Putting a Foward on D...

[Wing Across The Pond 196]

Just to set the record straight I'm not saying do this NOW..... but would you ever think of putting a Forward like Dats or Z on D to help maximise scoring.... i mean if hes the best defensive forward in the NHL (my opinion anyway) then surely he's better playing their than Sammy.... I mean I know Sammy has a good shot from distance but he's not exactly the best man to have if there's a breakaway. Surely someone with speed and defensive ability could do the job.... and then you'd have 4 attacking players whilst not compromising much D.

just a thought i had but please.... do discuss.

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

sammy's only on D on the PP. dats wouldnt go on the point because hes on the first PP.

the question is, why the f*** is brad stuart not on the PP. SAMMY CANNOT HIT THE NET.

[Guest Crymson]

sammy's only on D on the PP. dats wouldnt go on the point because hes on the first PP.

the question is, why the f*** is brad stuart not on the PP. SAMMY CANNOT HIT THE NET.

Stuart is not an offensive defenseman, and he is a left-handed shot whereas Sammy is a right-handed shot.

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

Stuart is not an offensive defenseman, and he is a left-handed shot whereas Sammy is a right-handed shot.

i know that, but he still has a better shot then sammy. he can move the puck around pretty good. sammy just dances around like a ballerina. like i seriously cant remember the last time ive seen him hit the net from the point. always goes over the net.

[Saran 1]

i know that, but he still has a better shot then sammy. he can move the puck around pretty good. sammy just dances around like a ballerina. like i seriously cant remember the last time ive seen him hit the net from the point. always goes over the net.

yeah on TSN they were saying that he is #4 for shots on goal in the playoffs. 50+ (probably 60+ now) shots and only 2 god damn goals!

[tommingthepuck96 1]

yeah on TSN they were saying that he is #4 for shots on goal in the playoffs. 50+ (probably 60+ now) shots and only 2 god damn goals!

Wings need to pick up a offensive right handed forward in the off-season. Maltby, mcarty, and of course samuelsson are obviousey not really the best offensive guys.

Samulesson only gets the ice time because of his right-handed shot, but obviousley he has some sort of offensive skills, since babcock one of the best coaches ever gives him so much ice time, but he doesnt have second line skills.

Edited May 15, 2008 by tommingthepuck96

[toby91_ca 620]

A defensive forward doesn't necessarily make for a good defenseman. Fedorov was the perfect example of someone you would throw on the point for a powerplay, but I'm not so sure about Datsyuk or Zetterberg, yes, they are good defensively, but how would they do on a one on one playing as a defenseman? Also, neither guy has an overwhelming shot from the point, so it wouldn't make much sense.

[eva unit zero 271]

A defensive forward doesn't necessarily make for a good defenseman. Fedorov was the perfect example of someone you would plug into any spot on in the lineup because he was an utterly complete player, but I'm not so sure about Datsyuk or Zetterberg, yes, they are good defensively, but how would they do on a one on one playing as a defenseman? Also, neither guy has an overwhelming shot from the point, so it wouldn't make much sense.

Fixed.

[egroen 384]

I would be willing to see them pick up Fedorov *just* for the point on that second power play. That unit has been pretty successful, imagine if we had a legitimate point man?

[Jasper84 333]

I may be wrong, so someone who knows more about Sammy can correct me. But, doesn't Babs like Sammy because he has a rocket of a shot, and uses him to cause rebounds, which can lead to goals? I understand a lot of people don't like Sammy, including myself, because he's not that great of a player, but just because he doesn't score doesn't necessarily mean he's useless. I've sort of gotten used to the idea that he's there for his powerful shot, and to cause rebounds. It would be nice to see him put it on net more of course.

[toby91_ca 620]

Fixed.

agreed

[PaVel DaTsYuK fan13 0]

I don't like it. In game 3 Zetterberg got that shorthander because Richards was on the point. We can't afford to move Dats or Hank to the point, and I don't think we have anyone else whose good enough defensively and on the point to be worth moving there.

[egroen 384]

It's why Babcock liked Schneider -- powerful shot that created havok no matter where it ended up. Schneider had pretty awful aim too, but Sammy's is on a whole other level.

Is Eriksson right-handed? I would still rather see Chelios there than Sammy, but I am sure Cheli's speed is the issue.

[heikks86 21]

I may be wrong, so someone who knows more about Sammy can correct me. But, doesn't Babs like Sammy because he has a rocket of a shot, and uses him to cause rebounds, which can lead to goals? I understand a lot of people don't like Sammy, including myself, because he's not that great of a player, but just because he doesn't score doesn't necessarily mean he's useless. I've sort of gotten used to the idea that he's there for his powerful shot, and to cause rebounds. It would be nice to see him put it on net more of course.

That would probally work if Sammy could hit the net but it always flys over the net so there is no rebound for second chance goals

[Opie 308]

I would be willing to see them pick up Fedorov *just* for the point on that second power play. That unit has been pretty successful, imagine if we had a legitimate point man?

That and he was actually MONEY in the dot for WAS in the post season. Not that the wings really need more face off help, but IF he was on the Wings he would help in that category too.

For the record I don't want Feds back.

[egroen 384]

For the record I don't want Feds back.

I think he would fill a lot of our holes (not that they are that glaring)... just not sure what sort of money he will command. Be nice if he could be had on a year-to-year basis.

[Izzy24 44]

It's why Babcock liked Schneider -- powerful shot that created havok no matter where it ended up. Schneider had pretty awful aim too, but Sammy's is on a whole other level.

Is Eriksson right-handed? I would still rather see Chelios there than Sammy, but I am sure Cheli's speed is the issue.

I'm not sure if you're talking about Anders or Loui, but they're both left-handed shots.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Fixed.

Except between the pipes

[joshy207 156]

Throwing a forward on the point for a powerplay is common, but it's extremely rare for a forward to convert to defense full-time. The position is too tough for most forwards to grasp. Moving a defenseman to forward is much easier.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

A defensive forward doesn't necessarily make for a good defenseman. Fedorov was the perfect example of someone you would throw on the point for a powerplay, but I'm not so sure about Datsyuk or Zetterberg, yes, they are good defensively, but how would they do on a one on one playing as a defenseman? Also, neither guy has an overwhelming shot from the point, so it wouldn't make much sense.

Not only this (which BTW is dead on), but then you take away some of the effectiveness of your 1st PP Unit down low. Assuming you wouldn't touch the Lids-Raf defensive pairing on the 1st PP unit, the OP is suggesting that Dats or Z would play alongside Kronwall. If thats the case who would you insert in Dats or Z's place to make up for them not being up front during the first unit? There's no one on our roster that comes close to filling the void that Z would leave. Hudler might be a good option, but then you take him off the second unit, and he is a little easier to knock off the puck then Z.

Edited May 15, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25

[eva unit zero 271]

I'm not sure if you're talking about Anders or Loui, but they're both left-handed shots.

He's talking about Jonathan Ericsson, who is also a lefty.

[egroen 384]

I meant ours... spelled it wrong.

And I looked, he is left-handed as well.

[rick zombo 3,739]

It's why Babcock liked Schneider -- powerful shot that created havok no matter where it ended up. Schneider had pretty awful aim too, but Sammy's is on a whole other level.

Is Eriksson right-handed? I would still rather see Chelios there than Sammy, but I am sure Cheli's speed is the issue.

Except Scheider was replaced on the 1st PP unit by Rafalksi not Sammy. Even if Schneider was still on the team (instead of Brian) there would still be a void on the second PP unit.

[egroen 384]

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply Sammy replaced Schneider... just trying to draw a parallel as to why Babcock might like Samuelsson so much.

[union drone 0]

It's why Babcock liked Schneider -- powerful shot that created havok no matter where it ended up. Schneider had pretty awful aim too, but Sammy's is on a whole other level.

Is Eriksson right-handed? I would still rather see Chelios there than Sammy, but I am sure Cheli's speed is the issue.

Schneider, despite not always having the best aim, was pretty darn good at the give and go for the one timer from the point. Sammy just gets it, takes his time figuring out what he is going to do, takes a few strides, then fires a slapper that fools nobody and ends up getting blocked, deflected to the corner, or stopped.

Cheli is probably the one guy who has a harder time hitting the net than Sammy. Cheli's point shots end up nowhere near the net. He should start practicing the shot-pass, not that it would do him any good. I like Cheli, but he is a limited minute role playing defensive D-man at this point in his career.