Wings interested in Ray Emery

[Outsider 42]

Again, if it's going to improve (if it is even a problem) it stands a far better chance of improving in Detroit. And that goes far beyond just Bedard. The lockerroom as a whole as compared to the one in GR.

I agree whole-heartedly.

And I would submit to you that if we, as fans, are aware of this fact, that Wings Management and Coaching are 100X more aware of it. And if they felt that the problem, (if there is an actual problem), could be solved, or the "kinks" worked out, in this manner, that this speculation would not be necessary, because Jimmy Howard would have made the roster LAST year out of Camp, or at the very least, he'd be a LOCK to make the roster this upcoming year.

The fact that neither is the case must at least give cause for pause amongst fans.

[norrisnick 1]

Hasek and Osgood. By many accounts Jimmy has been the best guy the last two training camps. It wouldn't have mattered what he did. He wasn't going to unseat either of them.

[Outsider 42]

Hasek and Osgood. By many accounts Jimmy has been the best guy the last two training camps. It wouldn't have mattered what he did. He wasn't going to unseat either of them.

nn, I respect your opinion, and enjoy reading your posts because I find them to be both insightful and very knowledeable. But I disagree with you on this one.....

A good showing in Training Camp/Pre-Season means nothing. Less than nothing. You know that as well as anyone.

The Wings are strong enough, HAVE BEEN strong enough, for years to win the President's Trophy with MANNY LEGACE in net. With Osgood in town to provide insurance, if Wings Management and Coaching actually believed that Howard was the hands down, no doubt about it, just a matter of time, Goalie of the Future, he WOULD have been up, rather than a 42 year old Dom being re-signed last Season.

For the three years that Cechmanek was in Philly, he looked like a Vezina candidate. Many Philly fans argued that he was "robbed" of the Vezina for two Seasons running. He LOOKED LIKE a Vezina candidate, because the man had game. Turns out he just had no Game.

Roman Turek, during his time in Dallas, was very good, and he was utterly fantastic in his first year in St. Louis. Again.....plenty of game, but absolutely no Game.

Dan Cloutier.....3 consecutive 30 Win Seasons in Vancouver, a feat accomplished by only he and Martin Brodeur. Just never enough game to make up for his lack of Game.

Patrick Lalime....Jebus, do I even have to mention Patrick Lalime? Plenty of game, but absolutely NO Game.

And again, before everyone freaks out, I'm not saying that Jimmy Howard lacks Game.

What I'm saying is that there is a reason why Jimmy Howard, as much as he was talked up by the Wings Org. as their Goalie of the Future, as shallow as the Wings are in goaltending depth, and as "needy" as they are for a young goaltender to take over SOON, is STILL not a lock to make the roster, after three full Seasons as a Pro on one of the best development systems in professional hockey.

Many Wings fans are tired of Howard being "held back".

I simply submit that the only thing holding back Jimmy Howard, is Jimmy Howard.

Edited June 28, 2008 by Outsider

[norrisnick 1]

nn, I respect your opinion, and enjoy reading your posts because I find them to be both insightful and very knowledeable. But I disagree with you on this one.....

A good showing in Training Camp/Pre-Season means nothing. Less than nothing. You know that as well as anyone.

The Wings are strong enough, HAVE BEEN strong enough, for years to win the President's Trophy with MANNY LEGACE in net. With Osgood in town to provide insurance, if Wings Management and Coaching actually believed that Howard was the hands down, no doubt about it, just a matter of time, Goalie of the Future, he WOULD have been up, rather than a 42 year old Dom being re-signed last Season.

For the three years that Cechmanek was in Philly, he looked like a Vezina candidate. Many Philly fans argued that he was "robbed" of the Vezina for two Seasons running. He LOOKED LIKE a Vezina candidate, because the man had game. Turns out he just had no Game.

Roman Turek, during his time in Dallas, was very good, and he was utterly fantastic in his first year in St. Louis. Again.....plenty of game, but absolutely no Game.

Dan Cloutier.....3 consecutive 30 Win Seasons in Vancouver, a feat accomplished by only he and Martin Brodeur. Just never enough game to make up for his lack of Game.

Patrick Lalime....Jebus, do I even have to mention Patrick Lalime? Plenty of game, but absolutely NO Game.

And again, before everyone freaks out, I'm not saying that Jimmy Howard lacks Game.

What I'm saying is that there is a reason why Jimmy Howard, as much as he was talked up by the Wings Org. as their Goalie of the Future, as shallow as the Wings are in goaltending depth, and as "needy" as they are for a young goaltender to take over SOON, is STILL not a lock to make the roster, after three full Seasons as a Pro on one of the best development systems in professional hockey.

Many Wings fans are tired of Howard being "held back".

I simply submit that the only thing holding back Jimmy Howard, is Jimmy Howard.

Eh... On many teams that may be true, but Holland has a history of milking waiver exemption for everything it's worth. It is an exceedingly rare player that sticks with the Wings that still has AHL options.

[VM1138 1,921]

I originally though Emery had "one bad year"... after reading more, it's pretty clear this guy has been a problem with various teams for years. Too much.

Give Howard a shot at training camp - he's already been told what he needs to do.

There will still be goalies availbale then, if he is not up to it... and at the worst, there are always decent goalies available at the trade deadline.

Exactly, I think goaltending is the last area we need to improve upon. Even though Howard is untested, I'd much rather straighten out defense (Find out if Stuart is staying or going---find a replacement), and at forward. I never even thought about goaltending until I heard this.

[Majsheppard 203]

Please, if your going to get a goaltender.

Raycroft was just booted from Toronto, At least he didn't tear apart a team.

[Superman54 91]

Please, if your going to get a goaltender.

Raycroft was just booted from Toronto, At least he didn't tear apart a team.

I have never seen such a bad goalie last year as Raycroft was

[ltgator333 3]

Ok Imma throw my two cents in the pot-

I dunno about Ray Emery, really if I was looking for a backup goalie I think I'd try to get Kolzig, he's a hell of a guy off the ice, and on the ice he's NHL backup-capable.

[Rivalred 630]

Ok Imma throw my two cents in the pot-

I dunno about Ray Emery, really if I was looking for a backup goalie I think I'd try to get Kolzig, he's a hell of a guy off the ice, and on the ice he's NHL backup-capable.

I have my suspicions the Wings may be going this route and I do not think it is a bad idea... Let the guy come in and play a year...

[C-TownWing 0]

Please, if your going to get a goaltender.

Raycroft was just booted from Toronto, At least he didn't tear apart a team.

I was at a game in I think late Jan./early Feb. of 2004 where Raycroft in his great rookie year with Boston, shut us out. Stopped something like 25 shots in the first period alone, we were ALL OVER them early. Still one of the great single-game goaltending performances I've ever seen in the NHL.

I HAVE to think that's still in there somewhere, and a change of scenery might help--if I were to take a chance on a guy, it's him. Not Emery.

[SwedeLundin77 460]

Personally, I think it all comes down to money with our goaltending situation. Emery could be viable, because he does have the skill and while he may have an attitude issue, he'll be straightened out quickly in this environment. Raycroft and Denis would be good backups and challengers for that role, they have the skill, just lack direction and consistency, which we can also help provide. Kolzig I believe is out of the question, he'll get a starting job somewhere and I hear that is what he wants.

[SwedeLundin77 460]

Me thinks Raycroft would work well in Detroit...As for Kolzig - dunno if he's good enough to be a legit #1 guy anymore (except maybe for the Kings); Huet ran him outta DC.

Well from what I understand, I think he believes it was just his time to move on and that he still has the skill, desire to win, and enough gas in the tank to be a starter somewhere else. But hell, if he decides otherwise and still wants to play for a contender, i'd love to have him here.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Projects are one thing, but Emery hasn't grown up enough yet to be given a chance in the Winged Wheel. Emery is in a completely different place than Cleary was in when he tried out with the Wings.

Besides, the Wings finally need to figure out if they have something with Howard. Even still, I don't see Kenny bringing in Emery.

[Rivalred 630]

Kolzig may want to be a starter, but he may also want a Cup... The Wings have a good chance to make the playoffs again... Say Kolzig came here with the intentions of Ozzie and him rotating - there is no harm in that and I think he is a better option that most at this point if the Wings want to bring in a Vet... Reminds me of the Vernon/Osgood tandem and Hasek/Osgood tandem... Good one-two punch in goal...

Anyways... The thread is about Emery... No way and will not happen...

Edited June 29, 2008 by Rivalred

[Rice 42]

Why are people suggesting Kolzig? This guy is leaving Washingtonbecause he got the message that he was no longer starting material. Why would he come to Detroit to be a backup?

[rage 24]

Well, since Rivalred and others hi-jacked this thread (as I have done many times myself I may add), I love the idea of Kolzig if Howard is not ready.

He is the best goalie out there IMO.

Edited June 29, 2008 by rage

[stevie for president 42]

my only worry about kolzig is hes going from no spotlight, 40 shots a game, 60 games to detroit who loves to hate goalies, 20 shots, and 40ish games. id like to have him but its interesting to see if he can adjust.

as for emery, hes a nutjob and a cancer in ther locker room. i wouldnt even sign him in nhl 08. the reward is high because of his skill but the risk is too high, especially considering holland rarely takes risks.

[miller76 463]

NO TO THESE GOALTENDERS:

1.EMERY

2.RAYCROFT

3.KOLZIG

4.SANFORD

5.JOSEPH

I would love to have Ryan Miller, but he is a total long shot. I say we stick with Howard.

[SwedeLundin77 460]

NO TO THESE GOALTENDERS:

1.EMERY

2.RAYCROFT

3.KOLZIG

4.SANFORD

5.JOSEPH

I would love to have Ryan Miller, but he is a total long shot. I say we stick with Howard.

You do realize this topic is about a possible option for a backup goaltender right? Ryan Miller would be a starter if we were to somehow acquire him this offseason, which is a certain not going to happen. Each goalie you listed on the NO list would be plausible as a competitor for the backup role if Howard is not deemed ready or whatev. Although I know Cujo would say no and I don't want him here and Sanford doesn't have a lot of potential.

[miller76 463]

You do realize this topic is about a possible option for a backup goaltender right? Ryan Miller would be a starter if we were to somehow acquire him this offseason, which is a certain not going to happen. Each goalie you listed on the NO list would be plausible as a competitor for the backup role if Howard is not deemed ready or whatev. Although I know Cujo would say no and I don't want him here and Sanford doesn't have a lot of potential.

you know, it's nothing personal against any of these goaltenders. Just to break it into the nhl is nearly an impossible feat in itself. And I know a change of scenary for some players can really be beneficial. But for me, I guess the list of possibilities this year are just not very appealing to me. My dream would be to have to well paid goaltenders share responsibilities all year. I know that Ryan Miller is a total pipe dream, and has no chance of being a Wing. It's not a popular idea to pay two decent goaltenders to share duties, but damn could you imagine how solid a team would be at the goaltenders position? I was a little bummed when Anaheim had put Bryzgalov on waivers last year. To bad Anaheim did it when they did. I could have gone for a back up like him here.

[Swede40 0]

I still don't believe Jimmy Howard is as NHL ready as everybody here thinks he is. Watched him during this last year and he struggled. He was not sharp, he regressed some this past season. He's really got to get his act together if he's going to be backup in Detroit in 08-09

He made the All Star team with a lousy team in front of him. He's as ready as he's ever going to be.

[VM1138 1,921]

If we pick up any goalie, the only one that I could get excited about is Kolzig. He's much more like Hasek/Osgood than anyone else on the market. The guy is capable, he's a class act. That way, even if he ends up sucking, we'll all still like him as a person, and he won't be a cancer. Also, I think there are better odds of him having a come-back year (that is the way joining the Wings goes, after all) than Emery or anyone else out there. If we have to pick up a goalie please God let it be Kolzig.

[VM1138 1,921]

Why are people suggesting Kolzig? This guy is leaving Washingtonbecause he got the message that he was no longer starting material. Why would he come to Detroit to be a backup?

Because he'll be competing for a starter. In case you didn't get the memo, theyu're still not treating Ozzie as a starter. They're looking to have a goalie tandem. Who better to challenge for top spot with Ozzie than a veteran like Kolzig?

Besides, all the quotes I've seen associate "veteran". I wouldn't call Emery a veteran yet. Isn't it like his 3rd year?

Kolzig is the very definition of veteran.

Kolzig-Osgood looks closest to Hasek-Osgood in terms of tandems out there, so I bet they go for him.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Don't know what I think of the idea yet, but the people freaking out saying "He's going to destroy the team!" need to settle down. Way to much leadership on the team for that to happen. He would be a great backup to have if Howard doesn't pan out in training camp.

[VM1138 1,921]

Don't know what I think of the idea yet, but the people freaking out saying "He's going to destroy the team!" need to settle down. Way to much leadership on the team for that to happen. He would be a great backup to have if Howard doesn't pan out in training camp.

I think some people put too much stock in "leadership." Having "leadership" won't matter if the guy won't listen.