I'm Scared...

[Donaldjr2448 43]

With all of the Penguins complaining over the calls, they finally got some that went there way. Now with that being said they only cashed in on 2 of them. I'm starting to think that the refs will look the other way now, because they see that the calls are not making any impact on the game. I have to agree that Ozzie has been run alot in this series espically from Fairy Roberts and that pisses me off, there should have been at least 3 calls on him, but thats ok were a better team for that. I just think that the refs are not going to call as many penalties tonight because I think Pittsburghs coach have kind of showed them up a little! Just my thoughts!! GO WINGS!!!!!

[Nightfall 871]

No, it's right. The one call for delay of game doesn't count to me, since it's non-discretionary; and you counted the 5 on 3 as one pp whereas I didn't. I counted the # of calls against per team minus the and automatic DOG call. If you factor out the coincidentals, you get:

6 for the Wings, 2 for the Pens. With a quick cut/paste:

PENALTY SUMMARY

1st Period

1) 02:11

Dallas Drake : Roughing - 2 min

2) 05:04

Pascal Dupuis : Cross checking - 2 min

2) 09:03

Brian Rafalski : Roughing - 2 min

3) 14:28

Kris Draper : Holding - 2 min

16:59

Maxime Talbot : Diving - 2 min

16:59

Brett Lebda : Cross checking - 2 min

17:55

Brooks Orpik : Roughing - 2 min

17:55

Johan Franzen : Elbowing - 2 min

2nd Period

2) 03:44

Jordan Staal : Interference - 2 min

4) 16:04

Brian Rafalski : Holding - 2 min

3rd Period

04:08

Marc-Andre Fleury served by Marian Hossa : Delay of game - 2 min

5) 09:36

Kirk Maltby : Hooking - 2 min

6) 10:10

Andreas Lilja : Interference - 2 min

This proves nothing but suggests that the Pens had the calls going their way for this game. And they still lost haha... and I think they are done for... But I think the refs should give 5 on 3's in the finals with non-borderline calls...

You can't count. I said 5-3 in power play opportunities. The 5 on 3 could be counted as 2, which would make it 6-3. Not 8-4 like you said. You may not agree with the delay of game call, but its still a penalty.

As for your suggestion that the Pens had the calls going their way in the game, its not accurate. The calls in the game, from a Wings fan's perspective, were quite good. Thats just my opinion though.

[dicksmack 33]

You can't count. I said 5-3 in power play opportunities. The 5 on 3 could be counted as 2, which would make it 6-3. Not 8-4 like you said. You may not agree with the delay of game call, but its still a penalty.

As for your suggestion that the Pens had the calls going their way in the game, its not accurate. The calls in the game, from a Wings fan's perspective, were quite good. Thats just my opinion though.

We're both right, depends how you look at it; though I misnumbered them above. If you're going to question bias, then you would factor out the coincidental calls and the automatic ones too, try to follow along next time.

[Opie 308]

Got to tell you, overall I am happy with the officials.

Have then been bad calls against the wings, yes but there were bad calls against the Pens.

[Nightfall 871]

We're both right, depends how you look at it; though I misnumbered them above. If you're going to question bias, then you would factor out the coincidental calls and the automatic ones too, try to follow along next time.

I don't see how anyone could follow along with you when you look at a stats sheet, and then you choose to omit some penalties or calls for certain reasons. Ah well, at least you admitted you mis numbered them so thats a start.

[gowingsgo 3]

We go out and handle business and there's nothing to worry about.

[TrueBlueblood 0]

Ok, I know in the NHL the team that is down in the game and down in the series will get favrable calls, and I am at peace with that because sometimes the Wings are that team.

However, I expect Game 5 to raise that theory to catastrophic heights. Consider the issues:

- Crosby and Pitt are the face/team of the new NHL and their marketing campaign. Their success, in the NHL's eyes, mean success for the league in the U.S.

- Therrien and Crosby have bitched and whined after every loss, and I (and I think Babs during his PC) believe that it was the reason for the 5 on 3 tonight. So giving the Pens a win in Game 5 would probably calm them and the fans.

- Detroit is the "evil empire" and most fans of other teams want them to lose. IMO, more people will watch a game to see the Wings lose than to see them win. And a loss in Game 5 will give more ratings for the casual viewer and the hardcore fan. Plus, Game 6's ratings will also be higher.

Now, I'm sure people will call most of this "conspiracy" talk unfounded, but I was really sickened at the 5 on 3 late in the game. Technically, it was a penalty, but a lot of more sure fire penalties were uncalled. A so/so penalty call in that situation is suspicious.

But, if the game is called evenly I will not be surprised... but I am not expecting it.

Do you have any idea how many fans of other teams hate the Penguins for the very reasons you stated above?? I'm a Ranger fan and am rooting hard for the Wings to put this team away. A lot of other fans on our message board-most of us-are rooting for the Wings, too.

And, yes, the Pens will again get the calls in their favor, but that hasn't been holding up your team at all and I think, in fact I KNOW, the Wings will want to put them away tonight, so don't worry. From an outsider's view of your team, I don't see the Wings blowing this game tonight.

Edited June 2, 2008 by TrueBlueblood

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

I am Nostradamus and I hate it.

[ben_usmc 253]

so you think Babs will be talking to someone about goal tender interference?

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

so you think Babs will be talking to someone about goal tender interference?

I want a ******* definition.

[ben_usmc 253]

When a Wings player tries to drive the net

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Whenever O'Hallaran is the official, you need to be afraid. You really got it right though, the officials were god awful tonight.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Whenever O'Hallaran is the official, you need to be afraid. You really got it right though, the officials were god awful tonight.

I knew, deep down, that it would happen. I wanted to believe that it would be fair and things would be even in the end. But, alas, a new interpretation of the goalie interference penalty was introduced in this game to everyone's surprise.

Edited June 3, 2008 by Wings_Dynasty

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Still can't ultimately blame the referees. The "goalie interference" penalties are retarded yes, but they gave the Wings their chance to win it all with a PP in double overtime. I didn't come on here right after the game b/c people were probably acting like they were going to jump off a building so I apologize if this has come up already, but you cannot blame them either for making that high sticking call that drew blood. In sudden death OT you let the players play unless something is just absolutely blatent and obvious to call. Unfortuately high sticking, whether accidental or not, is usually easy to identify assuming the referee sees the play. And before anybody jumps all over my case for sticking up for the refs, remember last year game 6 1st round against Calgary. We had a 4:00 PP for the exact same call and while we ultimately won that game, we didn't score on that PP. Again I hate the ridiculous goalie interference interpretations but the refs did not lose this game for the Wings.

[ThreeRiversFan 0]

Please tell me you arent blaming this game on the referees.......

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Please tell me you arent blaming this game on the referees.......

Me? Absolutely not.

[Firehawk 305]

All except Hudler's call in the OT period should not have been called, including the one on Sykora. They were letting alot go all night, and why they suddenly decided to start calling stuff was retarded, especially with so much on the line.

It's unfortunate that we had to take a penalty like that and lose on it. I really hope the wings can regroup from this. This is major adversity.

[Nightfall 871]

Please tell me you arent blaming this game on the referees.......

No way in hell am I blaming the refs either. The two goaltender interference penalities were ones I could have called if I were reffing. I can't argue with them thats for sure. When a player drives to the net UNINHIBITED and runs into the goalie, there should be a penalty call. As a goalie, if someone did that to me, I would be pissed if it wasn't called. Being able to drive the net is one thing. Running the goalie down is another.

The Wings have no one to blame but themselves. They came out in the first period and played like they expected to lift the cup. They played like the Pens were just going to give it to them. That is just as shameful as getting up by a goal in the 3rd period and then trying to hold the lead with 6 minutes to go. Horrible defense on the last goal too. Talbot had 2 whacks at that puck and no defenseman planted him on his ass.

Wings have no one to blame but themselves.

[Nightfall 871]

All except Hudler's call in the OT period should not have been called, including the one on Sykora. They were letting alot go all night, and why they suddenly decided to start calling stuff was retarded, especially with so much on the line.

It's unfortunate that we had to take a penalty like that and lose on it. I really hope the wings can regroup from this. This is major adversity.

I will agree with you there. The refs should have been calling a lot more than that. They reverted back to the pre lockout form of hockey. Not calling anything at all. Even when players were falling all over the place. Some of the calls could have been diving calls. Others were legit hooking, holding, and tripping calls. I counted 6 in the 2nd OT alone that could have went against either team.

[2probert4 8]

No way in hell am I blaming the refs either. The two goaltender interference penalities were ones I could have called if I were reffing. I can't argue with them thats for sure. When a player drives to the net UNINHIBITED and runs into the goalie, there should be a penalty call. As a goalie, if someone did that to me, I would be pissed if it wasn't called. Being able to drive the net is one thing. Running the goalie down is another.

The Wings have no one to blame but themselves. They came out in the first period and played like they expected to lift the cup. They played like the Pens were just going to give it to them. That is just as shameful as getting up by a goal in the 3rd period and then trying to hold the lead with 6 minutes to go. Horrible defense on the last goal too. Talbot had 2 whacks at that puck and no defenseman planted him on his ass.

Wings have no one to blame but themselves.

The Pittsburgh Penguins Broadcasting Company admitted both of the Goalie Interference calls were bad....which was surprising to me because when the Pens do anything right, they go on and on and on....Wings score, its brief and then next subject.

[Nightfall 871]

The Pittsburgh Penguins Broadcasting Company admitted both of the Goalie Interference calls were bad....which was surprising to me because when the Pens do anything right, they go on and on and on....Wings score, its brief and then next subject.

Announcers admitting the calls were bad doesn't mean s***. In the end, its still a call. And as a ref myself, I am just saying I saw why they were called. You put 100 different NHL refs on the ice for those situations, and maybe 40 of the 100 make those calls. To Wings fans its wrong. Well, its hockey.

[Icteria virens 11]

No way in hell am I blaming the refs either. The two goaltender interference penalities were ones I could have called if I were reffing. I can't argue with them thats for sure. When a player drives to the net UNINHIBITED and runs into the goalie, there should be a penalty call.

um, there was barely any contact on the first and how many goalie interference calls have they had on Osgood? He's been run alot more than MAF.

The only think of Cleary's that touched MAF was his flipping stick! that's it! Cleary slammed into the boards after far, far harder than MAF was touched. There is NO way that was goalie interference, no way at all. why? b/c his stick touched MAF as he was slamming into the boards behind him? strange interpretation of the rule.

and just because you're a ref in some beer league doesn't mean you know anything about reffing in the NHL. your comments prove as much.

[Nightfall 871]

um, there was barely any contact on the first and how many goalie interference calls have they had on Osgood? He's been run alot more than MAF.

The only think of Cleary's that touched MAF was his flipping stick! that's it! Cleary slammed into the boards after far, far harder than MAF was touched. There is NO way that was goalie interference, no way at all. why? b/c his stick touched MAF as he was slamming into the boards behind him? strange interpretation of the rule.

and just because you're a ref in some beer league doesn't mean you know anything about reffing in the NHL. your comments prove as much.

Its easy to make that judgement call watching from a television and drinking a beer. With the game being played at such a fast pace, the ref has to make a call on what he sees. I don't know what you have been watching, but when Hank bumped the goalie with no one on him, I said to myself "penalty". As a Wings fan, I hate the call, but as a ref I understand it. Same with Cleary's drive to the net and hit on the goalie with no one on him.

You are right, I don't know s*** about reffing in the NHL. However, its apparent that you don't know how reffing works at all. If you did, you would at least understand why the call was made. Helps if you take off the homer goggles.

IMHO, anyone who wants to complain about the reffing should at least ref a full game of hockey before they pass judgement. Its not easy and you will not get every call right no matter how hard you work at being the best ref out there.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I don't usually complain about the refereeing. But I was disappointed in it last night. The refs let all kinds of hooking, obstruction, and holding go on (from both sides.) The Wings get an OT power play on a chintzy, ticky-tack hook by Sykora, but the refs let the screamingly obvious obstruction of Zetterberg slide.....AND they call him offsides?

The Penguins got away with a LOT of obstruction last night. The Wings got away with a couple potential boarding calls. I don't necessarily mind "letting 'em play", but you have to draw the line somewhere.

And some kind of line has to be drawn about goalie interference, too. The way they were called last night, a goalie could position himself out of his crease, blocking a player's path to the net, get run over and draw a power play, with only a token effort at stopping the puck. I mean, who cares if it goes in, it'll just be waved off, right? Goalie interference should NEVER be called under ANY circumstance outside the crease.

[Nightfall 871]

I don't usually complain about the refereeing. But I was disappointed in it last night. The refs let all kinds of hooking, obstruction, and holding go on (from both sides.) The Wings get an OT power play on a chintzy, ticky-tack hook by Sykora, but the refs let the screamingly obvious obstruction of Zetterberg slide.....AND they call him offsides?

The Penguins got away with a LOT of obstruction last night. The Wings got away with a couple potential boarding calls. I don't necessarily mind "letting 'em play", but you have to draw the line somewhere.

And some kind of line has to be drawn about goalie interference, too. The way they were called last night, a goalie could position himself out of his crease, blocking a player's path to the net, get run over and draw a power play, with only a token effort at stopping the puck. I mean, who cares if it goes in, it'll just be waved off, right? Goalie interference should NEVER be called under ANY circumstance outside the crease.

I agree with your assesment for the most part. Both teams got away with way too much. A lot of diving and flopping around. A few cross checks and interference calls that were no brainers to me at least against both teams. The calls that were made were legit in my eyes.

As for the goalie interference, Fleury was in his crease both times he was bumped. I am not saying they were terrific calls, but I am saying that the ref sees a wings forward driving the net with the puck. With no defenseman on him, he bumps the goalie, knocking him down. Why can no one here see that play develop and wonder what is going on? If it happened to Osgood, the community would be up in arms about it....especially if they were scored on. Just because you have the puck and are driving the net doesn't mean if you don't score on your shot you can run into the goalie or bump him.

Fleury was tripped up a few times behind the net with no call. The only calls that were made were when he was in his crease.