Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 I know the Wings haven't been to hot on defence this year, which is usually their strongest asset in my opinion, but does anyone else seem to notice the trend across pretty much the entire league. Out of all the games last night (20th Dec) only 3/12 games had less than 5 goals (Islanders @ Preds; Blue Jackets @ Coyotes; Hawks @ Canucks). I mean San Jose seem to be on fire this season and we managed to shut them out and put 6 past them. I was beginning to get worried about the amount we were conceding but now it seems to be in perspective. I just wondered what everyone else thought? p.s. we still need to improve on D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted December 21, 2008 You cant expect wings to be perfect every night. What matters , is the wins. Were 22-6-4 with D problems , imagine without those D problems... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
finalfilppula 2 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 this has been discussed to death everywhere else on the boards. patience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Make it 22-10, they have actually lost 10games just some in regualtion some in OT.. it's still a loss.. dont get caught up in numbers.. 10 lost games is alot in 32games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Make it 22-10, they have actually lost 10games just some in regualtion some in OT.. it's still a loss.. dont get caught up in numbers.. 10 lost games is alot in 32games. 10 lost games in 32 games is good enough for 3rd fewest losses in the league. San Jose has 7 with OTLs (in 33 games), Boston has 9 (in 32 games). They're both leading their respective conferences. Might want to do a little research before you make a comment like "10 lost games is a lot in 32 games". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) It's amazing, how spoiled we the Wings fans are. The current record, projected over 82 games, would end up being 56-16-10 or 56 W and 26 L, if you prefer. That is a better record than every President Trophy winner has had since at least 2000, except the one year when the Wings had 58 wins. Relax and enjoy the ride. Yes our team D is not performing as it had last year. But I would become concerned only if that continued into February. Before that, there's plenty of time to make corrections. And it's not like it is costing us too many points. EDIT - Heres an ESPN.com article on this topic that I agree with 100%. Edited December 21, 2008 by sibiriak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tweekvp 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Make it 22-10, they have actually lost 10games just some in regualtion some in OT.. it's still a loss.. dont get caught up in numbers.. 10 lost games is alot in 32games. Well lets see, the best team in the NHL has lost 7 games and the worst has lost 25. The median teams have lost about 17 each. You know 10 lost games out of 32 is not bad at all, in fact only two teams in the league can say they have lost fewer. I'll admit the wings are not going to set any records this year and that defense has to improve at some point if they are going to repeat. I will not say even begin to say they are a bad team. I think all the comeback / 1 goal wins can be good thing in the long run for this organization. Oh, and to answer the original posters question the average goals against for the league is 2.93 right now. I'm not sure how that compares to last year. Detroit is currently tied for 20th spot in the league with 3.03. The wings are leading the league with 3.72 goals per game. Edited December 21, 2008 by tweekvp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 The defense will improve guys, give them some time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Make it 22-10, they have actually lost 10games just some in regualtion some in OT.. it's still a loss.. dont get caught up in numbers.. 10 lost games is alot in 32games. What are your expectations of this team, seriously. You never seem content with any of their play. Please, make a list of your standards and expectations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atariboy 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Way too early to panic, but they're absolutely not going to win the Stanley Cup playing defense like this. I'm glad to see they can score at will, but once they hit a fast, defensive team in the playoffs.... forget about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Make it 22-10, they have actually lost 10games just some in regualtion some in OT.. it's still a loss.. dont get caught up in numbers.. 10 lost games is alot in 32games. You are more the Negative Nancy than usual today. Would be hard to win in the playoffs with this type of defense, but that's why the season is 80+ games and the playoffs don't start for a while. They have time to fix it before then. And who knows, the other team they meet in the playoffs might not play the best defense when facing the Wings either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) You are more the Negative Nancy than usual today. Would be hard to win in the playoffs with this type of defense, but that's why the season is 80+ games and the playoffs don't start for a while. They have time to fix it before then. And who knows, the other team they meet in the playoffs might not play the best defense when facing the Wings either. Have him make a list of his standards/expectations and we will go from there since he is all knowing. Obviously Sebastian is the only one who can fill Bowman's shoes. Holland and Ilitch are well aware of this and are hoping to bring him in after the new year. With Sebastian (mindfly) we will be unstoppable. Rumor has it, he trained greats such as Sundin, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, and Ohlund. Not to mention his 5 year stint in Russia. The man is a god. And we shall praise him as such. All Wings fans will cast aside our heathen Christian ways and holidays and follow the true leader to the promise land. Edited December 21, 2008 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I think everyone should demand atleast 2.50 GAA per game, under 25SA per game, and a 90-92Save% from the number 1 goalie from this team... or is it just me? Just looking at the paper/roster and it should be easier than stealing candy from a kiddo, but sure its all about motivation... is it? Or maybe NHL has changed overall and tight games are non-existence in mid regular season... :S Edited December 21, 2008 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 I think everyone should demand atleast 2.50 GAA per game, under 25SA per game, and a 90-92Save% from the number 1 goalie from this team... or is it just me? Just looking at the paper/roster and it should be easier than stealing candy from a kiddo, but sure its all about motivation... is it? Or maybe NHL has changed overall and tight games are non-existence in mid regular season... :S What rules/regulations have changed this year? Please do tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Nothing official but the "make-calls-that-doesn't-exist-to-the-team-that-is-leading-to-even-it-up" sure is creepy... paranoid me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Wings played great last night. The defense just looked bad because every time they screwed up the Kings were able to score. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Wings played great last night. The defense just looked bad because every time they screwed up the Kings were able to score. I hope you're kidding with that crap. Based on that kind of reasoning the defense never plays bad. The idea is not to screw up so much and give up chances around the net like they did last night. The fact that they score on such chances is something the defense should be blamed for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 I hope you're kidding with that crap. Based on that kind of reasoning the defense never plays bad. The idea is not to screw up so much and give up chances around the net like they did last night. The fact that they score on such chances is something the defense should be blamed for. Detroit screwed up a few times but overall they kept the Kings from getting many chances. But the Kings offense did well once they had an opening and I believe it was more of the Kings offense capitalizing well and not the Wings playing terrible. They weren't perfect but they werent' terrible. Remember the Western Conference Finals last year when the Stars had maybe 5 oppurtunities and didn't capitalize? In one game? It's hockey. It happens. Even to the best defensive team in the league. The Defense wasn't perfect last year and you aren't going to expect it this year when teams are gunning for you and going for every oppurtunity they can get to beat you. I know it's hillarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I love close games. These nerve racking pressure cookers are sweeeeet. The Wings have been winning most of them. I think that is wearing on opponents even more than blowouts. Imagine if you are the other team. This year you get to have the puck much more than in years past. The Wings D is giving up uncharacteristic turnovers and you think to yourself...man, we"re up by 2 goals going into the 3rd....only to be owned in the last 10 minutes of the game....and like so many other teams.....fail to get the W. Overtime and shootouts...I say gimme more! Close games are much more entertaining to me. Makes me swear at the TV, my blood pressure goes up and my neighbors know exactly how the game is going even if they don't have it on. I love close games. Moreso if the Wings win, of course. Seems the only people concerned about the Wings so far this season are select LGW posters. The rest of the world worries that the big Red monster is slowly, and at their liesure I might add, waking up. And it's more frightening than last year. Edited December 21, 2008 by HOCKEY MATTERS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 Make it 22-10, they have actually lost 10games just some in regualtion some in OT.. it's still a loss.. dont get caught up in numbers.. 10 lost games is alot in 32games. Huh? What did you flunk math? 22-10 is a winning percentage of .6875 and a .6875 winning percentage is good for 56 games over an 82 game season. 56 games is good for 112 points. And this is even if we don't count the overtime wins like you suggest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 What rules/regulations have changed this year? Please do tell. 1. After a penalty is called the face-off comes into the offensive zone of team on the power play. All of the coaches have agreed that this leads to more time on the power play and thus more scoring. 2. There are no commercial breaks when there is an icing called. This leads also to more potential scoring as the team that iced the puck does not get time to rest. 3. The goalie pads have gotten smaller leading to more potential scoring. 4. When a puck hits the goalpost and goes out of play the face-off stays in the attacking zone. Small changes but they all lead to more scoring chances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 It's amazing, how spoiled we the Wings fans are. The current record, projected over 82 games, would end up being 56-16-10 or 56 W and 26 L, if you prefer. That is a better record than every President Trophy winner has had since at least 2000, except the one year when the Wings had 58 wins. Relax and enjoy the ride. Yes our team D is not performing as it had last year. But I would become concerned only if that continued into February. Before that, there's plenty of time to make corrections. And it's not like it is costing us too many points. EDIT - Heres an ESPN.com article on this topic that I agree with 100%. The Wings won 62 games in 1995-96 and that was before there were shootout and overtime wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted December 21, 2008 1. After a penalty is called the face-off comes into the offensive zone of team on the power play. All of the coaches have agreed that this leads to more time on the power play and thus more scoring. 2. There are no commercial breaks when there is an icing called. This leads also to more potential scoring as the team that iced the puck does not get time to rest. 3. The goalie pads have gotten smaller leading to more potential scoring. 4. When a puck hits the goalpost and goes out of play the face-off stays in the attacking zone. Small changes but they all lead to more scoring chances. That and the fact that offensive talent has vastly improved over the last 10 years or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingedKitten 9 Report post Posted December 22, 2008 Scoring is up this year, so naturally the average GA/G will go up to. That does not excuse the Wings lack of solid defense. The Wings will solidify there defense, then even the biggest SJ homer will fail to call the Sharks a better team! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted December 22, 2008 1. After a penalty is called the face-off comes into the offensive zone of team on the power play. All of the coaches have agreed that this leads to more time on the power play and thus more scoring. 2. There are no commercial breaks when there is an icing called. This leads also to more potential scoring as the team that iced the puck does not get time to rest. 3. The goalie pads have gotten smaller leading to more potential scoring. 4. When a puck hits the goalpost and goes out of play the face-off stays in the attacking zone. Small changes but they all lead to more scoring chances. Bingo... Glad some people around here know logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
