Schneider waived by Ducks/traded to Atlanta.

[Doggy 130]

I thought I had read somewhere it was in like January or February?

Nah it's in May but I read that they'll likely not wait til then and reopen around mid-season.

[eva unit zero 271]

But then Shero wouldn't be able to have Whitney and/or Gonchar return until they were in compliance. Long-term injury relief doesn't mean a team can just go over the cap.

Whitney is out until December due to his injury and subsequent surgery...so that's at least $1.3m in cap hit Shero can expect to have cleared up. Combined with the $1.5m he has free and the $2.5m trading Sydor would free up, that adds up to $5.3m...almost enough for Schneider. If Gonchar has to have surgery, there's no question he'll be out long enough to clear that kind of space and then some. And trading for Schneider would allow the Pens to rest Gonchar and Whitney until they were fully ready to return rather than rushing them back into the lineup.

[Doggy 130]

Whitney is out until December due to his injury and subsequent surgery...so that's at least $1.3m in cap hit Shero can expect to have cleared up. Combined with the $1.5m he has free and the $2.5m trading Sydor would free up, that adds up to $5.3m...almost enough for Schneider. If Gonchar has to have surgery, there's no question he'll be out long enough to clear that kind of space and then some. And trading for Schneider would allow the Pens to rest Gonchar and Whitney until they were fully ready to return rather than rushing them back into the lineup.

What do you mean clears up?? Are you saying Whiney's cap hit drops because he's injured?

I'm not sure I'm following you.

[rage 24]

What do you mean clears up?? Are you saying Whiney's cap hit drops because he's injured?

I'm not sure I'm following you.

I am not following any of this anymore.

Just trade him already!

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

What do you mean clears up?? Are you saying Whiney's cap hit drops because he's injured?

I'm not sure I'm following you.

This is what Eva is referring to:

Long-Term Injuries:

- A player expected to miss at least 10 games and 24 days due to injury can be listed as a long-term injury (LTI).

- An LTI can be covered by replacement players, as long as the replacement salaries do not exceed the salary of the injured player.

- If the replacement salaries would push a team over the salary cap, the team is allowed cap relief, but only for the portion of the salary that exceeds the cap.

- When the injured player returns, the team must immediately comply with the normal terms of the salary cap.

It's just that using the term "cleared up" is kind of misleading on Eva's part. The cap hit doesn't go away when a player gets injured, it just allows for relief if a team is at or near the cap.

[eva unit zero 271]

What do you mean clears up?? Are you saying Whitney's cap hit drops because he's injured?

I'm not sure I'm following you.

Assuming Shero is not a moron; which for Pittsburgh's sake I hope not, as he is their GM; then Whitney will be on LTIR if they truly expect him out as long as has been reported. Which means he will not count on the cap until he is reactivated, but cannot be activated until 24 days after he goes on LTIR.

If you assume that both go on LTIR, and come back as soon as possible, then that would clear up a total of just over $1.16m in cap space from both players. Combine that with the 1.5 the Penguins have available and we're now looking at about $2.65m in cap space. Sydor is the team's #7 defenseman, and makes $2.5m...so his departure to clear cap space, either directly or in a separate deal, makes complete sense if the team were to try and acquire Schneider. That makes $5.15m in cap space. Schneider makes $5.625, so the Pens need to clear up about $500k maximum on top of Sydor. But they wouldn't need to clear it up until trying to bring Whitney and Gonchar back.

If you assume Gonchar returns after the 24 days, and that Whitney returns in December as has been reported...then Gonchar is out for 24 days and Whitney is out for at least 55. This would clear up an additional $667k just from Whitney being out longer; enough for the Schneider/Sydor trade with no additional cap clearing.

In other words...if Gonchar is placed on LTIR, then the Pens have enough cap space to trade Sydor for Schneider, based on their own statements about when Whitney will return. It's not a matter of holding healthy players out of the lineup, as usually injured players are either ready later than the initially expected return date or they return before they should have.

Let's see how Shero handles it.

[Doggy 130]

This is what Eva is referring to:

Long-Term Injuries:

- A player expected to miss at least 10 games and 24 days due to injury can be listed as a long-term injury (LTI).

- An LTI can be covered by replacement players, as long as the replacement salaries do not exceed the salary of the injured player.

- If the replacement salaries would push a team over the salary cap, the team is allowed cap relief, but only for the portion of the salary that exceeds the cap.

- When the injured player returns, the team must immediately comply with the normal terms of the salary cap.

It's just that using the term "cleared up" is kind of misleading on Eva's part. The cap hit doesn't go away when a player gets injured, it just allows for relief if a team is at or near the cap.

Well that's how it is. However, read eva's last post and tell me that's what he's talking about. He seems to think a portion of a players salary is added to the upper limit because he's on LTIR for an extended period.

Eva if this is what you think, please look up and understand what long-term injury relief is.

[eva unit zero 271]

Well that's how it is. However, read eva's last post and tell me that's what he's talking about. He seems to think a portion of a players salary is added to the upper limit because he's on LTIR for an extended period.

Eva if this is what you think, please look up and understand what long-term injury relief is.

The Pens would be allowed cap relief for an amount up to and not exceeding the cap hits for Gonchar and Whitney for the days they were on LTIR. Effectively, this means they would be allowed to exceed the cap by that amount. For a real life example, take a look at the Wings and Jiri Fischer. The Wings exceeded the cap in 2005-06 and 2006-07, but due to the injury exemption granted because of Fischer's LTIR status, they were not considered to have exceeded the cap because they did not exceed the cap by Fischer's cap hit per day multiplied by the number of days he missed.

If Gonchar were on LTIR, the Pens would be allowed to exceed the cap by the value of his cap hit per day times however many days he is out, which is a minimum of 24 if a player is actually assigned to LTIR. Whitney will almost certainly go on LTIR...so the combined 'cap hit per day, times days on LTIR' for each player constitutes the total cap relief the Pens will receive.

[Doggy 130]

The Pens would be allowed cap relief for an amount up to and not exceeding the cap hits for Gonchar and Whitney for the days they were on LTIR. Effectively, this means they would be allowed to exceed the cap by that amount. For a real life example, take a look at the Wings and Jiri Fischer. The Wings exceeded the cap in 2005-06 and 2006-07, but due to the injury exemption granted because of Fischer's LTIR status, they were not considered to have exceeded the cap because they did not exceed the cap by Fischer's cap hit per day multiplied by the number of days he missed.

If Gonchar were on LTIR, the Pens would be allowed to exceed the cap by the value of his cap hit per day times however many days he is out, which is a minimum of 24 if a player is actually assigned to LTIR. Whitney will almost certainly go on LTIR...so the combined 'cap hit per day, times days on LTIR' for each player constitutes the total cap relief the Pens will receive.

Because Jiri Fischer was not returning, Holland did not have to worry about complying to the cap upon his arrival so for all intents and purposes, his cap hit was removed. It's just semantics but the point is, the situation is different and not comparable. If you want to compare situations look at Havlat's cap hit last season.

You're understanding of LTIR is incorrect.

From CBA:

All Player Salary and Bonuses paid to Players on an NHL Active Roster, Injured Reserve or Non Roster that are Unfit to Play – being either injured or suffering from an illness – shall be counted against a Club's Upper Limit, Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary, as well as against the Players' Share.

(a) Illustration: A Player with a Player Salary of $1.5 million becomes unfit to play for more than 24 days and 10 games. At the time the Player becomes unfit to play, the Club has an Averaged Club Salary of $39.5 million, and the Upper Limit is $40 million. The Club may replace the unfit-to-play Player with another Player of Players with an aggregate Player Salary and Bonuses of up to $1.5 million. The first $500,000 of such replacement salary and bonuses shall count toward the Club's Average Club Salary, bringing the Averaged Club Salary to the Upper Limit. The Club may then exceed the Upper Limit by up to another $1 million as a result of the replacement salary and bonuses. However, if the unfit-to-play Player once again becomes fit to play, and the Club has not otherwise created any Payroll Room during the interim period, then the Player shall not be permitted to rejoin the Club until such time as the Club reduces its Averaged Club Salary to below the Upper Limit.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Schneider just needs to be traded soon so all of this will stop. But just for fun, who do you think would have the upper hand in negotiating a trade: Burke who NEEDS to get rid of Schneids, or a team that NEEDS a top tier defensmen?

[eva unit zero 271]

Schneider just needs to be traded soon so all of this will stop. But just for fun, who do you think would have the upper hand in negotiating a trade: Burke who NEEDS to get rid of Schneids, or a team that NEEDS a top tier defensmen?

The answer is obvious. Whoever is not Burke.

[Doggy 130]

When proven wrong, I will admit it. Nobody's perfect.

Sorry, I just had to dig up this quote.

[Duck Guy 86]

Atlanta, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Vancouver and New Jersey rumored to be in the mix.

[russianswede919293 95]

All I know is that if he cant trade Schneider no Selanne....and I like the sounds of that.

[egroen 384]

One thing all this has convinced me of though --

Burke really did think Selanne and Neidermayer were done. There was no conspiracy. Those guys coming back has just become a nightmare and may ultimately set that team back 5 years. Especially if they end up losing Ryan over it.

Not that I ever bought into it before, but the conspiracy theory was a handy way to dislike Burke even more. Watching him bumble through all this is way more entertaining.

[Uncle Danny 155]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but according to ESPN, Schneider is now a Thrasher.

Schneider Traded To Atlanta

Veteran defeneman Mathieu Schneider has been traded to the Thrashers, a source close to the deal told ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun. Schneider had one year left on his contract with Anaheim. Details to come.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/index

Edited September 26, 2008 by Uncle Danny

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Atlanta certainly needs the help on defense.

I feel bad for Schneids though because the Thrashers are a pathetic team.

[Uncle Danny 155]

Atlanta certainly needs the help on defense.

I feel bad for Schneids though because the Thrashers are a pathetic team.

Yeah. This should help Kovalchuk's numbers, but it's a sad way for Schenider to end his career.

I wonder what they gave up for him?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Confirmed: http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=250802&lid...os=topStory_nhl

The Atlanta Thrashers have acquired defenceman Mathieu Schneider from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Ken Klee and forwards Brad Larsen and Chad Painchaud.

Ouch....sucks to be Schneider.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Ouch....sucks to be Schneider.

Oh I know, I really feel bad for him. Atlanta was probably the last place Schneider wanted to end up.

[Uncle Danny 155]

From TSN:

The Atlanta Thrashers have acquired defenceman Mathieu Schneider from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Ken Klee and forwards Brad Larsen and Chad Painchaud.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=250802&amp...=headlines_main

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

NM. I'm too slow once again.

Edited September 26, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[GoWings1905 2,694]

If I recall correctly earlier in the thread, Eva called the Ken Klee portion of the trade.

Impressive dude.

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

If I recall correctly earlier in the thread, Eva called the Ken Klee portion of the trade.

Impressive dude.

haha, that was my first thought too. Kudos.

[MacK_Attack 108]

Schneider's stay in Atlanta will be short. He'll have a new team at the trade deadline.