comeback in game 3 damn near impossible and all but handing game 4 to the wings.

Now obviously he could give up less than 4 goals, however unless he gets the win, the crowd and the team will be zapped.

Now inversely if Budaj starts and loses, there is still hope, the team and the crowd will still believe that the goaltender could steal the game, especially if they lose by one or two goals. If they can be close for more than the first 10 minutes, hope is still alive.

I think game 3 is vital for COL to win, if Quenville doesn't make the change I believe he is, indirectly, conceding the win to Det not just for the game but the series.

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I'm genuinely surprised. I didn't think Quenneville was that stupid. But hey, our boys know how to beat Theodore, so all the better for us. And Franzen proved today that he can beat Budaj, so we're fine either way.

Even still, I'd rather Theodore get the nod tomorrow night. Sick or not, he's playing with zero confidence and the Wings offense is playing with every bit of it.

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Even still, I'd rather Theodore get the nod tomorrow night. Sick or not, he's playing with zero confidence and the Wings offense is playing with every bit of it.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong - I want Theodore in. To borrow a phrase that someone once used to refer to Turco...if you crack open Jose's head, Red Wings fall out.

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<-- I defer to my avatar

Hey Tay-door is the 2nd coming of an Elite goalie you gotta play him and play him a lot... At least start the game cause the fans would be in an uproar if Boodah was started instead of Tay-door... even though Boodah has only given up 1 goal in a about 3 periods of play against the same wings team Tay-door got lit up against

Play Tay-Door by all means

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I think that Joel Q is a total fool if he starts Theo. Apparently he cares more about protecting the bruised ego of his starter, then he does about getting back into the series. Budaj has been reasonably sharp. In my mind, it's a no brainer.

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