Kyle Quincey

[DatsyukownzU13 1]

I went to the game last night and I just really don't trust Quincey at all. He looks really tentative and shaky at times. Meech looked much better. He has a good shot and is really mobile. Kind of like an upgraded version of Lebda.

What do you think is going to happen with the bottom D pairing?

Ideally, I would love to see Lily and Lebda both out of there and have Meech and Ericsson, but I definitely doubt that would happen (especially them being together as rookies).

[lfd250 1]

It is very hard to see how a player will play without the proper support. I too was at the game, and felt the oppisite that Meech and Lebda didn't play a good game. Although the played against the topped dressed players of Boston, they both looked out of place. But how will they play agaist the 3rd or 4th lines of other teams until they learn more. That's what I want to see.

[Superman54 91]

I liked Quincey's play in the 2007 playoffs, so im not gonna judge his Pre-season play just yet

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I went to the game last night and I just really don't trust Quincey at all. He looks really tentative and shaky at times. Meech looked much better. He has a good shot and is really mobile. Kind of like an upgraded version of Lebda.

What do you think is going to happen with the bottom D pairing?

Ideally, I would love to see Lily and Lebda both out of there and have Meech and Ericsson, but I definitely doubt that would happen (especially them being together as rookies).

No shocker there- Quincey's the least talented and least valuable Red Wings defensive prospect. It sucks but it's true. He really needed to impress during these preseason games and he's done the exact opposite. I still stand by my original belief that the Wings should've traded him after the 06-07 playoffs while his stock was high.

Ericsson and Meech have both been impressive so far this preseason. Hopefully they keep it up. Meech is a good kid and deserves the shot to play regular minutes.

Big Rig might make the team but he's going to have to blow Meech right out of the water and make Lillypad look silly.

As far as your last statement: I agree- Meech is Lebda with the ability to play hockey instead of speedskating with hockey gear on.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I liked Quincey's play in the 2007 playoffs, so im not gonna judge his Pre-season play just yet

What about his terrible play in GR this season? He really needs to wake up and start working his butt off given the talented prospects he's fighting for a spot against.

[South Dakota wings fan 7]

I went to the game last night and I just really don't trust Quincey at all. He looks really tentative and shaky at times. Meech looked much better. He has a good shot and is really mobile. Kind of like an upgraded version of Lebda.

What do you think is going to happen with the bottom D pairing?

Ideally, I would love to see Lily and Lebda both out of there and have Meech and Ericsson, but I definitely doubt that would happen (especially them being together as rookies).

At this point, the question of which defensemen will stay with the team and who will go has been sliced and diced just about every way possible. Earlier tonight, I was watching game one of the finals on my DVR, and I thought of a question.

If Lilja is the d-man who would be the odd man out, who would replace him on the PK? Lilja frustrates the hell out of me too when he makes his bonehead mistakes. But of the other guys on the squad, I don't see Raffie killing penalties too often. I would think that Kronner and Stuart make the #2 PK unit. Cheli is going to play part time barring several injuries. I think Lebda would be useless on a PK. Same with Meech. So, is Quincey the man you want to hitch to Lids on the top PK unit? I don't know if I would want to see that happen. At least not this coming season without some more seasoning.

Now, if Lebda or Meech is the odd man out; do they have more trade value? If you can get a draft pick for Lebda at all, you already have gotten more back than you gave to get him. But, you may get more out of Meech because he probably has more upside. With Ericsson waiting in the wings for next season, do we really need another PP guy?

Lots of questions, but good problems to have.

Can't wait for the season to start!!! Just got tickets today to go see the Wings @ Wild 1/3/09.

[ZigZagYourTorso 8]

I was at the game and didn't think Quincey looked too bad. I thought he was better then 3 of our other defenseman that night. Actually if you ask me none of the defense played to great that game. But I was really excited to finally see Kindl play....and well....he dissapointed me. He made quite a few mistakes and seemed really nervous out there. But I mean at the same time this was the first preseason game I've ever attended. The whole game seemed really sloppy and slow on both teams parts. The only players that stuck out was Tuukka Rask(Made some crazy saves) for the Bruins and Kopecky looks like he is playing with a vengeance this year.

[wingfan40 1]

IMO i would say they will move Quincey and maybe Lebda. If they need to make cap space they will have to move a few guys.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

One bad pre-season game and it's time to give up on Quincey?

Just wait and see what happens, one exibition game means nothing.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

One bad pre-season game and it's time to give up on Quincey?

Just wait and see what happens, one exibition game means nothing.

Actually, my reasons for giving up on him are:

--Worst defensive call up last year in February (he was the first to be sent back down, Big Rig being the last)

--Horrible season in Grand Rapids last year (as in Kindl bad, but Kindl was a first year pro that will only get better with time)

--Horrible performance in preseason inter-squad scrimige games and preseason games vs other teams

--Apparently he's regressed since his playoff experience in 07

--The Wings have half a dozen more promising defensive prospects than him

--If it comes down to Meech or Quincey we all know who wins. And that only settles the log jam this year- next year Ericsson comes up for sure and he'll be playing on one of the top three pairings, no question- the management has already said that.

[thedisappearer 291]

--The Wings have half a dozen more promising defensive prospects than him

Can I get the name of the other six, please?

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Can I get the name of the other six, please?

1. Jonathan Ericsson

2. Derek Meech

3. Jakub Kindl

4. Brendan Smith

5. Logan Pyett

6. Max Nicastro

[miller76 463]

I am definetly unsure about Quincey's drive to be in the big leagues. I don't understand the logic from playing in the 07 postseason and not being a bad player or liability in his end. And then go out and play a season in GR like he did.

I would be in favor with trading Quincey, Lebda, or Meech for a decent return. Obviously just not all of them together. Lilja I can handle for now.

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Edited September 29, 2008 by miller76

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Is it possable that they could also move a forward to get the cap space or is it just

down to the D being too overloaded. I mean Ericsson is looking good, and Babs has

stated he'd love him in his lineup already. Maybe Quincey Meech and a FWD to get us

under the cap and have #52 stay up.

[CenterIce 83]

Actually, my reasons for giving up on him are:

--Worst defensive call up last year in February (he was the first to be sent back down, Big Rig being the last)

Because they knew what they were getting from Quincey, but Ericsson hadn't been up, yet. They wanted to see what he could do.

Edited September 30, 2008 by CenterIce

[theman19 47]

1. Jonathan Ericsson

2. Derek Meech

3. Jakub Kindl

4. Brendan Smith

5. Logan Pyett

6. Max Nicastro

Thanks, i was stuck on the sixth one.

[DatsyukownzU13 1]

Lilja probably isn't going anywhere.

hhttp://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2008/09/helm_leino_appear_destined_for.html

"We got some huge decisions on the back end," Babcock said. "I thought Lils was real good tonight. Lils for me is a real solid, NHL five-six guy (fifth or sixth defenseman), big body, good penalty-killer, real important part of our team. So when you go through everything, the math doesn't work out. We got five more (exhibition games) to figure it all out."

I'm guessing that makes a move involving Lebda a lot more likely than I thought?

[egroen 384]

You missed the last part....

— Babcock on the roster decisions to be made on defense ... "We've got some huge decisions on the back end. ... Lils (Lilja) for me is a real solid 5-6 guy. Big body. Good penalty killer. Real important part of our team. When you go through it, the math doesn't work out." The interesting thing about that quote is that the question asked was about Jonathan Ericsson, not Lilja.

I'd actually say that is a clear sign they are shopping him, and boosting his value a bit through the press.

And as for "Who will replace Lilja on the PK?" -- Stuart will.

Lidstrom, Kronwall and Stuart will see regular PK duty... Chelios of course when he is playing and Rafalski is definitely capable of playing on the PK. If Quincey or Ericsson make the team, they will see time and Lebda is fine on the second unit as well. I am unsure about Meech.

Also look at TOI, which may or may not be an indication as well. Last game Lilja had 16:42, lowest of the 6, with his competition Meech getting 19:09 (4th most). Ericsson was between them. Game before, Meech led all D with 24:09 (and had the lone Wings goal) when Q got 2nd lowest TOI with 16:04.

Edited September 29, 2008 by egroen

[Shutemdown 23]

Wow... this board is so hot-cold sometimes...

We were just talking a week ago about how Quincey is a solid D-man with good potential. What happened? One preseason game goes by and he's no longer a good prospect?

He's a big body, he's solid defensively (maybe not in the game you saw, but still), and he's been training to fight with Downey.

Lilja isn't going anywhere, you can tell Babcock is pretty fond of him.

I watched Quincey play in the first preseason game and he played really well. He was arguably the best D-man for us that game, besides Ericsson.

I wouldn't be too quick to write him off... he's still definately a legit defenseman.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Wow... this board is so hot-cold sometimes...

We were just talking a week ago about how Quincey is a solid D-man with good potential. What happened? One preseason game goes by and he's no longer a good prospect?

He's a big body, he's solid defensively (maybe not in the game you saw, but still), and he's been training to fight with Downey.

Lilja isn't going anywhere, you can tell Babcock is pretty fond of him.

I watched Quincey play in the first preseason game and he played really well. He was arguably the best D-man for us that game, besides Ericsson.

I wouldn't be too quick to write him off... he's still definately a legit defenseman.

Actually- most people on this board are pretty consistent in their stance on most issues. You can't call the board hot/cold because one group likes him one week and a completely different group of people voice concern about him another.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

1. Jonathan Ericsson

2. Derek Meech

3. Jakub Kindl

4. Brendan Smith

5. Logan Pyett

6. Max Nicastro

How could you honestly have Pyett and Nicastro ahead of Quincey? Until they prove that they're even AHL standard then there is no way you could place them ahead of Quincey. Kindl and Smith both are very young and have a lot to prove. The guys ranked 3-6 all might be promising, and MIGHT have higher upside (very questionable on Pyett, perhaps even Nicastro) but they are miles off the level Quincey is currently at and they might never even reach his level.

[egroen 384]

Lilja isn't going anywhere, you can tell Babcock is pretty fond of him.

It's called "Over the Salary Cap"... and Lilja alone gets the Wings below it.

I still think they would trade one other player just for a little more wiggle room, but I strongly believe Lilja is to be traded -- it just makes so much logical sense.

The fact Quincey is not getting much playtime, and is not impressing, leads me to believe his future here is in a lot of doubt. My bet is they try and put him through waivers and play him in GR if he passes... there is probably a pretty good chance he will clear them, but if he does not, it will probably not be the biggest loss in the world.

[2probert4 8]

What about his terrible play in GR this season? He really needs to wake up and start working his butt off given the talented prospects he's fighting for a spot against.

He's still better than Lebda, guy had one shaky game and everyone is ready to throw him under the bus. He did well for us in the playoffs when Schneider was out, and whats Lebda EVER done? Lilja was signed because Holland wasn't sure if Stuart was returning. If Stuart had given notice that he was staying, Lilja wouldn't be here either. Ericsson should be the one playing IMO. Im sure one of the Lebda lovers on here wont agree, but too bad.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

How could you honestly have Pyett and Nicastro ahead of Quincey? Until they prove that they're even AHL standard then there is no way you could place them ahead of Quincey. Kindl and Smith both are very young and have a lot to prove. The guys ranked 3-6 all might be promising, and MIGHT have higher upside (very questionable on Pyett, perhaps even Nicastro) but they are miles off the level Quincey is currently at and they might never even reach his level.

Easily. Quincey has far less potential than them, and while Pyett doesn't have his size he outplayed Quincey by far during training camp. Pyett really made an impression on the Wings management. Nicastro is a fresh draftee with more potential than Quincey ever did. Nicastro projects as a top 4 d-man, Quincey's struggling to take and run with an oppertunity to succeed in the NHL that he's being given since playing in the 07 playoffs.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

He's still better than Lebda, guy had one shaky game and everyone is ready to throw him under the bus. He did well for us in the playoffs when Schneider was out, and whats Lebda EVER done? Lilja was signed because Holland wasn't sure if Stuart was returning. If Stuart had given notice that he was staying, Lilja wouldn't be here either. Ericsson should be the one playing IMO. Im sure one of the Lebda lovers on here wont agree, but too bad.

He didn't have one shaky game! He was shaky in every single call up game last year. He was shaky in every single AHL game last year. Quincey's had more than a year since that 07 call up to prove himself and all he's done is erode the good faith he earned back then.