Chelios, Downey, McCarty, and Quincey

[FinWing 26]

Just for s***s and giggles, here's a web page with a more detailed breakdown on waiver regulations:

NHLSCAP.com

[Superman54 91]

With the defensive core we have, I really don't see a major point in spending money on Chelios. I do hope to see Quincey stay with Detroit and show what he can really do, and as long as we can get McCarty and Downey on two way contracts it could all work out.

[Hitchhiker 9]

Really!?! Do you happen to remember where you read that and have a link? I'd love to read the whole thing. If not, did it say more on the subject?

The down side to that is that it makes Downey/Mac expendable. The up side is that it means we have an enforcer (or at least someone willing to take a stand) with talent.

I have looked all over the web without any luck(sorry!). I did find a few references to it over at HF Boards but no official link. I am pretty sure it was a Mlive thing just as egroen mentioned. I remember thinking it was a great way for Kyle to remain with the Wings. I'll keep poking around and see if I can come up with it. It was a little blurb at the end of a smaller article if I recall correctly.

I really liked how he came in and played good during the 2006-2007 playoffs. It's too bad he is in this situation but maybe it will make him stronger during camp.

[Torless 0]

Only 2mil of Flip's contract is hitting the cap this year... is everyone factoring that in? Holland made sure to leave room for the remaining unsigned. No worries!

[egroen 384]

Only 2mil of Flip's contract is hitting the cap this year... is everyone factoring that in? Holland made sure to leave room for the remaining unsigned. No worries!

For the cap, they take the average of all years = $3 million cap hit this year (and all years).

[Torless 0]

For the cap, they take the average of all years = $3 million cap hit this year (and all years).

My bad - anybody have a highlight reel of Lilja we can send to the other GMs? Anyone? He comes with a free Stanley Cup Ring so you can see what one looks like...

[chrisdetroit 189]

Yes he does. It's because he's too old. I think it starts when player is over 25. Ericsson is the only Wings defenceman who doesn't have to go through waivers to play in GR.

It depends on his age when he plays his first game. Nothing is ever simple...

Wiavers

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Really!?! Do you happen to remember where you read that and have a link? I'd love to read the whole thing. If not, did it say more on the subject?

The down side to that is that it makes Downey/Mac expendable. The up side is that it means we have an enforcer (or at least someone willing to take a stand) with talent.

Quincey as an enforcer?

Let's not put him in Lilja's class as of yet. I haven't seen him fight once, and why should Downey become some teacher for him? I never did understand Holland when he made that comment.

Also, everyone is talking about Chelios, but thought he had signed already. I guess I was wrong or misinformed.

[uk_redwing 495]

Chelios should retire in my opinion. With the cap as it is, there just isnt room for such gentlemens agreements like this.

The rest should all be re-signed. Then the training camp should decide who ends up where. In my ideal world, Downey and Quincey stay with the wings, Mac is sent to GR, and someone like Lebda is waived/traded.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Sour grapes, 1997, game 4, 2nd period?

... Uh, reality, 2008, ALL GAMES PLAYED, ALL PERIODS, Give away, icing, too slow, can't fight, give away, icing. McCarty Out!

...sign Downey (he earned the spot) Tselios and Quincey, once training camp starts ONE of the defensemen will have to be traded. Either Lilja or Ledba, not unless Quincey brings us a higher draft pick (or more of them.) The can and will go into the pre-season OVER the cap limit and as long as they get under before the season starts, they'll be fine...

Edited July 31, 2008 by LeftWinger

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

Chelios should retire in my opinion. With the cap as it is, there just isnt room for such gentlemens agreements like this.

The rest should all be re-signed. Then the training camp should decide who ends up where. In my ideal world, Downey and Quincey stay with the wings, Mac is sent to GR, and someone like Lebda is waived/traded.

The great Uk Redwing is back ya'll

[55fan 5,133]

Quincey as an enforcer?

Let's not put him in Lilja's class as of yet. I haven't seen him fight once, and why should Downey become some teacher for him? I never did understand Holland when he made that comment.

Also, everyone is talking about Chelios, but thought he had signed already. I guess I was wrong or misinformed.

Oh, I'm not putting him up with Andreas Ninja yet. He'll have to grow into that role. But... a bit of training, a few fights, some more training... the kid's got potential. Plus, from what I've heard Ericsson can pop a few, so there's the next Swedish enforcer for Lils to train. Big Rig and the Pain Train. What a team.

A bunch of guys who can throw punches is in a way as good as a good fighter. This way the opposition has to mind its manners concerning our skill players because they don't know from which direction the accountability check will come.

[Doggy 130]

Yes he does. It's because he's too old. I think it starts when player is over 25. Ericsson is the only Wings defenceman who doesn't have to go through waivers to play in GR.

I didn't type it because I was bored. Quincey does not have to clear waivers. And gees, he just began playing pro hockey a few years ago - why would you think he was over 25?

[55fan 5,133]

I didn't type it because I was bored. Quincey does not have to clear waivers. And gees, he just began playing pro hockey a few years ago - why would you think he was over 25?

I looked it up. Kyle has been in for 3 seasons, and 26 NHL games (regular and playoff). To be exempt from waivers at the age of 22, he would have to have played for fewer than 3 years and 70 games. He has the games, but this is his 4th year, thus he would be exposed to waivers.

Thanks FinWing for the link.

Edited July 31, 2008 by 55fan

[Swede40 0]

According to this Quincey has to clear waivers:

http://www.redwingscentral.com/features/rwcplus.php

[Phazon 24]

Quincey, Chelios, and either Downey OR McCarty will be signed. I think somebody is gonna be traded. Lilja is my guess, and possibly Samuelsson as well, assuming Helm continues right where he left off.

wow, why should we trade lilja and samuelsson to sign much worse players? This doesnt make any sense. Chelios is freaking 47 years old and he was a non factor in the cup win and you wanna trade away our players that contributed in our cup win, atleast samuelsson did a fine job in the finals.

get real

[overHandright1 2]

Teams can go over the cap by 10% going into training camp as long as they are at or below at the start of the regular season. Holland should go ahead and sign everyone and see how everything shakes out during camp. I remember Holland saying that signing Lilja was an "insurance policy" deal so if he is able to outperform the younger dmen he should get the nod. Downey and McCarty's two way deals will have a minimal impact on the cap so Holland should be able to sign and keep both if they agree to the terms. Chelios ... hang'em up already.

[jvxp 0]

Teams can go over the cap by 10% going into training camp as long as they are at or below at the start of the regular season. Holland should go ahead and sign everyone and see how everything shakes out during camp. I remember Holland saying that signing Lilja was an "insurance policy" deal so if he is able to outperform the younger dmen he should get the nod. Downey and McCarty's two way deals will have a minimal impact on the cap so Holland should be able to sign and keep both if they agree to the terms. Chelios ... hang'em up already.

agreed

[Doggy 130]

The sad thing is, if it's up to him Chelios won't retire until he's in his 50's.

Holland will literally have to tell him to piss off. That's a shame.

[jvxp 0]

With the defensive core we have, I really don't see a major point in spending money on Chelios. I do hope to see Quincey stay with Detroit and show what he can really do, and as long as we can get McCarty and Downey on two way contracts it could all work out.

:thumbup:

[jvxp 0]

The sad thing is, if it's up to him Chelios won't retire until he's in his 50's.

Holland will literally have to tell him to piss off. That's a shame.

That is so true and it's sad. The game has passed him by.

[wings5gal 0]

The sad thing is, if it's up to him Chelios won't retire until he's in his 50's.

Holland will literally have to tell him to piss off. That's a shame.

Maybe this is where they need to get Yzerman to sit down and have a little talk with him about how retiring doesn't make you any less of a person and that it's ok to do it.

Part of me wonders if Cheli is just sort of afraid to leave. But I'm sure they'd be able to find something for him to do that isn't playing...have him work with the kids in GR or something...that way he won't feel like he's all useless and washed up they could learn from him there. But (and as much as I'm one of the ones who would love to see him stay one more year and will be sad when he does retire) at this point, with as tight as we are to the cap, we really can't spend the money on a d-man that we're not going to play all that often and are just going to be keeping around for the the "depth." If they really want him for the depth, I'm sure they can find a non-playing way for him to do that. I mean, it's Holland, he can do anything.

[jvxp 0]

Maybe this is where they need to get Yzerman to sit down and have a little talk with him about how retiring doesn't make you any less of a person and that it's ok to do it.

Part of me wonders if Cheli is just sort of afraid to leave. But I'm sure they'd be able to find something for him to do that isn't playing...have him work with the kids in GR or something...that way he won't feel like he's all useless and washed up they could learn from him there. But (and as much as I'm one of the ones who would love to see him stay one more year and will be sad when he does retire) at this point, with as tight as we are to the cap, we really can't spend the money on a d-man that we're not going to play all that often and are just going to be keeping around for the the "depth." If they really want him for the depth, I'm sure they can find a non-playing way for him to do that. I mean, it's Holland, he can do anything.

Good point. I'm all for that! I think he would be good in a role to help our young D.

[stud_defenseman 1]

Sign them all. I believe Quincey can still play in GR without having to be waived, so his salary will not go against the cap. Offer Cheli, McCarty and Downey 2-way contracts. The problem is whether or not they will accept them. But to be honest, I doubt there will be any significantly better offers from any other teams.

[58Miles2Joe 12]

My non-expert opinion prediction:

Downey and Mac both sign two-way contracts. Chelios Signs. Ericson (sp?) and Quincy both sign. Lebda or Pain Train get traded, and...meep...Hudler gets traded.