omnipotent_hudler 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Excellent question. I just had an interesting conversation with my dog's ass and he says Ovechkin wants to play in the Chinese Super League. I believe his butt has as much credibility. awesome tell us more about what rumors you find credible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shannyfan1414 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Would love to see him in the winged wheel but would have to be a serious pay cut to take him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) They just said that on TSN too!! Detroit offered Hossa less money then the others but he may want to goto the best team!! CRAZY!! Edited July 1, 2008 by 10 Minute Misconduct Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 I hope we do sign hossa and let hudler and franzen walk or flip and franzen walk ... due to the reason ... yes franzen was good this past year ... but the thing is ... franzen just won the cup ... and 2 years ago we had some minors problems re-signing him ... just imagine now how much he would be demanding ... if we could by somehow get the chance to sign hossa let's say in the 8 millions ... that would be a great deal for us ... we would still have a 4 million left enough to sign flip ... and next year we'd use the rest for zetterberg ... we have 6 million considering we wont re-sign chelios samy and franzen w/zettz expiration plus the cap usually goes up at least 3-4 million ... theres 9 million to get him signed for a while ... and considering his a team player he might do a home discount for 8 million Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Fixed. Franzen's emergence and the League's hate-on for Homer, makes Tomas less and less important. And if moving his $2.25M/yr makes Hossa possible, you do it. Which is the better top line? Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Holmstrom Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Hossa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) 09/10 Zetterberg(7.5) - Datsyuk(6.7) - Homer (2.25) Hudler (2) - Franzen (3.5) - Hossa (7) Abdelkader(.5) - Helm(.6) - Cleary (2.8) Maltby(.88) - Draper(1.6) - Kopecky (.6) X (.5) Lidstrom (7.45) - Raffi (6) Kronwall (3) - Stuart (3.75) Lilja (1.25) - Lebda (.65) Meech/Quincey (.6) That altogether is about 61.3M. The high cap estimate for next year is likely 62M. Sammy is let go, Cheli retires, a few youngsters are moved up, Flip is traded or signed away and Jimmy is back-up. The Red Wings could also trade Lilja and move up Ericsson, for maybe 500k more in cap space, and there are other minor options as well, but its all very messy. Not worth it really...unless Hossa is willing to go for something like 6.5M, which is pretty much impossible. Ozzy (1.4) Howard (.8) Edited July 1, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 They just said that on TSN too!! Detroit offered Hossa less money then the others but he may want to goto the best team!! CRAZY!! I heard it too - I'd go apes***... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Losing Franzen would be epic fail. Filp would not be missed if we had Hossa, nor would Hudler. Also remember we have to get rid of some Defense. Lilja is making 1.2 million.... For the sake of arguement. We hand Zetter the same deal Pavel has.... We give Hossa a deal that pays 9 million this year, and the same as the euro twins for three more years for four in total. We move Lilja, Sammy and make sure we don't sign anyone until Filppula is resolved. Keeping just enough to make sure that If someone gives him an offer sheet he they will have to give us a first. Then we give Johan a contract that will fit under the year after and will go up after that, assuming that Lids will be getting even less and the cap will go up again. Then With Filppula either gone via RFA and replaced by Franzen on the second line with Hossa and huds as his mates, or give him a real small one year deal and let him go after and forget about Mac and Downy. Then we find a Genie in a bottle and get three more wishes.... Not going to happen, I give it a 2% chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruiser008 37 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 My guess is that we've offered Hossa (and possibly Sundin) a 1-year deal in the range of 7-8 million and let them know that if they want a real good shot at the cup they know who to call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 plz hossa plz come to detroit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Alex tanguay garnered a first round pick. Filp couldve fetched at least a third right now and with a good season this year a 1st or second. Tanguay also didnt even break 60 points despite being paid over 5M. I think Filppula could match Tanguays trade value of a 1st rounder, especially if he went packaged with Quincey or Meech (no, nothing spectacular, but could be enough for a team like Toronto) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Franzen's emergence and the League's hate-on for Homer, makes Tomas less and less important. And if moving his $2.25M/yr makes Hossa possible, you do it. Which is the better top line? Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Holmstrom Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Hossa Assuming we overload the 1st line, which I think Babs would not do unless in a desperate situation. I think Hossa is a SOLID winger for the second line. If it ain't broke... As for the PP. The ZDH line is the cream of the crop. The second unit is the problem, and Hossa is an answer. I still think that Homer is the premiere goalie agitator in the league, Franzen is unproven (although spectacular for the last 3 months of the season and post). I just don't consider Homer in our second tier of players. Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Homer Franzen - Flip - Hossa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 My guess is that we've offered Hossa (and possibly Sundin) a 1-year deal in the range of 7-8 million and let them know that if they want a real good shot at the cup they know who to call. I doubt we offered Hossa a 1 year deal. But I wouldnt be surprised that our deal only averaged out to some 6.5M per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 My guess is that we've offered Hossa (and possibly Sundin) a 1-year deal in the range of 7-8 million and let them know that if they want a real good shot at the cup they know who to call. TSN said Detroit has a long term deal on the table for him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Assuming we overload the 1st line, which I think Babs would not do unless in a desperate situation. I think Hossa is a SOLID winger for the second line. If it ain't broke... As for the PP. The ZDH line is the cream of the crop. The second unit is the problem, and Hossa is an answer. I still think that Homer is the premiere goalie agitator in the league, Franzen is unproven (although spectacular for the last 3 months of the season and post). I just don't consider Homer in our second tier of players. Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Homer Franzen - Flip - Hossa Let Flip go and put Hudler up on the 2nd unit with Franzen centering if we were to add Hossa. Hudler has the better offensive capabilities and Franzen and Hossas combined size and defensive awareness would make Hudler a fine fit on the 2nd line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 If only someone would have signed Val to a stupid offersheet earlier in the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Let Flip go and put Hudler up on the 2nd unit with Franzen centering if we were to add Hossa. Hudler has the better offensive capabilities and Franzen and Hossas combined size and defensive awareness would make Hudler a fine fit on the 2nd line. Also possible, since Babs wants the Mule to be a power forward with his own line. Get the Mule's faceoff skills up and pair him with 2 snipers with playmaking skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 If only someone would have signed Val to a stupid offersheet earlier in the day. Whos to say no one still will? There are a lot of teams that have been quiet thus far, and a TON of teams that would love a skilled, defensively aware center/winger like Flip. Trading Flip would also be rather easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 so TSN confirmed it? this is getting so crazy... im just trying to figure out who we will most likely end up losing if the Wings land Hossa? anyone know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) Losing Franzen would be epic fail. Filp would not be missed if we had Hossa, nor would Hudler. Also remember we have to get rid of some Defense. Lilja is making 1.2 million.... For the sake of arguement. We hand Zetter the same deal Pavel has.... We give Hossa a deal that pays 9 million this year, and the same as the euro twins for three more years for four in total. We move Lilja, Sammy and make sure we don't sign anyone until Filppula is resolved. Keeping just enough to make sure that If someone gives him an offer sheet he they will have to give us a first. Then we give Johan a contract that will fit under the year after and will go up after that, assuming that Lids will be getting even less and the cap will go up again. Then With Filppula either gone via RFA and replaced by Franzen on the second line with Hossa and huds as his mates, or give him a real small one year deal and let him go after and forget about Mac and Downy. Then we find a Genie in a bottle and get three more wishes.... Not going to happen, I give it a 2% chance. I agree. Edited July 1, 2008 by Majsheppard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 Also possible, since Babs wants the Mule to be a power forward with his own line. Get the Mule's faceoff skills up and pair him with 2 snipers with playmaking skills. The good thing is, Detroit doesnt have to worry about line combos. Datsyuk, Franzen, and Hank can all play center or wing, and they're all capable of doing it in the top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 If memory serves me correctly, at the trade deadline someone figured out all of the salaries for next year and it was determined they could afford Hossa. Obviously they can afford him this upcoming season. I'd be more than happy to see him come and lose Flip and Hudler. Plus, if they lose those two via rfa, the wings would get picks as compensation. With the scouting department they have in place.......... Franzen needs to stay, though, imo. Having said all of that, I think this is all a pipe dream. Holland has been very conservative with the salary cap and it has worked very well so far. So, for him to potentially max out the payroll for next season seems out of character. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 I'm not sure about losing Flip, Rex, and/or Franzen for Hossa. I think Hossa is one of the better players in the world BUT I really agree with the line from the movie Miracle when they tell Herb Brooks that he left some of the best players off the team and he says that he is not looking for the best players he is looking for the right players. In my opinion we have got some of those right players in those guys and should not be too quick to part with them just for a more talented player. Is Hossa going to be content being on the second line or the second power play or playing whatever role he is asked to play. I'm not even saying that he would be asked to take any of those roles but can he fit in with what Detroit does as a whole? I'm not saying that I wouldn't take the deal if it meant getting rid of two of the three of those guys but I would seriously consider what we lose in those guys in the specific roles that they play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torless 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 I'm not sure about losing Flip, Rex, and/or Franzen for Hossa. I think Hossa is one of the better players in the world BUT I really agree with the line from the movie Miracle when they tell Herb Brooks that he left some of the best players off the team and he says that he is not looking for the best players he is looking for the right players. In my opinion we have got some of those right players in those guys and should not be too quick to part with them just for a more talented player. Is Hossa going to be content being on the second line or the second power play or playing whatever role he is asked to play. I'm not even saying that he would be asked to take any of those roles but can he fit in with what Detroit does as a whole? I'm not saying that I wouldn't take the deal if it meant getting rid of two of the three of those guys but I would seriously consider what we lose in those guys in the specific roles that they play. Right on - we all have the hindsight to praise Holland for his decisions in the past and I believe we have reason to trust in his insight again even if we end up netting Bertuzzi over our favorite picks. Flip was clutch in game 6 - Huds did a great job throughout the playoffs and both are still developing players... It appears that, based on this article we may be out of the running for Sundin, Rolston and Hossa anyway... if it is accurate analysis. Unless Hossa wants to work for peanuts... I'm afraid that dream is over. You always need those clutch players on the team to grind out the wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 1, 2008 1st thing for Holland was to have a deal in place for Zetterberg... More he's waiting more Zetterberg price is going up. When you see deals that Tampa gave to Malone or Philly to Carter you can except Zetterberg going for big money ($8M). With deal in place for Zetterberg - then you can go after FA's. I don't know why he signed Lilja for 2 YEARS ($2.4M). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
