Has Sundin lowered his price and are the Wings a possibility?

[Echolalia 2,961]

If he waits until the trade deadline I would take him in a heartbeat, but even December would be fine. Reduced-price Sundin whose salary is prorated to only include a couple months. I would gladly get rid of Sammuelson or Hudler to help make room. This is probably the best chance any team will ever have post salarycap era to getting a cup, and if you have the potential to add Mats Sundin to that you jump. I don't understand why so many people are so quick to reject the idea. We're gonna have to move people this summer anyway if we expect to keep our core together (not to mention Franzen, Zetterberg, and Hossa for the more delusional fans). Why not get a draft pick for someone and replace them with Sundin?

Edited November 8, 2008 by Echolalia

[thedisappearer 291]

I don't want him for one simple reason: I don't want to be the 2002 Red Wings.

Yes.. I know... we won the Cup. But we weren't the defending champions with a stacked deck. We were that team that used to be good, but then choked in the first round a bunch and overcompensated by signing any player who was lights-out a decade ago and needed a Cup.

We already have a target on our back, we already have a team that has proven it could win and then added Hossa... we just don't need Sundin. It would be an embarrassment of riches.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I don't want him for one simple reason: I don't want to be the 2002 Red Wings.

I know you have an explanation, but....I really can't see how that could possibly be a bad thing in any way at all.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I don't believe there is any chance Sundin signs for anything even remotely close to two million. The Red Wings are right at the cap as it is, so we are talking about sacrificing multiple players to even sign Sundin at the two million dollar level. Sundin is a consistent 70-point player, it doesn't make sense for him to come back and play for the salary of a third liner.

If Sundin does decide to play, my guess is Vancouver and for far more than two million.

[thedisappearer 291]

I know you have an explanation, but....I really can't see how that could possibly be a bad thing in any way at all.

Because we don't fit the whole criteria... just a s***-ton of good players... which we already fit anyway. I see no need to add ANOTHER bulls-eye to our back while we defend. Maybe you've read it's hard somewhere. There's a few people who believe the theory. Somewhere. Maybe on ESPN or something.

[Namingway 146]

I'm still glad we got Hossa instead, that's all I have to say

Edited November 8, 2008 by Namingway

[betterREDthandead 58]

Because we don't fit the whole criteria... just a s***-ton of good players... which we already fit anyway. I see no need to add ANOTHER bulls-eye to our back while we defend. Maybe you've read it's hard somewhere. There's a few people who believe the theory. Somewhere. Maybe on ESPN or something.

We've already got the bullseye. I don't see how Sundin would somehow make it worse. There's nothing wrong with having a s*** ton of good players.

[eva unit zero 271]

The Wings can't really accomodate Sundin, even at a significantly reduced salary, without giving up a player like Cleary or Holmstrom as WELL as a player like Lilja or Samuelsson, and possibly more. If Sundin can be had for $500k, then waive Brett Lebda and sign him up. If it'll take removing a guy who should be playing significant minutes and contributes to the roster like Cleary or Homer? No dice.

[55fan 5,133]

Last year was "win it for Dally" year.

This year is "win it for Hossa" year.

If Sundin wants a "win it for Mats" year, 2009-2010 is open. All he has to do is get with Kenny before the season starts like all the other boys.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Because we don't fit the whole criteria... just a s***-ton of good players... which we already fit anyway. I see no need to add ANOTHER bulls-eye to our back while we defend. Maybe you've read it's hard somewhere. There's a few people who believe the theory. Somewhere. Maybe on ESPN or something.

Yeah, I see your point. A consistent 70-point scorer and proven veteran would definitely make winning the cup more difficult.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

If tomorrow I wake up and the headlines are, "NHL Salary Cap Abolished," then I fully expect to see Sundin in the Winged Wheel by Tuesday. I will ride my unicorn to the Joe and call the game with the savvy crew of Steve Yzerman, Batman, and Abraham Lincoln.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

First off I wouldn't mind having Sundin on the Wings because the guy is just plain good.

But if Sundin were to sign with the Wings, wouldn't this situation really be that different from what people around here were bashing Brian Burke for doing last season with the Ducks?

Sure, Sundin isn't under contract like those guys, but in a sense, the Ducks didn't have the services of Selanne or Niedermayer for an extended period of time and they got a discount on their salaries.

Sundin, jumping in in December for a severely discounted rate doesn't seem that different to me other than the fact he can jump in for whatever team he wants.

Anyway, if Sundin were to sign for 2 million I think the NHLPA would have a s*** fit b/c he'd be screwing up the market for taking way less than what he's worth.

I'm simply making a comparison b/c so many Wings fans here were pissed off at the Ducks and Burke and Niedermayer and Selanne. And most of their reasoning was that it shouldn't be that hard to determine if you want to retire or not. Yet, there's no talk about Sundin doing the exact same thing. Plenty of people hear would just love to have him. I find that ironic.

Edited November 8, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Only if Sundin wants to play for $1.00. Get real!

Kris Draper was so unwanted by Winnipeg that Detroit got him for $1, so you never know.

[2probert4 8]

I buy into if it aint broke dont f*** with it... so far we aren't broke we don't need to add in more high priced players.

how good is he on the defensive side... thats what is broke. If he will switch to D then by all means take on his 2mill salary... its go time!

Sundin is a very good player, and hes no slouch in his own end of the ice....There is no cap room for Sundin. Its not just D that is slouching defensively, its the entire squad....

[edicius 3,269]

I'm simply making a comparison b/c so many Wings fans here were pissed off at the Ducks and Burke and Niedermayer and Selanne. And most of their reasoning was that it shouldn't be that hard to determine if you want to retire or not. Yet, there's no talk about Sundin doing the exact same thing. Plenty of people hear would just love to have him. I find that ironic.

I suppose I'm the exception to the rule here.

He had said last season when he wouldn't waive his NTC that he wanted to be with a team for the long haul and not as a spare part on the way to the Cup. If he signs with a team at this point in the season or later, it's clear that he was full of crap when he said that.

I'm calling it right now - he's waiting to see how the standings pan out before the trade deadline to make his decision. If that's the case, he's REALLY full of crap, then. However, if I'm wrong, I'll own up to it. I remember being pretty close to being on the mark when it came to the sign dates with the whole Needavacation ™/Selanne debacle last year. I have the same feeling about Sundin.

On the other hand, if he WAS serious about that and he's taken this long to decide on a team (when, if genuine, he should be waiting until the 2009-10 season), I get the feeling that he shouldn't be playing hockey in the first place - the hunger and desire isn't there.

[South Dakota wings fan 7]

Reports out of Toronto indicate that Sundin could go for as little as $2-million and be ready by december 1st. So using the Salary Chart on Let's Go Wings website I speculated on what it would take to get Sundin into a Red Wings sweater.

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I'm all for trading Hudler. Whether it brings in Sundin, Leino, or Helm! Let's make it happen.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

I suppose I'm the exception to the rule here.

He had said last season when he wouldn't waive his NTC that he wanted to be with a team for the long haul and not as a spare part on the way to the Cup. If he signs with a team at this point in the season or later, it's clear that he was full of crap when he said that.

I'm calling it right now - he's waiting to see how the standings pan out before the trade deadline to make his decision. If that's the case, he's REALLY full of crap, then. However, if I'm wrong, I'll own up to it. I remember being pretty close to being on the mark when it came to the sign dates with the whole Needavacation ™/Selanne debacle last year. I have the same feeling about Sundin.

On the other hand, if he WAS serious about that and he's taken this long to decide on a team (when, if genuine, he should be waiting until the 2009-10 season), I get the feeling that he shouldn't be playing hockey in the first place - the hunger and desire isn't there.

It's not like he's president or something.... geez... It's how he felt at the time, and what the reporter decided to report... people take crap way to seriously.

Edit: Please note, this isn't a direct knock on you, you are by far not the first one to being that point up. My thoughts are, do you think through every statement you make as though it could forever be brought back to haunt you?

Edited November 8, 2008 by CaliWingsNut

[edicius 3,269]

Edit: Please note, this isn't a direct knock on you, you are by far not the first one to being that point up. My thoughts are, do you think through every statement you make as though it could forever be brought back to haunt you?

Admittedly, no...but then again, my statements aren't usually to the press...just immortalized on a message board.

If he simply came out and said, "Yeah, I know I said that last season...but I want to play and if this is what I need to do to play, while going against what I told the Leafs and the press, so be it," I'd have a little bit more respect for the way he's doing this.

[Grim 5]

the only way Sundin ends up with a Contender is if he signs with the Leafs and he accepts a trade at the deadline. You can bet thats what GMs like Burkie and Sather are talking to Mats about.