Best & Worst Trade Deadline Deals in Wings History

[hardcoretom21 71]

HASEK FOR KOZLOV, Summer 2001!

Edited July 28, 2008 by hardcoretom21

[Guest Crymson]

HASEK FOR KOZLOV, Summer 2001!

Aside from this not being a deadline deal, would you care to explain why it was a bad idea to trade a lazy underachiever for one of the three best goalies in the world?

I'm thinking that we really didn't miss Kozlov's offense in '01-'02.

[hardcoretom21 71]

oope sorry I completely overlooked the "deadline" part. Also, I thought we were talking about the BEST and worst deals.....

anyways, my bad!

[Doc Holiday 0]

EDIT: I hate it when people say that without Holland the Wings wouldn't have won the last few Cups. Bulls***. He inherited the 97' Cup team. In 98' the Wings were uber motivated. Was Holland a big part of the staff that built the teams that won? Yes, but with or without Holland, the Wings win both those Cups. You could probably throw '02 in there as well. The '08 Cup is one that you have to give Kenny a lot of credit for.

Umm the Wings wouldn't have gotten Hasek if Holland wasn't part of the Wings staff. Without Hasek we don't get that cup.

[imisssergei 0]

Umm the Wings wouldn't have gotten Hasek if Holland wasn't part of the Wings staff. Without Hasek we don't get that cup.

Bulls***, the Wings were dominate that year. I'm not saying that Hasek didn't help, but he wasn't the reason the won the Cup. In 02' the Wings could have won the Cup with a mid-level goalie (i.e. Osgood).

[LeftWinger 5,154]

Bulls***, the Wings were dominate that year. I'm not saying that Hasek didn't help, but he wasn't the reason the won the Cup. In 02' the Wings could have won the Cup with a mid-level goalie (i.e. Osgood).

Jesus Christ! WTF does this guy have to do to get respect? He only WON you 2 Cups, he backed-up and was a huge part of the regular season in 1996-97 for the 1st Cup. He is ONLY the 15th WINNINGEST goalie of ALL TIME! He is #2 in Red Wings wins, he #1 in Red Wings playoff wins! What else does he have to do? Pull a Ned Braden and skate around the rink naked? Enough already! Osgood is an Elite goalie and he deserves everyting he has EARNED! And yes, Ozzie would've won that Cup in 2002!

...in another NON-deadline trade, in June of 1988 the Wings traded Darren Veitch to the Leafs for Miroslav Frycer. Who you say? Well the seasons prior to the trade, Veitch had 40 and 58 points respectively and when Frycer came here, he lasted 23 games and 15 points before he was traded off to Edmonton for their 10th round choice in 1989 (Rick Judson) who? Exactly! Iwould have rather had Veitch around for a few more 40-50 point seasons!

Edited July 28, 2008 by LeftWinger

[BeeRYCE 2]

The Wings would have won the cup with Legace that year... How about that?

[Doggy 130]

Games 6 vs. Colorado in 2002 ends the Hasek argument.

[imisssergei 0]

Jesus Christ! WTF does this guy have to do to get respect? He only WON you 2 Cups, he backed-up and was a huge part of the regular season in 1996-97 for the 1st Cup. He is ONLY the 15th WINNINGEST goalie of ALL TIME! He is #2 in Red Wings wins, he #1 in Red Wings playoff wins! What else does he have to do? Pull a Ned Braden and skate around the rink naked? Enough already! Osgood is an Elite goalie and he deserves everyting he has EARNED! And yes, Ozzie would've won that Cup in 2002!

...in another NON-deadline trade, in June of 1988 the Wings traded Darren Veitch to the Leafs for Miroslav Frycer. Who you say? Well the seasons prior to the trade, Veitch had 40 and 58 points respectively and when Frycer came here, he lasted 23 games and 15 points before he was traded off to Edmonton for their 10th round choice in 1989 (Rick Judson) who? Exactly! Iwould have rather had Veitch around for a few more 40-50 point seasons!

I give Ozzie the respect he is due. But he isn't an elite goaltender. Roy, Brodeur, Sawchuk, Hasek (buffalo years only imo) and Parent. Those are elite goaltenders. Ozzie isn't going to steal you games, but he will keep you in them.

I don't want to hijack this thread, and turn it into a goaltending thread, so if you wanna talk more about it, PM me.

[imisssergei 0]

Games 6 vs. Colorado in 2002 ends the Hasek argument.

Wings still win the Cup without Hasek. They could have pulled it off in 02' with Darren Pang. Vincent 'Red Light' Riendeau.

[Doggy 130]

Wings still win the Cup without Hasek. They could have pulled it off in 02' with Darren Pang. Vincent 'Red Light' Riendeau.

Ummm no. The Avs would have beaten us in 6 and won the Cup. There's no question. You obviously never saw that game if you disagree.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Bulls***, the Wings were dominate that year. I'm not saying that Hasek didn't help, but he wasn't the reason the won the Cup. In 02' the Wings could have won the Cup with a mid-level goalie (i.e. Osgood).

I'm sorry, does 7 (?) shutouts mean nothing to you?

Without Hasek in game 6 we would not have won the series against Colorado.

[thedisappearer 291]

Bulls***, the Wings were dominate that year. I'm not saying that Hasek didn't help, but he wasn't the reason the won the Cup. In 02' the Wings could have won the Cup with a mid-level goalie (i.e. Osgood).

You seem to have forgotten that down to the Avs 3-2, he pitched back-to-back shut outs. The first was epic, and the second was epic as well, but not for the defense!

[thedisappearer 291]

Jesus Christ! WTF does this guy have to do to get respect? He only WON you 2 Cups, he backed-up and was a huge part of the regular season in 1996-97 for the 1st Cup. He is ONLY the 15th WINNINGEST goalie of ALL TIME! He is #2 in Red Wings wins, he #1 in Red Wings playoff wins! What else does he have to do? Pull a Ned Braden and skate around the rink naked? Enough already! Osgood is an Elite goalie and he deserves everyting he has EARNED! And yes, Ozzie would've won that Cup in 2002!

...in another NON-deadline trade, in June of 1988 the Wings traded Darren Veitch to the Leafs for Miroslav Frycer. Who you say? Well the seasons prior to the trade, Veitch had 40 and 58 points respectively and when Frycer came here, he lasted 23 games and 15 points before he was traded off to Edmonton for their 10th round choice in 1989 (Rick Judson) who? Exactly! Iwould have rather had Veitch around for a few more 40-50 point seasons!

Huh? No one is hating on Ozzie. Most of us love him, and as he was not a Wing in 2002, is irrelevant to this debate. What we are doing is stopping the Hasek-hating. He was incredible in the 2002 playoffs. He gave a shutout every damn time we were facing elimination.

And your non-deadline deal... double-huh? Please tell me you were being sarcastic.

[Guest Crymson]

Bulls***, the Wings were dominate that year. I'm not saying that Hasek didn't help, but he wasn't the reason the won the Cup. In 02' the Wings could have won the Cup with a mid-level goalie (i.e. Osgood).

I think you mean dominant. In any event, no, we would not have beaten Colorado without Hasek's goaltending. He was also brilliant, for the most part, against Carolina.

You know, there was a reason that Holland traded for Hasek and put Osgood on waivers; namely, Hasek was by a significant amount the better goalie. Even with the great offense and defense we had, it took some very good goaltending to get us by at some points in those playoffs---and it was a very, very close affair at those points. As has been mentioned, the series against Colorado was EXTREMELY evenly-matched until the seventh game. Three games were won in overtime, and the series was for the most part quite low-scoring.

Edited July 29, 2008 by Crymson

[StevieY9802 6]

I think you mean dominant. In any event, no, we would not have beaten Colorado without Hasek's goaltending. He was also brilliant, for the most part, against Carolina.

You know, there was a reason that Holland traded for Hasek and put Osgood on waivers; namely, Hasek was by a significant amount the better goalie. Even with the great offense and defense we had, it took some very good goaltending to get us by at some points in those playoffs---and it was a very, very close affair at those points. As has been mentioned, the series against Colorado was EXTREMELY evenly-matched until the seventh game. Three games were won in overtime, and the series was for the most part quite low-scoring.

Exactly to what you and others have said. He made some great saves and when Roy was playing as well as he was the Wings needed those big saves. Also how good was Hasek in the come back in round 1? The save on Jovo and the penalty shot for Bert were two huge stops too in game 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wl8wQW4Z9M

That only shows a few of the saves but still fun to watch.

Edited July 29, 2008 by StevieY9802

[Guest Crymson]

Wings still win the Cup without Hasek. They could have pulled it off in 02' with Darren Pang. Vincent 'Red Light' Riendeau.

This comment seems somewhat silly to me, given that game six was an elimination game for the Wings.

[joshy207 156]

...in another NON-deadline trade, in June of 1988 the Wings traded Darren Veitch to the Leafs for Miroslav Frycer. Who you say? Well the seasons prior to the trade, Veitch had 40 and 58 points respectively and when Frycer came here, he lasted 23 games and 15 points before he was traded off to Edmonton for their 10th round choice in 1989 (Rick Judson) who? Exactly! Iwould have rather had Veitch around for a few more 40-50 point seasons!

Ha! I used to work with Juddy, after his minor-league playing days were over. Great guy, GREAT stories!

[Holmstrom96Screens 0]

it seems to me one of the worst trade jobs the wings ever did was damaging the Production LIne of the 1950's and breaking the heck outta the dynamic that won the wings 4 stanley cups in those years.

Because it was after that, the breaking up of Lindsay, Hall, and trading of them - and that marked the beginniing of the long 42 years drought that got the wings nicknamed the dead things.

I like to think Ted put a hex on them when he left and rightfully so because they never deserved any cups after the way the owners and management treated players in those days.

It just seemed - right that the wings won in 1997 after that generation who treated players badly was gone.

Thus ended the drought.

Edited July 30, 2008 by Holmstrom96Screens

[Opie 308]

it seems to me one of the worst trade jobs the wings ever did was damaging the Production LIne of the 1950's and breaking the heck outta the dynamic that won the wings 4 stanley cups in those years.

Because it was after that, the breaking up of Lindsay, Hall, and trading of them - and that marked the beginniing of the long 42 years drought that got the wings nicknamed the dead things.

I like to think Ted put a hex on them when he left and rightfully so because they never deserved any cups after the way the owners and management treated players in those days.

It just seemed - right that the wings won in 1997 after that generation who treated players badly was gone.

Thus ended the drought.

I guess what is great about that is that the wings became the exact opposite of that to win. When the Illitches took over it became a more player friendly environment in Detroit.

Then they were rewarded rightfully so with 4 championships! Kudos to the Illitches for having the right team concept in mind to build not only a contender but a place players want to come to, are willing to take pay cuts for.

Besides the yanking of the year off of the table to Feds what other player contract controversies have their been. How many Wings players have said get me out of here, I can not play for this org. Lids arguably the most important and best player in the league is paid no where near his value, does he complain, nope not a word out of him about it. Hossa wants in, is told Holland doesn't want anyone to make more than Lids, and that he would have to check with Lids because he promised him no one would make more money. Hossa says don't bother I will have what he is having.

A couple great things come out of that in my mind:

1. Holland shows he is a man of his words, thus not upsetting his all world defenseman.

2. Holland shows Hossa that he would love to have him on his team, but not at the cost of the team chemistry showing the importance of A. Lids, B. Team chemistry.

3. Hossa sees the importance of the chemistry and realizes that if he upsets that chemistry he could upset the wagon.

4. Every other player in the league (I assume) read the stories and also sees that the Wings as an Org are committed to winning but are also committed to their players.

Man what a difference great owners can make!!!