Former Wings that jumped ship

[JoeBuddy 10]

I had heard a rumor some time back that Shanahan made the move to NYR because he was looking to set up a job with the NHL after he retires. Has anyone else ever heard that?

I remember him saying that he wanted a job in broadcasting after he retired. He felt that New York gave him the best opportunity to do that. Well, are doing just fine without him.

[Nev 1,085]

I wasn't too sorry to see Shanny go - he had become little more than a sniper, no more the power forward of the 90s. I remember his last season, someone described it as "the quietest 40 goal season ever". And his goalscoring in the playoffs has tailed right off.

Good luck to him, and thanks for all the memories, but it was time for us to part.

[MississippiWing 14]

I know it's old. But, if you hate something bad enough does it stop after a certain amount of time? I hate the New York Yankees more than anything in the world of sports. I dont think time will change that.

Maybe he's different. Or just wanted another cup who knows.

Maybe he saw the light. Maybe he saw a team who's players and ownership were committed to fielding the best team possible year in and out, and who feel making the playoffs is the most basic goal of the team.

[Yemack 1]

I wonder if Hull is happy right now

[Wing Fanatic 3]

I wonder if Hull is happy right now

I am sure he is just thrilled that his team is getting schooled Let's see what tonight brings!

[miksteri 55]

im sure that Schneider and Bitchtuzzi love the golf courses in anaheim.

[Saran 1]

i think bertuzzi went to anaheim mainly because WE didnt want him, not hte other way around. I loved schneider, him and lids were unstoppable on the PP, i dont miss him as much since we easily filled his presence with RAFFY!

[Kronwall55 0]

Maybe Schneider is the bad luck LOL. He came to the Wings in 2003 (Sean Avery was one of the players we traded for Schneider). The Wings, the defending Stanley Cup Champions were swept by the Ducks in the first round that year.

Now Schneider goes to the Ducks, the defending Stanley Cup Champions and what happened again??

[Guest Crymson]

I know it's old. But, if you hate something bad enough does it stop after a certain amount of time? I hate the New York Yankees more than anything in the world of sports. I dont think time will change that.

Maybe he's different. Or just wanted another cup who knows.

Chelios has said that he's extremely grateful to Detroit for giving him another chance when many thought he should retire and in doing so revitalizing his career, and that he considers Detroit his home as a result.

[Guest Crymson]

I've been on Allducks.com boards from time to time and alot of people were not happy with Schneider or Bertuzzi's performance.. Personally i would of loved to have them both still mostly Big Bert. I think the wings could of used Bert better then how the Ducks did.

Anyrate, I think Bert is happier then Schneider just because Schneider was with the wings for the longer period of time and he knows he easily could of been winning a cup this year instead of golfing.

Ross McKeon (though I don't like him) put it best: "Franzen is now filling the role that Bertuzzi so pathetically failed to fill for the Red Wings in last year's playoffs."

We really don't need Bert, and this year proved that he ain't all that anymore.

i think bertuzzi went to anaheim mainly because WE didnt want him, not hte other way around. I loved schneider, him and lids were unstoppable on the PP, i dont miss him as much since we easily filled his presence with RAFFY!

Holland offered Bert an incentive-laden $3m, 1-year contract. Given Bert's injury history and his performance in the playoffs, this was a prudent move on Kenny's part. Burke then offered Bertuzzi a two-year contract with a base salary of $4m/year, and that was that. As it turns out, that was a hideous move. $4m for a 40-point scorer who is hideous defensively is a very, very bad bargain. Bad move by Burkie, good move by Kenny.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Crymson

[GiantRobot 0]

IMO:

Schneider Markov << Rafalski Stuart

unhealthy hurting Bert < Helm or Mac

Bingo!!!

[WhiteLightning91 105]

Ross McKeon (though I don't like him) put it best: "Franzen is now filling the role that Bertuzzi so pathetically failed to fill for the Red Wings in last year's playoffs."

We really don't need Bert, and this year proved that he ain't all that anymore.

Holland offered Bert an incentive-laden $3m, 1-year contract. Given Bert's injury history and his performance in the playoffs, this was a prudent move on Kenny's part. Burke then offered Bertuzzi a two-year contract with a base salary of $4m/year, and that was that. As it turns out, that was a hideous move. $4m for a 40-point scorer who is hideous defensively is a very, very bad bargain. Bad move by Burkie, good move by Kenny.

But Brian Burke is the Jesus of NHL GM's still, right???

(Yes, I am sick of hearing how great Burke is.)

[SweWings 45]

I wonder if Hull is happy right now

I can't believe the guy is the GM of a Conference finalist. For some reason that still sounds weird...

[Opie 308]

I can't believe the guy is the GM of a Conference finalist. For some reason that still sounds weird...

That is because most of the team was in place when he got there!

[lfd250 1]

Schneider went home plan and simple. Same with Shanny. There wasn't any amount that would have kept Schneider here. He wanted to go back to Cali. Shanny wanted to be closer to NY and his family in Canada there. Dandunalt (SP) was the same when he went to the Habs. Burt was a flop, he went to where the money was. Feds, he went to were his head would fit and wouldn't play second fiddle to Stevie. There was ( may be still is ) a rumor that Cheli wants to retire a Blackhawk. Players just have reasons for leaving. As long as they play hard when they're here I don't care where they go or why. Just play hard.

[Grim 5]

why bash the Ducks... they just weren't hungry enough this year. Bert and Schneids, despite their own troubles, thought they were following the money and the Cup. who would blame them?

Avery has certainly come into his own in NY. His brash and abrasive style would do well in the East. he'd be pounded flat with the toughness in the West. Shanny's (God bless him) game is on the decline... he really ought to think about hangin em up. I could see him coming back for one more year, to perhaps Toronto.

I definitely wouldnt attribute the Red Wings recent success to subtraction... but rather from the maturing play of Zets and Datsyuk. I truly wouldve never thunk it, but Zetterberg is playing out of his gourd. he is a bonafide threat every shift. I can't wait to see him tested in the Finals. If he continues to shine, look out! Foppa who???

[ltgator333 3]

What's even more ironic is how much we hated him. I remember hating playing the dirty S.O.B. but now that he's playing dirty for us, we love him.

Thank you!

As for Bert and Schnieder.. screw 'em. Apparently they weren't necessary tools to the team anyway. Rafalski was/is a better defensive player, that doesn't take nearl the penalties that Schnieder did, and scored a good chunk of points to boot. Bert.. meh.. how about that Franzen?

[Kronwall55 0]

Schneider went home plan and simple. Same with Shanny. There wasn't any amount that would have kept Schneider here. He wanted to go back to Cali. Shanny wanted to be closer to NY and his family in Canada there. Dandunalt (SP) was the same when he went to the Habs. Burt was a flop, he went to where the money was. Feds, he went to were his head would fit and wouldn't play second fiddle to Stevie. There was ( may be still is ) a rumor that Cheli wants to retire a Blackhawk. Players just have reasons for leaving. As long as they play hard when they're here I don't care where they go or why. Just play hard.

Cheli will retire a Red Wing

[Wing Fanatic 3]

Cheli will retire a Red Wing

Yeah, I think he will retire a Wing too.

[sixer 37]

Cheli will retire a wing, no doubt about it. He'd retire as a Hab before a hawk.

[donfishmaster 62]

If Chelios hadn't come here, he would have been expected to carry a MUCH bigger chunk of the load at Chicago/elsewhere. Consequently, he NEVER would have had the longevity anywhere else like he has here.

[T.Low 1,011]

Wings are in a better position now than they were a year ago without those two guys. I thought Bert would have stayed for less money but he wasn't worth $4mil guaranteed per year for two years with his injury problems. And Schneider at his age wasn't worth it, especially since they paid Rafalski pretty much the same. I like Rafalski over the long term better anyways.

First of all, to the original poster, thanks for posting this. I can't help but wonder the same thing. Toward the end of their careers are they going to look back at the opportunity they had...but walked away from it because they were a little too greedy?

Secondly, I agree, this team is dynamite. At the beginning of the season, this forum was so worried about the lack of scoring power on this team.

[Kp-Wings 3]

That is because most of the team was in place when he got there!

Kinda like that Ken Holland fellow, right?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'm sure a healthy Bertuzzi would've loved to have been riding Franzens coattails during the Avs series. I did want him back, but for the contract he got, I was fine with him leaving. Besides, he isnt the same player he used to be. He isnt vicious anymore, he's kind of passive now, the Moore incident ruined him. Plus, he didnt even score 20 goals with Perry and Getzlaf....

Schnieder I loved and would still take back, Rafalski is great too, Schnieder made the wrong decision, but he wanted to be part of the Stanley Cup champs and he got his chance. Too bad he's watching all of his old buddies become cup champs this year.

[FlaWingsFan 0]

First, I don't blame Schneider at all for taking a contract with the ducks. He loves California and wanted to go back and he had the opportunity. I had no doubt that he would leave because of how much trouble we had signing him in the first place after we aquired him. I wish him well, I'd welcome him back any day, good player, good guy, did a great job while with the Wings.

Bert, went for the money, thinks he is better than he is, thought he might want to sign for less to be on a winner. Bert, not very smart.

Also, while Cheli was traded here he did have a choice. He had a no trade clause which he waived in order for the deal to get done for him to come to Detroit. I, unlike a lot of folks here it seems, loved Cheli always. From watching him in the Olympics playing for Team USA I loved his style, his passion and no non sense play. I loved watching him play for the Habs, cheered for him when he hoisted the cup and laughed when everyone in Detroit boo'd and hissed at him while in Chicago. I've been very happy he has chosen to stay with the Wings and think he will retire a Wing. If he does retire as a Blackhawk, it will be mostly ceremonial I'm pretty certain.

Shanny saw the writing on the wall and with Stevie retiring, Dats and Hank stepping up to assume leadership, he knew it was time to move on. I am pretty sure he chose NY because it would put him in the perfect place to make the connections he'd need to secure a job after hockey as well as family and his ties there from his days in New Jersey. Loved having him in Detroit and think he is a pretty classy person.

Federov I couldn't have been happier to see him leave. Extremely talented, extremely selfish, extremely over inflated ego. Quite obvious he wasn't as great as everyone made him out to be, for all can see that once he left Detroit he was just a middle of the road player who never established himself again. After sitting out a season over a contract dispute and then forcing the Wings to match a ridiculous offer made by the Hurricane's, showed me his true colour and what kind of person he really was; one that wasn't right for the Red Wings.