Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 The funny thing about all of this is that the ASG was considered a "farce" perpetrated on us by the evil Commissioner because no Red Wings were voted in as starters. Then when two of the three Wings who actually deserved to go are chosen as reserves and opt out it's again the Commissioner who gets the blame for enforcing a legitimate rule. Does the rule need some work, sure: how does the league account for someone injured during the final game before the break. Right now there is no satisfactory response but I can guarantee Ken Holland will bring it up at the next GM's meeting. This is how the real world works: you execute an innocent person for murder, then you realize the valuable role of DNA in convicting or exonerating a suspect. As Colin Campbell said, it's too bad they got, "caught in this web," but that's the way things go sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 After reading 17 pages...this whole situation is just ******* clown shoes. Bettman can suck my ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 The funny thing about all of this is that the ASG was considered a "farce" perpetrated on us by the evil Commissioner because no Red Wings were voted in as starters. The funny thing is that you say that as though it's the one and only reason the ASG is a farce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 The funny thing about all of this is that the ASG was considered a "farce" perpetrated on us by the evil Commissioner because no Red Wings were voted in as starters. Then when two of the three Wings who actually deserved to go are chosen as reserves and opt out it's again the Commissioner who gets the blame for enforcing a legitimate rule. Huh? Datsuyk missed the last 15 mins of the last game due to his injury. The team subsequently lost that game. If he was simply waiting it out to make it look like a fake injury surely he'd jump back into the game at some point to try and pull a win out. Datsyuk was legitimately hurt. Lidstrom's played more than 10 allstar games for the NHL, if he says he's hurt how about they give him the benefit of the doubt? Regardless- let's ignore the injuries. Why not fly to Montreal and show up injured for the game's press parades? Well why should they? How many times has someone shown up for that bulls*** after opting out of the game before? Not many times that I can remember. Giving someone less than a day to cancel their family plans and rush to your photo op under threat of suspension under a rule that's never been enforced before is what the French call "le dick move". Let's not sit here and pretend that it isn't a ****** bag move to use a previously unenforced rule to spitefully punish people who don't run away from their families and hop on an international flight to be at your side at a moment's notice. If we heard this threat of suspension 72 hours ago when both players announced their intention to opt out of the game due to injuries maybe, maybe I wouldn't call Bettman and Campbell ****** bags. Maybe not- because they'd still be using a previously unenforced rule to punish players for spending their rest and recuperation time doing just that- resting and recuperating. I know it's considered cute now to point out the oddities in the behaviour of the posters on this board. Maybe we should reserve that for situations where you have a valid argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 This is how the real world works: you execute an innocent person for murder, then you realize the valuable role of DNA in convicting or exonerating a suspect. As Colin Campbell said, it's too bad they got, "caught in this web," but that's the way things go sometimes. Executing an innocent person for murder isn't just the way things go sometimes. It's the reason why capital punishment is primitive and laughable in a "just" society. By killing a single innocent person in the pursuit of crude, pointless old testament vengeance you make the entire country who paid for that justice system murderers themselves. That's why the vast majority of the free world doesn't have a death penalty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 This is how the real world works: you execute an innocent person for murder, then you realize the valuable role of DNA in convicting or exonerating a suspect. As Colin Campbell said, it's too bad they got, "caught in this web," but that's the way things go sometimes. Typically when you execute an innocent person for murder it's not because the rules say you have to, it's because you don't know they're innocent until after the fact. In this case it seems that just about everyone realizes this is ridiculous and that they are "innocent", but the league is just going to go ahead with the "execution" anyway, as if it's somehow too late to fix the mistake. They waited this long to announce the problem, I'm sure it's not too late to acknowledge their mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian Geek 2 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Oh, this is pure horses*** from first to last. Bettman at his finest! Little roach... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 sry, but once again LGW forum proved that average IQ is here pretty low. Do you think, players get their huge sums just for playing - no - advertising is actually very big part and there is no better place for players to "earn" their salaries than ASG event. Consider this - both Datsyk and Lidström refuse to show up for fans and you're hurry to protect them, and in other thread same protectors are so angry toward NHL:why Bettman does not try attract fans and popularity. Is there bigger hypocricy than this ? Man, some here are so dumb here that they see Bettman everywhere, but Bettman works for owners and owners pay for this stuff. I'm offensive for obvious reasons. As long as you understand the reasons you're offensive, we can start this on a positive note. The players get their money to go out and play games. They thrill the fans in the stands and on TV, where available. They are payed to play. Lids and Dats can't play right now because they're injured. The ASG is in Montreal. They have enough Habs in the starting lineup to appease the local fans, and enough other players to keep the media happy. Bettman does need to market the game better. He needs to make the game a game where the best players are chosen; not a popularity contest where the Rory-for-Allstar campaign nets an average (charitable here) player more votes than many talented ones. The Red Wings have ample chance to promote the game, and do so. We do it at the awards show, and last year we did it in the SCF. As for the IQ of LGW, I will not argue that the average may be low, as I contribute to this forum frequently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 ...as for the IQ of LGW, I would say who cares! The majority of Wings (or hockey in general) fans are Blue Collar, 40 hour work week, nose to the grindstone type person, not 10 year PhD, High Society Piston fans with manicures... ...16 games to euphoria, that's all the math we need to know! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 I have never been a Bettman "suporter" but I have never really hated the man. Despite losing 1 1/2 seasons during his tenure, despite his ill-advised expansion, despite his efforts to diminish fighting from the game, despite his unabashed and unthankful exploitation of the Red Wings for the sake of the rest of the league, depite his banning of the octopus tradition... but this one makes me really ******* despise this guy. He makes a clear exception for Sidney Crosby, because he is able to make it out of Lemieux's basement for the weekend, but does not consider excusing the reigning three-time Lady Byng winner and the captain, who has definied the word "class" for the last 15 years, made it to every single awards presentation and appeared at ten All Star games and has done everything imaginable to be an exemplarary example of the NHL to the world -- those guys need to be made an example of. f*** you Bettman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Typically when you execute an innocent person for murder it's not because the rules say you have to, it's because you don't know they're innocent until after the fact. In this case it seems that just about everyone realizes this is ridiculous and that they are "innocent", but the league is just going to go ahead with the "execution" anyway, as if it's somehow too late to fix the mistake. They waited this long to announce the problem, I'm sure it's not too late to acknowledge their mistake. From what I have seen, it seems that there is a new rule was installed this year saying you must miss one game before or after the all star game. They both played in the game before miss so therefor miss the next game. All 30 Gms were told so Kenny knew. So under the law they are guilty. Bettman is a lawyer ya know. 1 game,no biggie. Its not a death sentence though calm down buddy. Edited January 24, 2009 by Statts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 From what I have seen, it seems that there is a new rule was installed this year saying you must miss one game before or after the all star game. They both played in the game before miss so therefor miss the next game. All 30 Gms were told so Kenny knew. So under the law they are guilty. Bettman is a lawyer ya know. 1 game,no biggie. Its not a death sentence though calm down buddy. Except that rule also applies to Crosby, who is also not playing because of an injury. So they make this "exception" out of the blue, today, after Crosby and Bettman have a phone conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Did you guys hear Pierre McGuire and Sheldon Surray... damn I like those guys... they couldn't believe how they could do this like... and everyone else was like "if bettman think so.. so be it" especially crybaby Edited January 24, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Just the fact that I'm agreeing with Pierre makes me rethink my stance... ...nope. Bettman's still an ass. Pierre must have been given a script. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Souray, Campbell, Lecavalier and Kovalev have all supported their fellow players. JS Giguere and Sidney Crosby are the only ones to throw them under the bus, so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 i bet the tv ratings will be crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Except that rule also applies to Crosby, who is also not playing because of an injury. So they make this "exception" out of the blue, today, after Crosby and Bettman have a phone conversation. Should of been more clear. You just have to be at all the promotional BS, not play. That's why Crosby high tailed it to Montreal. The AG is the league's ''fashion show.'' Honestly. I'm glad they skipped it. I'll take the one game, and a fresher Lids and Dats down the stretch. EDIT: We are dealing with BETTMAN hear. Pronger can elbow and stomp people and get a slap on the wrist. Avery makes a inappropriate comment to the media and gets the book thrown at him. Edited January 24, 2009 by Statts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Souray, Campbell, Lecavalier and Kovalev have all supported their fellow players. JS Giguere and Sidney Crosby are the only ones to throw them under the bus, so far. Giguere should be on Les Habitants, just so I can hate him more. Pierre McGuire had a rant for 5 minutes about how it's a joke that the NHL is making an example of Lidstrom. They interview the players you mentioned and they all agreed. Babcock should just head home, maybe he'll get suspended for a game too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Should of been more clear. You just have to be at all the promotional BS, not play. That's why Crosby high tailed it to Montreal. The AG is the league's ''fashion show.'' Honestly. I'm glad they skipped it. I'll take the one game, and a fresher Lids and Dats down the stretch. Incorrect. The "just showing up" part was an exception to the rule just created today, as a compromise between Crosby and Bettman, who spent some time on the phone today. The rule was in regards to injured players not playing in the ASG - there were no "exceptions" created -- until today. If you were injured and could not play in the All Star Game, you had to miss either the game immediately preceding or following the ASG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) I love how alot of people think that bettman is "Out to get Detroit" and how he is just singling(sp?!) lids and dats out there is no conspiracy theory going on here. If crosby did the same he would of got a suspension. The reason why they got the suspension is because they dont want to sign autos and say hi to a couple of fans like i said before it is all on them kenny knew about it. and decided not to tell them to go Edited January 24, 2009 by Duck Guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 I love how alot of people think that bettman is "Out to get Detroit" and how he is just singling lids and dats out there is no conspiracy theory going on here. If crosby did the same he would of got a suspension. How many times do I have to say it? Crosby did the exact same thing! Under the rule, if you do not play in the ASG because of an injury you have to sit a game. An exception was created for Crosby today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 I love how alot of people think that bettman is "Out to get Detroit" and how he is just singling lids and dats out there is no conspiracy theory going on here. If crosby did the same he would of got a suspension. I have to disagree with that. If Bettman were anti-Detroit, he would have done something about Lids and Pav on Tuesday, when they announced they would not be going. Sidney decided that he wouldn't go, and Bettman pulled out the heretofore insignificant clause of an agreement to make him attend. If Sid has to go, so does everyone else, so the Wings players had to be singled out as well. Until Sidney Crosby mulled not attending, there was no discussion. Bettman is not being anti-Wings. He was actually ignoring the Wings until Crosby came along and had to be dealt with. Then he had no choice, by his own making, to follow through or it would look like he was focused only on Crosby. The rest, as they say, is history, and has made my day quite eventful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 Incorrect. The "just showing up" part was an exception to the rule just created today, as a compromise between Crosby and Bettman, who spent some time on the phone today. The rule was in regards to injured players not playing in the ASG - there were no "exceptions" created -- until today. If you were injured and could not play in the All Star Game, you had to miss either the game immediately preceding or following the ASG. Haven't heard that. you got a link that says that their were no exceptions until today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 I love how alot of people think that bettman is "Out to get Detroit" and how he is just singling lids and dats out there is no conspiracy theory going on here. If crosby did the same he would of got a suspension. Incorrect. The "just showing up" part was an exception to the rule just created today, as a compromise between Crosby and Bettman, who spent some time on the phone today. The rule was in regards to injured players not playing in the ASG - there were no "exceptions" created -- until today. If you were injured and could not play in the All Star Game, you had to miss either the game immediately preceding or following the ASG. The rule- straight out of the book provides no exception for Crosby. Bettman created an exception for Crosby. Do you think he personally contacted Datsyuk or Lidstrom? God ******* damn it I'm pissed off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted January 24, 2009 How many times do I have to say it? Crosby did the exact same thing! Under the rule, if you do not play in the ASG because of an injury you have to sit a game. An exception was created for Crosby today. Ehhh either way they could of avoided the suspension by hoping on the next plane to Montreal. And they did not so not much more to debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
