Capitals Re-Sign Fedorov

[Zion 93]

Fedorov is worth closer to $4m than Kris Draper is to $2.5m or Rob Blake is to $5m...who is overspending?

Wow, and the quotes get dumber from here. Do I have to remind you morons that we don't pay Draper to score points?

What is his faceoff winning percentage worth to you?

How about his goal-free penalty killing shifts?

How about what he brings to the locker room and to the warm-up skate? Practice?

There really are some ignorant posts on this board...

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Fedorov is worth closer to $4m than Kris Draper is to $2.5m or Rob Blake is to $5m...who is overspending?

Kris Draper is making 1.5M

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

The same people said Steve Yzerman didn't need a mentor either. Yet, Bowman helped make him a complete 2 way player. Ovechkin needs that kind of mentoring as well in addition to other things.

Feds could probably help AO develop a better defensive game. That's about it.

What else is he going to do, tell him how to improve his one timer or how to score more goals?

AO is already a better goal scorer, faster and more physical than Feds was ever in his career. The only thing Fedorov has on AO is Feds is one of the best 2 way players ever. So he could help AO defensively and that's about he end of it. Just my opinion.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Yup,

Draper: 17 points at 2.5 mill 147,000/pt

Fedorov: 41 points at 4.0 mill 100,000/pt (based on last year's stats and this year's salary)

Both play very good defense and both are very overpaid. Having said that, there's a better chance that Fedorov can improve upon his numbers from last year since he'll be playing with Ovechkin. Draper will be in a defensive role and won't be expected to score.

Feds is overpaid, but not terribly overpaid, imo.

DRAPER DOES NOT MAKE 2.5 MILLION!!

17 points @ 1.583 mil = 93,000/pt

[Dabura 12,232]

Fedorov puts people in the stands and gives Ovechkin a veteran fellow countryman to lean on. Realistically, he's worth 2.8-3. I can guarantee you it didn't break management's collective heart or back to cough up an extra million for the aforementioned benefits (mostly the marketing stuff).

The Caps' management knows it could be a while before they enjoy serious postseason success. As they're not in an especially strong hockey market, they'll need to find ways of getting people to open their wallets despite an almost inevitable continuing lack of playoff success through the next few seasons, possibly beyond.

Fedorov will go a long way in helping that cause.

[eva unit zero 271]

Draper is more physical

Draper is feistier...I would say Fedorov is better physically. not the same thing.

Draper is faster

It's close. But I would go with Fedorov.

Draper is more durable

Slightly.

Draper is better at faceoffs

ALMOST as good doesn't disagree with this. 56% is almost as good as 58%, no?

I'd rather spend 2.5 mil for what he brings than 4 mil for what Fedorov brings

I'd rather spend $4m on Fedorov than $2.5m on Draper.

People always talk about Fedorov's intangibles. You know what, they have a point b/c that's all you can talk about with him anymore. For all of his offensive knowledge and wisdom and speed that you brag about...he hasn't done s*** in the past few years.

f***** played 68 games last season to the tune of a whopping 30 points. OooohhhhH! So impressive. He was still a minus player even when he went to the Caps, played with good players on a super hot team. He hasn't been a plus player since he left Detroit in 2003.

He's going to be 39 years old this season. I swear, the guy is going to be 42 years old and still playing and people will still say he's "physical, fast, yadda, yadda..."

He's at the end. Luckily for him he's so damned talented he still has something to offer. But still having something to offer does not make you an elite player anymore no matter how much sunshine you want to blow up his ass.

He's a less than 1/2 a point player per game. He's lost a step. He isn't anymore phsyical than jiri Hudler is.

If I am the Caps I give him 3 mil based upon his knowledge and experience and remaining ability.

But he's still overpaid at 4 million freaking dollars.

FTR, Fedorov scored 41 points in 68 games last year. That projects to 49 points on a full season, which is well above .5 PPG. He also played quite a few games entirely on the blueline the past two seasons in Columbus. Which HURTS his overall offensive totals.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

What if Feds has 90 points this season playing with OV, which can totally happen, than everybody says it's a steal at $4 mil and all sudden everybody will want him back to Detroit!

I'm still smiling when I think how many people here said Datsyuk at $6.7 too much money for so long. Realistically it's a steal comparing what Briere, Gomez, Drury and some other players are getting.

It isn't the worst contract this offseason but the glorifying he gets by some die hard Wings fans is just ridiculous.

He's a 2nd line player.

Could he score 90 points? I would wager any amount of money to anybody here he won't be a point per game player, nor will he play 70 or more games.

He's proven his age has caught up to him. Frankly, he doesn't have enough in the tank to keep up with AO. He'll be good on the PP and he'll be good on faceoffs and will do his share of the defensive responsibilities but 90 points is something he will never see again.

By the way, he's only scored over 90 points twice in his career and the last time was 1996.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Draper is feistier...I would say Fedorov is better physically. not the same thing.

It's close. But I would go with Fedorov.

Slightly.

ALMOST as good doesn't disagree with this. 56% is almost as good as 58%, no?

I'd rather spend $4m on Fedorov than $2.5m on Draper.

FTR, Fedorov scored 41 points in 68 games last year. That projects to 49 points on a full season, which is well above .5 PPG. He also played quite a few games entirely on the blueline the past two seasons in Columbus. Which HURTS his overall offensive totals.

You are correct on that. My bad. I was looking at the assist column, not the points column.

So given that we think

They're roughly the same physical (one might be fiestier or hit more but the other plays the body better or positionally better, whatever)

They're roughly the same on faceoffs

They're roughly the same on speed

They're roughly the same so far as defensive ability

They're both experienced and good leaders

So the difference boils down to what? Offensive ability?

Fedorov's offensive superiority to Draper, which amounted to 24 more points is worth another 1.5 million dollars to you?

I'll pass. 4 million is much better spent on Draper and helping to re-sign another player than it is on one Sergei Fedorov.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I'd rather spend $4m on Fedorov than $2.5m on Draper.[/font]

Why do you keep on pulling this random 2.5M number out of your ass, eva? Draper has never in his career pulled in 2.5M

[Zion 93]

Oops. Owned.

[DatsMyWings13 4]

Good for Fedorov. I think he's getting about a 1.5 million to much but that just seems to be what happens with most free agents. For the most part I think he'll earn his money this year and will be a great complimentary player to AO. I wonder how many more years he'll play.

[Opie 308]

In this deal is Feds overpaid, yes, HOWEVER in this free agent season Hossa (Stuart) is about the only player who wasn't overpaid.

He could have been one of the overpaid and taken the 90 mil from EDM, but as it stands this offseason all players (except one or two ) were overpaid.

So based on just this offseason alone Feds Payment is a steal compared to Fingers at 3.75 or some of the other numbers that were thrown around this offseason!

[Cicada 4]

for the intangibles he brings to a team with some young russians, i'd say he's well worth it

[Cicada 4]

add to that he was stellar for the caps down the stretch

[Opie 308]

Cicada I wouldn't personally call 2g 11a 13pts in 18 games stellar, he was decent in he stay with the Caps, I still contend had his stick blade been on the ice where it should have been there season is at least a few minutes longer!

Not saying that should show up in his salary but he wasn't an all world player for the caps he was probably their 5th best player.

[Cicada 4]

Cicada I wouldn't personally call 2g 11a 13pts in 18 games stellar, he was decent in he stay with the Caps, I still contend had his stick blade been on the ice where it should have been there season is at least a few minutes longer!

Not saying that should show up in his salary but he wasn't an all world player for the caps he was probably their 5th best player.

yes, but he seemed to have some heart back..

he's been coasting through seasons leaving the wings.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Fedorov is almost as good as Draper on faceoffs.

He's as good or better defensively and on the PK.

He's bigger, stronger, and more physical.

He has more offensive skills and knowledge, by a WIDE margin.

Fedorov can play any position in any situation, Draper can play center or occasionally wing and can do it at even strength or shorthanded.

Over 82 games, based on production last season, Fedorov would have out-produced Draper by about 30 points. This includes many games where Fedorov spent the entire game playing defense. By comparison, many on LGW feel Johan Franzen and Val Filppula are worth between $2.5m to $3.5m. Neither brings close to the offense Fedorov does OR the defense he does, or for that matter the defense or speed he does. Yet he is overpaid at $4m?

A couple of things that you didn't mention:

Draper signed his contract in October of '07 since then his production has dropped off dramatically. In the last 3 years his point went down from 32 to 29 to 17. The year before that he won the Selke Trophy. So I agree the Draper of 2007-2008 isn't worth the $2mil +. Coming off a Selke trophy and 32 and 29 point seasons he would be worth it. But that's all hindsight.

Both Franzen and Filppula are young improving players and their pay reflects not only what they did in the past but what they will most likely do in the future. It's highly unlikely that their production will go down.

Feds is at the end of his career and it is likely that his production will go down. His worth is based on past performances and a hope that his production will stay the same or not drop dramatically. With any 38 year old player you take a gamble that he still has gas in the tank.

You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

DRAPER DOES NOT MAKE 2.5 MILLION!!

17 points @ 1.583 mil = 93,000/pt

Thank you!

I was wondering where this 2.5 million came from.

This season Draper will make $1.85 million for a cap hit of 1.583m.

And wtf does Draper have to do with this anyway? Man what a thread derailment. Whether or not he is overpaid doesn't suddenly make $4m for Feds worthwhile.

Robert Lang played 9 more games than Fedorov, had 13 more points and was +9 (compared to the defensive specialist Fedorov's -5). So I guess he's no longer overpaid at $4m and should actually get a raise?

Edited July 9, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[chrisdetroit 189]

What if Feds has 90 points this season playing with OV, which can totally happen, than everybody says it's a steal at $4 mil and all sudden everybody will want him back to Detroit!

I'm still smiling when I think how many people here said Datsyuk at $6.7 too much money for so long. Realistically it's a steal comparing what Briere, Gomez, Drury and some other players are getting.

Yea, that's gonna happen.........

[HomeNugget 2]

Feds played very well with Semin and AO at the world championships this year! Maybe this was the main reason, the caps offered him $4 mill!

This is what I was thinking. That line was retardedly good at the WC.

[stactum 4]

This is what I was thinking. That line was retardedly good at the WC.

Yes, and btw Feds had primary assist on that "golden goal" by Kovalchuk.

[union drone 0]

It isn't the worst contract this offseason but the glorifying he gets by some die hard Wings fans is just ridiculous.

He's a 2nd line player.

Could he score 90 points? I would wager any amount of money to anybody here he won't be a point per game player, nor will he play 70 or more games.

He's proven his age has caught up to him. Frankly, he doesn't have enough in the tank to keep up with AO. He'll be good on the PP and he'll be good on faceoffs and will do his share of the defensive responsibilities but 90 points is something he will never see again.

By the way, he's only scored over 90 points twice in his career and the last time was 1996.

Feds has been a consistent 40 point per season player since the lockout. Based on this, $4mil per season is too high. On the other hand, he looked like a player going through the motions and little else over that period. Playing most of those games on a underachieving Ducks team and a piss poor BJs team doesn't give him much motivation.

I look to see Feds put up 60 point season this year. In 18 regular season games and 7 playoff games with the Caps he got 3G, 15A, for 18P. Over 82 games, this equates to right around 60 points. He now has chemistry, motivation, a potentially winning team, and 25 games of getting to know his teammates, which will only make his performance better. These factors can make up for the fact that he might miss some games. My prediction 15-25G, 35-45A, 50-70P. He still has speed and defensive upside. Based on this, the Caps could very well get their money's worth. If not, they're only on the hook for one year.

Edited July 9, 2008 by union drone

[union drone 0]

double post...sorry.

Edited July 9, 2008 by union drone

[MabusIncarnate 5,359]

I think 4 mil is the price that market dictates. Who would you rather have for 4 mil: Fedorov or Naslund?

Naslund without a doubt. Like it was stated in the previous thread about the 2 million offer, he's worth 2 million, no more. Way overspent on a player that's way past his prime. 4 on Naslund is much more reasonable.

[BeeRYCE 2]

The reason I don't agree with him getting 4M is because he's been so overpaid for the last 10 years that it should be about time to cut his salary, and not to the point where he's overpaid like he is now, but to the point where he's underpaid.

Let's face it, the guy doesn't have to wait until payday to do groceries... He's rich enough for crying out loud.