BigWinston 15 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 (edited) Hey, With Howard just signing a two way deal (which I believe doens't affect the cap), and Ericcsons $550,000 yr one way deal (as of Detroit News article today) which I assume does affect the cap, where does that leave Filpula? How much room is left in the cap and is he going to take it??? A little worried now.... Sorry if this belongs in another thread - couldn't see one - feel free to move me... Edited July 22, 2008 by BigWinston Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 Its his first real contract. Hes probably just making sure everything is good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 the ericsson deal ONLY affects the cap if he's on the roster. He's still got a year left of eligibility and he can be sent down. If he's in GR he WON'T count against the cap. the ONE WAY part of the deal simply means that he's on one wage, whether he's in GR or Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 ^ Yeah what he said. There is room to sign him and whatever article I read today said they were getting close to deal and should be signed before August 1st. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 There's $3.97 million left under the cap. He better fit under that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danijel 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 There's $3.97 million left under the cap. He better fit under that! he better fit in half that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 From the spreadsheet I have on my computer we are under the cap by $4.026667M. With 20 roster players under contract for next season, that leaves us with 3 open spots, which I assume will go to Filppula, Quincey, and Chelios. One of Downey or McCarty will be on a two-way deal so they will not count on the roster unless they are called up and clear waivers. I say give Filppula no more than $2M over at least 3 years. Potential doesn't mean squat unless your oozing with can't miss talent. Chelios recieves $850K and Quincey gets $750K. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckypete96 3 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 maybe cheli isnt coming back? I think if he was, he woulda been signed for league min by now..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 From the spreadsheet I have on my computer we are under the cap by $4.026667M. With 20 roster players under contract for next season, that leaves us with 3 open spots, which I assume will go to Filppula, Quincey, and Chelios. One of Downey or McCarty will be on a two-way deal so they will not count on the roster unless they are called up and clear waivers. I say give Filppula no more than $2M over at least 3 years. Potential doesn't mean squat unless your oozing with can't miss talent. Chelios recieves $850K and Quincey gets $750K. Why? It's not your money. Flip isn't stupid, he knows that his value could increase greatly over the next 3 years so he isn't going to settle for 2 mil for 3 years. If he settles for only 2 mil it is going to be 1 or 2 years at most. I don't get why so many people on here want to low ball him. The kid has great potential and we need to lock him up. If we only sign him for a year or two and he blossoms just like he is expected to, we will have to fork over big money when the contract expires. It's alot like what happened with Kronwall. We paid him based on potential. Now we have a 4-5 mil defenseman that we locked up for 3.5 mil. I'm glad that Kenny is smarter than the LGR posters. This isn't ABC warehouse and you aren't shopping for a HD TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 Why? It's not your money. Flip isn't stupid, he knows that his value could increase greatly over the next 3 years so he isn't going to settle for 2 mil for 3 years. If he settles for only 2 mil it is going to be 1 or 2 years at most. I don't get why so many people on here want to low ball him. The kid has great potential and we need to lock him up. If we only sign him for a year or two and he blossoms just like he is expected to, we will have to fork over big money when the contract expires. It's alot like what happened with Kronwall. We paid him based on potential. Now we have a 4-5 mil defenseman that we locked up for 3.5 mil. I'm glad that Kenny is smarter than the LGR posters. This isn't ABC warehouse and you aren't shopping for a HD TV. I should have clarified that his cap hit would be no more than $2M each of those 3 years. That's a typo on my part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 Why? It's not your money. Flip isn't stupid, he knows that his value could increase greatly over the next 3 years so he isn't going to settle for 2 mil for 3 years. If he settles for only 2 mil it is going to be 1 or 2 years at most. I don't get why so many people on here want to low ball him. The kid has great potential and we need to lock him up. If we only sign him for a year or two and he blossoms just like he is expected to, we will have to fork over big money when the contract expires. It's alot like what happened with Kronwall. We paid him based on potential. Now we have a 4-5 mil defenseman that we locked up for 3.5 mil. I'm glad that Kenny is smarter than the LGR posters. This isn't ABC warehouse and you aren't shopping for a HD TV. Because there is a salary cap and there are better/more important players than him that need contracts next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 I feel like Flip doesn't have the same potential as Z when he signed his contract in a similar situation. Long term like 5-6 years Flip should get at most 2.5. That way if he pans out he'll get his big payday like Z will and he'll get to be part of a winning team that treats their players like gold. It's a fair trade-off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted July 22, 2008 Potential doesn't mean squat unless your oozing with can't miss talent. Chelios recieves $850K and Quincey gets $750K. Potential can land you the motherload if you play your cards properly. Just ask Rostislav Olesz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 we need to lock him up. Not really, especially with Hudler's postseason performance, Hossa joining the ranks, and some big fat re-signings on the horizon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 Why? It's not your money. Flip isn't stupid, he knows that his value could increase greatly over the next 3 years so he isn't going to settle for 2 mil for 3 years. If he settles for only 2 mil it is going to be 1 or 2 years at most. I don't get why so many people on here want to low ball him. The kid has great potential and we need to lock him up. If we only sign him for a year or two and he blossoms just like he is expected to, we will have to fork over big money when the contract expires. It's alot like what happened with Kronwall. We paid him based on potential. Now we have a 4-5 mil defenseman that we locked up for 3.5 mil. I'm glad that Kenny is smarter than the LGR posters. This isn't ABC warehouse and you aren't shopping for a HD TV. You're glad Kenny is smarter than LGW posters? Is that why Kenny isn't rushing into signing Filppula to a bloated contract and has gone on record saying he'd be fine with taking a two year deal via arbitration? Is that why Kenny is undoubtedly offering Filppula less than 2M on a 2 year contract? Also, Kronwall is making 3 million per. Not 3.5. Finally, unless both Datsyuk and Zetterberg have their careers cut short Fischer or Konstantinov style, then we don't have to fork over big money to Filppula regardless of how he performs because hes not essential to this clubs success. He doesn't offer anything in the way of lacking assets. Skill? Got it. Defense? Got it. Speed? Got it. Unless Filppula suddenly finds a Dustin Brown-esque hitting game, hes not going to be overpaid regardless of whether or not he reaches his (overestimated) potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 I know there are no guarantees but I don't want to over pay Flip because, Flip < Hossa. If I am forced to make a choice as to who I want to be a Wing for life...well there is no choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 The only problem with that is, Hossa could be a one-year guy. So then we'd be losing both. I think Flip'll come back, though. Kenny probably wants to give him 2 and Flip probably wants something like 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 The only problem with that is, Hossa could be a one-year guy. So then we'd be losing both. I think Flip'll come back, though. Kenny probably wants to give him 2 and Flip probably wants something like 3. Do a quick google search and you'll find a quote from Holland saying he'll take the 2 year option that is available via arbitration if it comes to that. Filppula will sign for at least two years. I will bet my family on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) Heh, sorry, I meant $. That's good to know, though. Edited July 23, 2008 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 Heh, sorry, I meant $. That's good to know, though. Whoops. Sorry for the preemptive strike then... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 Nah, that's what I get for being lazy with my posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 Val Kilmer is currently reading scripts and deciding which role to take Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigWinston 15 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 Val Kilmer is currently reading scripts and deciding which role to take Comedy Genius! On a more serious note, thanks for your feedback - didn't realize there was $4m (give or take) left in the cap! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 23, 2008 It would be interesting if Holland allowed it to go to arbitration and went with the one-year option. That way, he literally can weigh these key UFAs & RFAs and who fits at what price and who goes: Zetterberg - obviously staying Hossa - if we do not lose too many other players and the cap looks to increase, would be worth it Franzen - Big question mark as to where his value is after another full season Filppula - Could be the one to go, as he is sorta a "Hossa Light" Hudler - Will he cost more or less than Filppula after a year? Samuelsson - If he is still willing to play for less than $1.5 million you still strongly consider him Kopecky - Will still be cheap, but could be relaced with Helm, Abdekader, etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted July 28, 2008 Damn :/ seems like it will go to arbitration, it's set for august 1st but they have yet to come up with a contract... wtf, arbitrations are never good, mentally speaking, and it probably damage the relationship between players and organization... VAL COME ON JUST SIGN DAMNIT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
