Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Phoenix is still going to suck, but with Bryz and Olli, they're definately findign their way out of the forest. I'd say another forward and a defenseman and they could be a contender for 8th spot. If not for injuries and inexperience, they take the 8th seed last year. If Phoenix land one of Brad Stuart, Wade Redden or Brian Campbell, they'll be good next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Coyotes keep getting better at a cheap price, they did give away D though it seems like they need one more solid blueliner to compete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 I H8 U HOLLAND > Anyway, yay. Phoenix just got more fun to play against. You hating holland ... ? Are we speakin same holland that just got us the stanley cup? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Was only mocking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 I'm still having trouble believing Florida actually made this trade. It must suck really, really badly to see franchise players get traded every few years. I mean, come on... Jokinen, Horton, Bouwmeester, and Luongo? That is (or should've been) an incredible core to build from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 I'm still having trouble believing Florida actually made this trade. It must suck really, really badly to see franchise players get traded every few years. I mean, come on... Jokinen, Horton, Bouwmeester, and Luongo? That is (or should've been) an incredible core to build from. Oh, I believe it. Why? Just look at those names you listed. The Pants are experts in self-mutilation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 I'm really glad for Jokinen. He finally gets to play in a first class organization with a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Also, it's going to be amazing for him to play in market that actually cares about hockey! Boy is he in a for a treat next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 It's better than Hudler and Kopecky. That's pretty weak pal. You forgot to mention I threw in the #30th pick. Florida takes the #49th pick and a couple of above average defensemen by league standards. Florida was clearly desperate to move him. Which was something I was trying to point out. The Hockey Rating Hudler #182 Kopecky #547 the 30th pick! vs. Ballard #219 Boynton #412 (even Lilja and Lebda are rated higher than this guy lol ) and the 49th pick, HA Bottom line is, the Wings could've got this guy without giving up Filppula, Franzen or Kronwall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 I'm still having trouble believing Florida actually made this trade. It must suck really, really badly to see franchise players get traded every few years. I mean, come on... Jokinen, Horton, Bouwmeester, and Luongo? That is (or should've been) an incredible core to build from. just think of flordia as a training camp thats in the NHL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 With which players? Maybe Hudler,Lebda, Meech or Quincy and 30th pick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Say goodbye to Franzen or Zetterberg in 09/10. Id take Jokinen over Franzen 11 times out of 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 That's pretty weak pal. You forgot to mention I threw in the #30th pick. Florida takes the #49th pick and a couple of above average defensemen by league standards. Florida was clearly desperate to move him. Which was something I was trying to point out. Bottom line is, the Wings could've got this guy without giving up Filppula, Franzen or Kronwall. Uh, Phoenix gave up two defensemen. Hudler and Kopecky are forwards. Deductive reasoning tells me Florida wanted defensemen -- not forwards. Ballard is a damn good defenseman and he is young. Don't get me wrong, I think Florida got raped on this trade, but it's obvious Florida wanted defensemen and Detroit's equivalent to Ballard is Kronwall. Jokinen was a pipe dream anyway. Detroit wouldn't be able to retain Franzen, Zetterberg, and Jokinen. I doubt they were even involved in the bidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Id take Jokinen over Franzen 11 times out of 10. I think Franzen still has some upside. How much more upside does Jokinen have at 30? I understand Jokinen is a great player, but how much more can he improve? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Id take Jokinen over Franzen 11 times out of 10. I would too, but I don't think Jokinen over Franzen is feasible long-term. Zetterberg's next deal is going to be worth around $7 million annually and Jokinen would undoubtedly cost around the same. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Jokinen would be eating $21 million. Franzen's not going to get anywhere close to $7 million and he's already on the team meaning no assets lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Uh, Phoenix gave up two defensemen. Hudler and Kopecky are forwards. Deductive reasoning tells me Florida wanted defensemen -- not forwards. Ballard is a damn good defenseman and he is young. Don't get me wrong, I think Florida got raped on this trade, but it's obvious Florida wanted defensemen and Detroit's equivalent to Ballard is Kronwall. Jokinen was a pipe dream anyway. Detroit wouldn't be able to retain Franzen, Zetterberg, and Jokinen. I doubt they were even involved in the bidding. The Wings could've packaged some defensemen in a deal with Hudler. No they wouldn't have had to give up Kronwall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) I LOVE this deal for Phoenix. They are going to have a SICK offense. Vrbata, Mueller, Hanzal, Turris, Jokinen, Doan and some great depth guys who can play in the top 2 lines like Reinprecht. Good stuff. Morris, Jovo, and Michalek is a great start to a good defense too, although their D does lack depth big time. Bryz will help with that though. Ballard, on the other hand, is a good/great young Dman, but really? REALLY? Boynton is a throw in as is the 49th. The only reason I can see Floridas reasoning on this is if they plan on making a hard drive for Perrry or have another trade lined up to fill the hole on offense. Ballard, Allen, Bouwmeester is probably the best trio of young defenders in the league. A young #1 and 2 young #3s (both Ballard and Allen are vastly underrated), not to mention Van Ryn and Montador give them good depth and Vokoun is there as well. Im guessing theyve got something up there sleeve to replace Jokinen. Nazzy, an offer sheet to Perry, Langkow, Huselius going back, Rolston. Jesus maybe even Hossa. Florida still has Horton, Weiss, Frolik, Matthias, Booth, and Olesz. Add that to Van Ryn, Allen, Bouwmeester, and Ballard and that makes for an AWESOME lineup in 2-3 years. Florida looks like the Oilers of the East right now. Which is actually a good position to be in with 9-10 up and comers filling up your roster.. Edited June 21, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) The Wings could've packaged some defensemen in a deal with Hudler. No they wouldn't have had to give up Kronwall. So, what 25 or under NHL-proven top-pairing defensemen do the Wings have to deal? What the hell makes you think Florida would even be interested in Hudler? This team just won the ******* Stanley Cup and you're already annoyed with management for not following through with one of your armchair GM fantasy team deals. Give me a break. Edited June 21, 2008 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 So, what 25 or under NHL-proven top-pairing defensemen do the Wings have to deal? What the hell makes you think Florida would even be interested in Hudler? This team just won the ******* Stanley Cup and you're already annoyed with management for not following through with one of your armchair GM fantasy team deals. Give me a break. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said I was annoyed with management. I just threw out an idea. I'm the armchair guy? Well who the f#ck are you? Mr. Knowitall Hockey Elite? What makes you a non-armchair guy? This is a site for fans to discuss the team, the players and ideas they have. What is wrong with that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) Don't put words in my mouth. I never said I was annoyed with management. I just threw out an idea. I'm the armchair guy? Well who the f#ck are you? Mr. Knowitall Hockey Elite? What makes you a non-armchair guy? This is a site for fans to discuss the team, the players and ideas they have. What is wrong with that? Just try being realistic. Maybe instead of proposing a deal that involves "some defenseman" and Hudler, throw out a name. I just don't understand what the point of saying, "Well the Wings could've traded for Jokinen if..." is. You're speaking in pure hypotheticals. What we know is Florida got two defensemen, so I'm going to venture and say they were looking for two defensemen. One of these defensemen is 25 years old, proven, and capable of playing top-four minutes. Do you see anyone like that in the Wings system other than Kronwall? I sure as hell don't. Jokinen wasn't even feasible cap-wise to begin with. What's the point of speculating? Oh, and believe me, I do armchair-GM. I'm sure everyone does. I've just learned to expect the Red Wings not to make trades like Hudler and Kopecky for Jokinen. Edited June 21, 2008 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) Just try being realistic. Maybe instead of proposing a deal that involves "some defenseman" and Hudler, throw out a name. I just don't understand what the point of saying, "Well the Wings could've traded for Jokinen if..." is. You're speaking in pure hypotheticals. What we know is Florida got two defensemen, so I'm going to venture and say they were looking for two defensemen. One of these defensemen is 25 years old, proven, and capable of playing top-four minutes. Do you see anyone like that in the Wings system other than Kronwall? I sure as hell don't. Jokinen wasn't even feasible cap-wise to begin with. What's the point of speculating? Yesterday Spector reported they were interested in A puck moving defensemen and a picK. The previous day it was two young players and a pick. It was also rumoured Ottawa would send SPezza and Boumeester for one of Florida's D-men and Jokinen. So maybe fowards were not out of the picture. I got the Boumeester part mixed up, he would've been going the other way in the deal. Spezza and Meszaros for Jokinen and Boumeester Edited June 21, 2008 by Johnny Diamonds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 wow good trade for Phoenix, they are gonna be great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) That's pretty weak pal. You forgot to mention I threw in the #30th pick. Florida takes the #49th pick and a couple of above average defensemen by league standards. Florida was clearly desperate to move him. Which was something I was trying to point out. The Hockey Rating Hudler #182 Kopecky #547 the 30th pick! vs. Ballard #219 Boynton #412 (even Lilja and Lebda are rated higher than this guy lol ) and the 49th pick, HA Bottom line is, the Wings could've got this guy without giving up Filppula, Franzen or Kronwall. General managers do not make trades based on said ratings site. In any event, when Johan Hedberg rates higher than Chris Osgood, you know that a ratings site is completely retarded. Edited June 21, 2008 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 PHX will make the playoffs next year /e4 O.o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hak 21 Report post Posted June 21, 2008 HORRIBLE deal for florida! wow flordia fans must be pissed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 21, 2008 Yesterday Spector reported they were interested in A puck moving defensemen and a picK. The previous day it was two young players and a pick. It was also rumoured Ottawa would send SPezza and Boumeester for one of Florida's D-men and Jokinen. So maybe fowards were not out of the picture. I got the Boumeester part mixed up, he would've been going the other way in the deal. Spezza and Meszaros for Jokinen and Boumeester LOL. You really think this makes your proposal to send two unremarkable forwards and a pick to Florida feasible? Hudler is useful on the power play and the 3rd line. Kopecky is a grinder. Our pick is nearly second-round. How on earth does that compare to Boynton and Ballard? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
