Iginla is undisciplined

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Iginla is a visor wearing spotpicker. He's basically a smaller version of Chris Pronger and a guy that I will never like as long as he's in the league.

[ben_usmc 253]

He's a piece of s***

agreed, people love him but he is just another Avery with hands and doesn't even have the balls to speak his mind.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

agreed, people love him but he is just another Avery with hands and doesn't even have the balls to speak his mind.

WTF does that mean? So becuase the guy is well spoken but tends to stay out of the spotlight so far as the press he doesn't have balls? Can you clarify your statement.

Exactly what should Iggy be speaking about? What is on his mind? Are you privy to these things and know he wants to say something but won't? It's my understanding that that is the only way you would be able to make your claim.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Exactly. Thansk for pinpointing the idea. I've always liked his combination of toughness and skill. But last night, already frustrated from getting creamed by the Canucks, he gets nailed by a clean hockey hit. If I remember correctly, he just got rubbed out big time against the boards. Point is that it was a clean hit.

He went off on a hunting rampage, totally took him out of his game. He chased guys down and hit them late, not even making good contact but still trying to force the hit for retaliation sake, and just looked like an idiot.

Yeah, I suppose that may be hockey, but its stupid hockey.

If he would not have complained to the ref, but rather just lined up a well timed hit on some one or even hit the same guy that hit him, or even fought the same guy that hit him, there would be no post complaining about Iginla. But he ran around like a 5 year old having a melt down.

I was actually hoping for good things from he and Bertuzzi on the same line, but now I just think they're both show too much whiner tendencies.

Okay, but why are we singling him out? I could've singled out 1/2 the Ducks roster last night midway through the 3rd period against San Jose.

It might be stupid hockey but its also been that way forever, is nothing new, and countless players do it. Oh wait, no Wings players do it.

They play this commercial on the hockey network about Ace Bailey and Eddie Shore I believe. Shore gets leveled by a clean hit from somebody. Gets up steaming mad and decides to steamroll the first Maple Leaf he can find, who was Ace Bailey. Bailey cracks skull on ice, has emergency surgery, nearly dies, career as a player ends. Shore ends up in Hall of Fame (along with Bailey).

My point is that players have always gotten miffed about getting run over, clean or not. To single anybody out for it is redundant and a waste of time. You can watch any game and you'll see somebody get hit legally and get up and want a piece of somebody. Especially if the hittee's team is getting trounced.

Hell, when our guys get run over cleanly we cry like babies for somebody to go do something about it. We cried like little girls for Kenny to sign Downey or somebody to do something about the hits that leveled Franzen, Williams, Lebda, etc...

Yup, that's right, when Wings players get run over by clean hits we throw our arms up and want somebody to go beat up the other guy. Is that "smart" hockey? Is that any different from what Iggy did with his "stupid" hockey?

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

My guess is you've never heard of Mark Messier.

Seriously, what is it with this whining. Jerome is pretty much the only legitimate power forward still playing these days. At least he's the only one capable of bagging 90 points, drilling people and dropping the mits. So he got plowed over. Did he get up looking for a call because he thought the hit was illegal? Or did he get up wanting a call b/c he thinks he's too important to get hit? I doubt the latter is true.

And who cares how Dats or Z conduct themselves on the ice? Leaders lead in different ways. Iggy is more like Messier. Dats, Lids, etc...are more like Stevie. Neither way can crown itself as the "standard" or "best" way to lead.

This is hockey. Players lose their cool, especially when they're getting beat soundly. You act like this is either A) shocking to you, which go figure, this is fecking hockey for christ sake or B) that if you wear a "C" you have to tuck your tail between your legs and lose quietly and any emotional outburst or nasty play is just so horrifying your delicate sensibilities can't handle it.

People need to get over what happened in 07.

All people do is ***** and complain that the league is losing its toughness, becoming Eurofied, that the league is taking the hitting, the rivalries, the toughness out of the game.

And then you come on here and whenever somebody gets tough with the Wings we act like a bunch of ******* babies about it.

IT'S HOCKEY! IT'S EMOTIONAL! AND GODAMMIT IT'S MORE ENTERTAINING WHEN TEAMS HATE ON EACH OTHER!

Bunch of pansies on this board this morning. WTF?

WHAM... now you just got hit, and didn't see it coming. Do you keep playing or look to the ref? Do you really think he looked at the ref because he was smart enough to know if it was legal or not? I don't care if he goes out and starts a fight over it, that's good entertainment. Just don't assume that he's that smart, most of the time these guys had no clue about hits until they review them or someone on the team tell them immediately after.

I'm not a fan of iggy because he's a ingame drama queen, however I'm fine with fighting in the game. I'm all for Downey and Mac getting some valuable box time as long as we keep winning.

[T.Low 1,011]

Like the title of the thread indicates, now I see what people are talking about in regards to Iginla, becuase before I did not. When people say that about the Ducks, I already understand and agreed. Before, I disagreed about Iginla. Thats why I singled him out.

Last night I was watching the Calgary/Canucks game. Saw what happened and how he responded and I thought to said to myself "T.Low, thats what the guys on LGW are talking about in regards to Iginla. You need to give credit where credit is due". So I posted it.

I would have thought that you could have minimized your time that you say was waisted by not responding to the OP and simply move on to something not waisteful. Thats kind of a benefit of the internet.

And like I indicated in the OP, Datsyuk or Zetteberg does not react the same way, and I do not throw my arms up in the air and cry. I like seeing the Wings respond with a score and a win instead of flying around half cocked and letting it get under their skin and get them off thier game.

I am a fan of disciplined sport. Thats the style of hockey I play, the style of basketball I play, and the way I race white water slalom. Keep focused. There is a time for hitting and fighting to be sure, but Iginla made an idiot of himself last night, not a leader, and it cost his team. I don't fear those guys. The guys I fear are the ones who get tougher and player harder and are more difficult to stop when they get beat on more. There are guys in our league that you don't want to upset, because then you will not be able to stop them. The "Oh s***, you just awoke a sleeping giant" guys. Those are the guys I want on my team. No the ones who want to fight when they are frustrated.

Edit: (Tori) Spelling and typos

Edited October 10, 2008 by T.Low

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Iginla takes a penalty when trailing 3-0? Big deal! Him yelling a little bit at the ref, showing some emotion, might even spark the team enough to get them back into it.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Like the title of the thread indicates, now I see what people are talking about in regards to Iginla, becuase before I did not. When people say that about the Ducks, I already understand and agreed. Before, I disagreed about Iginla. Thats why I singled him out.

Last night I was watching the Calgary/Canucks game. Saw what happened and how he responded and I thought to said to myself "T.Low, thats what the guys on LGW are talking about in regards to Iginla. You need to give credit where credit is due". So I posted it.

I would have thought that you could have minimized your time that you say was waisted by not responding to the OP and simply move on to something not waisteful. Thats kind of a benefit of the internet.

And like I indicated in the OP, Datsyuk or Zetteberg does not react the same way, and I do not throw my arms up in the air and cry. I like seeing the Wings respond with a score and a win instead of flying around half cocked and letting it get under their skin and get them off thier game.

I am a fan of disciplined sport. Thats the style of hockey I play, the style of basketball I play, and the way I race white water slalom. Keep focused. There is a time for hitting and fighting to be sure, but Iginla made an idiot of himself last night, not a leader, and it cost his team. I don't fear those guys. The guys I fear are the ones who get tougher and player harder and are more difficult to stop when they get beat on more. There are guys in our league that you don't want to upset, because then you will not be able to stop them. The "Oh s***, you just awoke a sleeping giant" guys. Those are the guys I want on my team. No the ones who want to fight when they are frustrated.

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That's fine and dandy but weren't the Flames getting their butts handed to them and it was late in the game?

What was Iginla going to do, "wake up" and score a hat trick in 5 minutes or something?

Yes, there's a time for hitting and fighting. IMO, if you can't win the game, you've gotten your butt handed to you all night, you're frustrated and somebody steamrolls you, what better time to go out and send a message.

You play your way and others play a different way. Frankly, when I have been on the losing end of a lopsided game I get pissed off as hell. And if somebody flattens me late in the game with the outcome pretty much decided, you bet your ass i'm going to hit somebody back. I'm probably going to two-hand the closest guy to me and shove somebody down just to try and start a fight. But that's me. And that's Iginla apparently too.

For what its worth, I don't consider myself stupid and I don't think Iggy does either. We're just a different type of player than you. Whether we look like an idiot to you is of no consequence to me and Iggy probably doesn't give a s***. He's pissed and he's going to get a piece of somebody. I have no problem with that. Now pulling a Mclennan and doing something with intent to injure is a different story and i'm not advocating that just to be clear.

[T.Low 1,011]

Iginla takes a penalty when trailing 3-0? Big deal! Him yelling a little bit at the ref, showing some emotion, might even spark the team enough to get them back into it.

Juuuuust kinda skimmed the thread, didn't ya. Yep. Reeeeeeeally didn't read much at all, huh...(heavy sigh)

Thanks for your input.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Iginla takes a penalty when trailing 3-0? Big deal! Him yelling a little bit at the ref, showing some emotion, might even spark the team enough to get them back into it.

EXACTLY!

[Vincanni 1]

Iginla is a huge D-bag, I don't really care how nice he may be off the ice. When he's frustrated he shows his true colors.

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

I think Iginla is one of the best forwards in the league. Top 10 for sure. If the Wings roster wasn't so stacked, I'd love to have him on our roster.

[T.Low 1,011]

That's fine and dandy but weren't the Flames getting their butts handed to them and it was late in the game?

What was Iginla going to do, "wake up" and score a hat trick in 5 minutes or something?

Yes, there's a time for hitting and fighting. IMO, if you can't win the game, you've gotten your butt handed to you all night, you're frustrated and somebody steamrolls you, what better time to go out and send a message.

You play your way and others play a different way. Frankly, when I have been on the losing end of a lopsided game I get pissed off as hell. And if somebody flattens me late in the game with the outcome pretty much decided, you bet your ass i'm going to hit somebody back. I'm probably going to two-hand the closest guy to me and shove somebody down just to try and start a fight. But that's me. And that's Iginla apparently too.

For what its worth, I don't consider myself stupid and I don't think Iggy does either. We're just a different type of player than you. Whether we look like an idiot to you is of no consequence to me and Iggy probably doesn't give a s***. He's pissed and he's going to get a piece of somebody. I have no problem with that. Now pulling a Mclennan and doing something with intent to injure is a different story and i'm not advocating that just to be clear.

He sent a message alright. The message he sent confirmed what people here have been sayig about him: he's a sensitive boy and its easy to get under his skin and take him off his game.

You know guys are just sitting there on the bench telling each other "Dude, watch this. I'm gonna rap Iggy a good one, then watch him get pissed and chase me around the rink like a little girl. Meanwhile, if you're not laughing so hard that you pee your hockey pants, you pick up his puck and score with it while the Flames are watching their Captain try to lay a little scream on me."

Granted, I don't ever want to fight Jerome Iginla: he'd kill me. Point is, he's got a bit of a rep here on LGW, and last night I saw more evidence of it than I wanted to, and felt I couldn't defend him any longer.

Would I like to play shinny on the lake with him, of course. Would I like to have him show me around Calgary, of course. Would I want Holland to make him Captain of the Wings once Lidst retires, no way. Would I want my kid to emulate that on the ice, no.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

He sent a message alright. The message he sent confirmed what people here have been sayig about him: he's a sensitive boy and its easy to get under his skin and take him off his game.

You know guys are just sitting there on the bench telling each other "Dude, watch this. I'm gonna rap Iggy a good one, then watch him get pissed and chase me around the rink like a little girl. Meanwhile, if you're not laughing so hard that you pee your hockey pants, you pick up his puck and score with it while the Flames are watching their Captain try to lay a little scream on me."

Granted, I don't ever want to fight Jerome Iginla: he'd kill me. Point is, he's got a bit of a rep here on LGW, and last night I saw more evidence of it than I wanted to, and felt I couldn't defend him any longer.

Would I like to play shinny on the lake with him, of course. Would I like to have him show me around Calgary, of course. Would I want Holland to make him Captain of the Wings once Lidst retires, no way. Would I want my kid to emulate that on the ice, no.

I'm not sure if you're insinuating you're better than anybody who acts differently. I guess there's a place for graceful losers.

If there were a time my team got waxed 9-1 or something and somebody runs over me, i'm going to get up and go after them. I call that passion and message sending.

Next time you get waxed 9-1 and get bowled over at the end I suppose you're just going to get up and keep playing and eventually skate off the ice without so much as a wimper.

I have a name for that but I won't say it here. You can guess what i'm insinuating though.

I'd be thrilled to have this guy lead my team.

Edited October 10, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted

[wingnut40 176]

He's a goon. Always has been, always will be. I hate him almost as much as pronger.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

In a perfect world I'd take Iginla in a heartbeat. Still one of the best power forwards out there. I didn't see this game last night or highlights or this incident, but not everybody is going to lead quietly and behind the scenes like Yzerman usually did and Lidstrom does now.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Yeah I don't like Iginla. He is typical canadian dummy who cannot accept defeat and he does stupid things when trailing. I hope he never wins the Cup.

...I thought Iggy played for the Flames? According to this post, he plays for the CanadiEns, because I know you aren't refering to CanadiAn people being typically dumb, right? I hope you typed CanadiEns by mistake and meant to put "typical FLAMES dummy"

[T.Low 1,011]

I'm not sure if you're insinuating you're better than anybody who acts differently. I guess there's a place for graceful losers.

If there were a time my team got waxed 9-1 or something and somebody runs over me, i'm going to get up and go after them. I call that passion and message sending.

Next time you get waxed 9-1 and get bowled over at the end I suppose you're just going to get up and keep playing and eventually skate off the ice without so much as a wimper.

I have a name for that but I won't say it here. You can guess what i'm insinuating though.

I'd be thrilled to have this guy lead my team.

I don't see the point in going up to an opponent at the end of a 9-1 shalacking and effectively saying, "Hi, we obviously can't beat you in hockey but I can punch you in the face." Exactly what is the message there? There is a place in hockey for fighting, but that aint it. Thats called being a sore loser.

[Statts 4]

Iginla plays on the edge, sometimes over, but will back it up with the fists. If he was on the Wings many people here would be on hands and knees. Hell all the talk about toughness here, he brings that along with top scoring. But being a leader on the team sometimes he needs to keep his cool and set an example. Sooo… I will copp out and say I am torn on the issue.

[DatsyukownzU13 1]

I would love to have Iginla on the Wings... I think Daymond Lankow is a bigger ***** for all of that if anything.

[ben_usmc 253]

WTF does that mean? So becuase the guy is well spoken but tends to stay out of the spotlight so far as the press he doesn't have balls? Can you clarify your statement.

Exactly what should Iggy be speaking about? What is on his mind? Are you privy to these things and know he wants to say something but won't? It's my understanding that that is the only way you would be able to make your claim.

Sorry for getting back to you so late but it means if your going to have the balls to play like an ******* don't pretend your a saint.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Everyone makes mistakes. Iginla's anger causes him to make mistakes, but he will never give up until the final horn goes, and I admire that in a hockey player. Obviously cheap crosschecks on Mathieu Schnieder are garbage, but whenhe does it clean, I love it.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I don't see the point in going up to an opponent at the end of a 9-1 shalacking and effectively saying, "Hi, we obviously can't beat you in hockey but I can punch you in the face." Exactly what is the message there? There is a place in hockey for fighting, but that aint it. Thats called being a sore loser.

Well we're just different kinds of people then. I for one have never understood why the term "sore loser" is associated with something bad. This isn't your 6 year old's local soccer team. This is the NHL. You save the handshakes and the graciousness for the end of a playoff series. Not for the regular season. Frankly, I missed class the day they taught people how to lose graciously. I hate losing. I don't accept losing and will never accept losing. Sore? You bet your s*** i'm a sore loser. I hate it and it pisses me off to lose. I don't see that as being a negative at all.

Edited October 11, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted

[eva unit zero 271]

Well we're just different kinds of people then. I for one have never understood why the term "sore loser" is associated with something bad. This isn't your 6 year old's local soccer team. This is the NHL. You save the handshakes and the graciousness for the end of a playoff series. Not for the regular season. Frankly, I missed class the day they taught people how to lose graciously. I hate losing. I don't accept losing and will never accept losing. Sore? You bet your s*** i'm a sore loser. I hate it and it pisses me off to lose. I don't see that as being a negative at all.

I personally can't stand losing either. But to turn your stick into a weapon at any stage of the game is unacceptable, especially if done because the other team is simply beating you. Perhaps I have developed that from the fact I am actually trained in armed combat, but I don't think the stick should ever be used against another player regardless of the reason. So what if Iginla was pissed off that his team was losing. That doesn't make him a great leader. The ability to attack your opponent, by itself, is not leadership. And the way Iginla did it in the examples being mentioned here? That's not leadership either. Leadership, when involving physical altercations, would be something like what Datsyuk did in the finals.

And "Sore Loser" in the context presented here is bad because it indicates that a certain player or players is/are not going to simply play out the game; rather once it appears they are going to lose they are going to start headhunting; this is where the problem is, the intent to injure. Iginla does this, most old school enforcers did this; Iginla is a worse offender because he is actually going to be on the ice.

[ben_usmc 253]

Saint?

I take it you mean Iggy's personality off ice?

From what I've heard/read - he's a good guy; just an intense competitor who hates losing while playing the game he loves...Like a few others here - I'd take Iggy on my team any day; can never have enough of those guys on your team; IMHO that kind of passion/intensity helps create an atmosphere/chemistry in which a team can repeat as Stanley Cup Champions.

or get beat in the first round because you can't maintain your composure.