Would you trade

[The Secret 304]

I would do it.... would you?

Discuss.

[Shutemdown 23]

Not in a million years.

But good job trying to stir up a debate.

[DatsyukownzU13 1]

Yes.

Crosby brings so much to the table, it's ridiculous. Not to mention he's 21, which is an age that most players haven't even reached the NHL yet let alone put up two consecutive 100 point seasons with a third one pro-rated to that. He's extremely good, and great for any market.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Good lord no. One of the two for Crosby would be a nice debate, but both is ridiculous.

[55fan 5,133]

Sure, if I were a pedophile.

[Slave 31]

i know it's lunch time but are you eating retard sandwiches? 2 for 1? crazy i would still probably turn down an offer for crosby strait up either pav OR Z.

I'd trade Hossa and sammy for crosby though

and i didn't want to offend you with the retard comment if it did offend you, i just thought is was a funny line

[HomeNugget 2]

Two top five players for one top five player? No.

[Sgt Sharpie 4]

Good lord no. One of the two for Crosby would be a nice debate, but both is ridiculous.

agreed, id consider 1 or the other, no way in hell do they both go

farnkly i value each of them higher than crosby because they play a more complete game

[hckypete96 3]

no way. I would however, trade Datsyuk for Crosby straight up... and I love Datsyuk.

[ilmickeyli 40]

Sure, if I were a pedophile.

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edit: absolutely not!

Edited October 17, 2008 by ilmickeyli

[DatsyukownzU13 1]

I'll be honest, I was trying to stir the pot with my 1st post just to see some reactions. But with that said, if you wouldn't trade one of the two for Crosby, you really need to take off the blinders.

He's 21 years old. 294 points in 213 games. Two 100 points seasons as an 18 year old and 19 year old (102, 120). +25 on a team that was completely awful for his first year. He completey changed that franchise around. Last place to Cup finals in 2 years. I could go on, but you get the point.

[ilmickeyli 40]

So is it one of them, or both?

Which is your question?

[The Secret 304]

i know it's lunch time but are you eating retard sandwiches? 2 for 1? crazy i would still probably turn down an offer for crosby strait up either pav OR Z.

I'd trade Hossa and sammy for crosby though

and i didn't want to offend you with the retard comment if it did offend you, i just thought is was a funny line

Hahaha, no offense taken. I was just having this discussion with a friend and fellow LGW'er and thought I would include everyone. I like how Dats and Zet have developed but I Love to see how much ground Crosby has covered in such a short career. He is the real deal and will only get better and can you imagine what he could do in our organization? 2 for 1 maybe be much but I would risk it for what The Kid has to offer.

[egroen 384]

I wouldn't.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg have years of peak productivity left, are miles ahead defensively and fit this system incredibly well, all for a nice discount. Crosby is worth A LOT, but not two top 5 forwards in the league, both in their prime.

[maltbymaniac 13]

Sure, if I were a pedophile.

lmfao..+1 for that

ill pass on crosby.

[Guest mindfly]

i wouldnt trade datsyuk or zetterberg alone for crosby.

[russianswede919293 95]

Not unless I was high on crack....

[Shutemdown 23]

In the same respect, age does come into play for Pav and Hank, as well...

Nothing against Crosby, I have a tremendous amount of respect for what he did for their team and his own personal stats, but there's more than just numbers on a sheet.

He lacks leadership. Yes, he was thrust into the captain position and the face/spokesman for the NHL, whether or not it was willingly, who cares. I understand he's young and it may come with time, but I hate the fact that he makes excuses for eveything.

When his team was legitimately getting BEAT by the BETTER TEAM, instead of rallying his team, blaming himself for certain errors or mental lapses, recognizing where his team went wrong, he sat there and blamed the officiating, the calls, the bounces, the ice, the humidity level, the positioning of the stars, etc. Everything EXCEPT admitting that he had been outplayed.

Pav and Hank would never do that. They're too classy.

Pav and hank have devoted themselves to the Red Wings system, and with that they know they're expected to remain calm and composed in the face of adversity, and they do it flawlessly.

When they play a down game, they acknowledge that, first and foremost, they could have played better. MAYBE they'll bring up a tough call, but for the most part, they're responsible and self-aware. They know they could've played better and that it was their own fault (most of the time) that they lost.

Crosby, although his *points* are off the charts, his character does not fit the DRW system and I, for one, would DESPISE seeing him in a Wings jersey, I don't even care how good he is.

Pav and Hank are the faces of the team, I'd keep it that way, hands down.

[Duck Guy 86]

like said before he is not worth both of them but 1 i would see possible...

[uk_redwing 495]

This is the thread equivilant of an ice fireguard.

Id trade the entire team for Crosby. Except Hudler and Samuelsson. Then my 3 most hated players can get their ass beaten every night. Would be sweet.

[b.shanafan14 733]

For BOTH?! Are you insane? Hell no...

[ZETTERBERGPWN 2]

i hate crosby so .. no

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

Hell no to Z + Dats.... I Would trade Hossa + Franzen + Hudler for Ovie.

Crosby is the epitome of the modern american influence. Got a problem about something? ***** and whine and discuss things until you either get your way or it doesn't matter anymore. He's an incredable athlete, but it's only cause he doesn't get the s*** kicked outta him on a regular basis. Lets see him do what Howe did on a nightly basis.

[wingnut22 81]

no.

[DatsyukownzU13 1]

In the same respect, age does come into play for Pav and Hank, as well...

Nothing against Crosby, I have a tremendous amount of respect for what he did for their team and his own personal stats, but there's more than just numbers on a sheet.

He lacks leadership. Yes, he was thrust into the captain position and the face/spokesman for the NHL, whether or not it was willingly, who cares. I understand he's young and it may come with time, but I hate the fact that he makes excuses for eveything.

When his team was legitimately getting BEAT by the BETTER TEAM, instead of rallying his team, blaming himself for certain errors or mental lapses, recognizing where his team went wrong, he sat there and blamed the officiating, the calls, the bounces, the ice, the humidity level, the positioning of the stars, etc. Everything EXCEPT admitting that he had been outplayed.

Pav and Hank would never do that. They're too classy.

Pav and hank have devoted themselves to the Red Wings system, and with that they know they're expected to remain calm and composed in the face of adversity, and they do it flawlessly.

When they play a down game, they acknowledge that, first and foremost, they could have played better. MAYBE they'll bring up a tough call, but for the most part, they're responsible and self-aware. They know they could've played better and that it was their own fault (most of the time) that they lost.

Crosby, although his *points* are off the charts, his character does not fit the DRW system and I, for one, would DESPISE seeing him in a Wings jersey, I don't even care how good he is.

Pav and Hank are the faces of the team, I'd keep it that way, hands down.

Do you watch hockey outside of the Red Wings? I would consider Crosby a top 3 captain in the NHL. He has the drive that leads by example on a daily basis. He may be vocal about certain things in the public eye, but that only attests to how passionate he is about the game.

I guarantee that anyone who talks bad about him would certainly love him within a week of having him on your team.