gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 7 years MAX hopefully I think 5 would be great to be honest for both parties. Hell, if he takes a reasonable figure now ($7 millionish) and the cap presents a better situation in 5 years and he's not a mess, he'll probably get comparable or more money long run. Even if the injuries weren't present and he played 82 games a year, the bottom line is that I'm just not a fan of these long term deals. Is there a precedent for these really working out that well thus far? It just seems like every long deal seems to blow up in the teams faces. What if it even came down to a management issue? Hopefully and most likely that's a long-shot chance with this team, but none the less, I just think there's a lot of good reasons in general for all parties involved to not get too crazy with the years on a deal. I'm truly surprised that there's not an official rule on the matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Great price!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 97.1 is reporting $7 mill 10 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 97.1 is reporting $7 mill 10 years. Didn't a Swedish paper report $70 million? Sounds right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokike 1 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I think 5 would be great to be honest for both parties. Hell, if he takes a reasonable figure now ($7 millionish) and the cap presents a better situation in 5 years and he's not a mess, he'll probably get comparable or more money long run. Even if the injuries weren't present and he played 82 games a year, the bottom line is that I'm just not a fan of these long term deals. Is there a precedent for these really working out that well thus far? It just seems like every long deal seems to blow up in the teams faces. What if it even came down to a management issue? Hopefully and most likely that's a long-shot chance with this team, but none the less, I just think there's a lot of good reasons in general for all parties involved to not get too crazy with the years on a deal. I'm truly surprised that there's not an official rule on the matter. take those long terms as insurance money - when player retires earlier than contract end he still gets his money but it does not count vs cap. And Zetterberg's playing style affords him to play 'til 40ies anyway. Hudler and Franzen next! ( For Hossa is no room but it was already clear, but we should be thankful that Hossa wanted to be for one year "cheap rental") Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Why is his back a concern? I'm not understanding it. If his back does become a long-term issue, he goes on LTIR and his salary doesn't count toward the cap. If he retires before its conclusion it doesn't count against the cap then either. Even if it's a "replacement" type of issue where you're forced bring another player in, fitting someone in under that speculated $7-million figure isn't going to be a problem. The important thing is that the Red Wings just locked down one of the cornerstones of the franchise, a perennial Selke contender and Conn Smythe winner who is only going to get BETTER... and likely at around $7M/season, around $1.5-2 million less than what he could've gotten this summer. Am I missing something here? Even with LTIR, your options are limited as you can't exactly predict how things will go. And if the cap goes down and continues to go down for awhile with the economy in the hole, unless there's a league-wide salary rollback like in the original agreement a few years back, $7 million could be a lot to pay if there's LTIR hassles. There's a lot of "what if?" questions fueling this for certain and it's all conjecture as we don't even know the deal yet, but you just gotta wonder. I think the jury's still out on "only going to get better." I'm no expert, but I've been saying from day 1 that Datsyuk's the better player and the guy that makes more things happen than people notice. He's also been healthier and consistently has been our points leader by years end. I think this year he's proving that all the more and I'm not convinced that he won't challenge for the scoring title by years end. Z was supposed to do that this year but it's been Pavel consistently making it happen no matter who he plays with. Now Zetterberg IS great, but the other tricky thing is that you've got the Hossa angle. He's got all the upsides of Zetterberg if you ask me and I think he has even more potential offensively. He also doesn't have the back thing to worry about at all. It just raises more questions in this era. It's a shame that there can't be more unbridled excitement, but I think the somewhat-muted celebration is reasonable. And like I said before, I generally don't like long-term deals. Hopefully it's on the short end. Z or not, league-wide, there hasn't been a great track record for long deals. We'll know for sure tomorrow though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 take those long terms as insurance money - when player retires earlier than contract end he still gets his money but it does not count vs cap. And Zetterberg's playing style affords him to play 'til 40ies anyway. Hudler and Franzen next! ( For Hossa is no room but it was already clear, but we should be thankful that Hossa wanted to be for one year "cheap rental") I still say you do anything you can to keep Hossa. Hudler might become a really solid scorer. Franzen is proving to be one and will likely better. Hossa already is and he's far better on D than both. I'm really not happy with Franzen's defensive performance in fact. I'd hate to see Hudler and Franzen go, but I think any time you have a chance of keeping someone like Hossa, you've gotta find a way to make it happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Why is his back a concern? I'm not understanding it. If his back does become a long-term issue, he goes on LTIR and his salary doesn't count toward the cap. If he retires before its conclusion it doesn't count against the cap then either. Even if it's a "replacement" type of issue where you're forced bring another player in, fitting someone in under that speculated $7-million figure isn't going to be a problem. The important thing is that the Red Wings just locked down one of the cornerstones of the franchise, a perennial Selke contender and Conn Smythe winner who is only going to get BETTER... and likely at around $7M/season, around $1.5-2 million less than what he could've gotten this summer. Am I missing something here? Exactly, for $7mil/season for the rest of his career, everyone would be insane not to take it. Does his back make me nervous? Of course. But I don't see if ever costing him a season and he's proven to be clutch when it matters. Tonite I was worried from second one because of the way Columbus was throwing around the body and the fact the Wings were forced to double-shift Hank, another reason to hate the suspensions of Nick and Pav... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I think 7 years at $7 million per would be the best deal for both the Wings and Zetterberg. It would also meet my approval, which I know is very important to the Red Wings organization. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I still say you do anything you can to keep Hossa. Hudler might become a really solid scorer. Franzen is proving to be one and will likely better. Hossa already is and he's far better on D than both. I'm really not happy with Franzen's defensive performance in fact. I'd hate to see Hudler and Franzen go, but I think any time you have a chance of keeping someone like Hossa, you've gotta find a way to make it happen. The issue isn't if Hossa is better than one or the other of Franzen and Hudler, its if we can maintain our depth for the same price, I think that would be the smart deal. Unfortunately, as much as I like Filppula, his contract is looking really rough right now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokike 1 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 I still say you do anything you can to keep Hossa. Hudler might become a really solid scorer. Franzen is proving to be one and will likely better. Hossa already is and he's far better on D than both. I'm really not happy with Franzen's defensive performance in fact. I'd hate to see Hudler and Franzen go, but I think any time you have a chance of keeping someone like Hossa, you've gotta find a way to make it happen. Hossa and his agent ain't stupid - he turned down before the season 90mil $ offer from Vancouver ( IIRC) just to win cup with red wings. Potential cup in the future would mean even more lucrative offer and even if Hossa does not win cup this year - somebody will offer 90mil$-like deal anyway( and hossa is already playing better than he did it in pittsburgh) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuck in socal 56 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Glad to see Z as a wing in the future. I still think we haven't seen the best of him. Hopefully, his back heals up.. Maybe rub all the cash he is getting on his back. It could be the cure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Priority #1 is taken care of (supposedly) and I'm glad. How about we save the Hossa vs. Franzen vs. Hudler vs. Sammy, for when we know how much Hank has singed for, and what the cap will be next year. Until then everything is ifs and buts. Also its been all been debated to death already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 If it's 10 years then I wouldn't be surprised if it was front-loaded heavily and then tapers off significantly as he gets into years 7-10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaynardJKeenan 1 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Even with LTIR, your options are limited as you can't exactly predict how things will go. And if the cap goes down and continues to go down for awhile with the economy in the hole, unless there's a league-wide salary rollback like in the original agreement a few years back, $7 million could be a lot to pay if there's LTIR hassles. There's a lot of "what if?" questions fueling this for certain and it's all conjecture as we don't even know the deal yet, but you just gotta wonder. I think the jury's still out on "only going to get better." I'm no expert, but I've been saying from day 1 that Datsyuk's the better player and the guy that makes more things happen than people notice. He's also been healthier and consistently has been our points leader by years end. I think this year he's proving that all the more and I'm not convinced that he won't challenge for the scoring title by years end. Z was supposed to do that this year but it's been Pavel consistently making it happen no matter who he plays with. Now Zetterberg IS great, but the other tricky thing is that you've got the Hossa angle. He's got all the upsides of Zetterberg if you ask me and I think he has even more potential offensively. He also doesn't have the back thing to worry about at all. It just raises more questions in this era. It's a shame that there can't be more unbridled excitement, but I think the somewhat-muted celebration is reasonable. And like I said before, I generally don't like long-term deals. Hopefully it's on the short end. Z or not, league-wide, there hasn't been a great track record for long deals. We'll know for sure tomorrow though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFwinger 21 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Great news!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamaica Jon 1 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Ansar Khan says 12 years $72 mill http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...e_henrik_z.html It will be 12-year deal worth slighty more than $72 million, making it the longest and most lucrative contract (in total value) in franchise history. The Wings were able to sign him for a salary-cap figure of slightly more than $6 million per season by adding two years at the end of the deal worth just $1 million per season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Huge Deal, but I like it! http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...e_henrik_z.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A.T.Hun 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Only on this forum would people be freaking out about this. Good Lord. Let this thread serve as a reminder to take your prescription medication. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) Holy s*** 6 mil cap hit?! 12 years?! Wow! I guess I'll just have to suppress my deep emotional attachment to Hossa and be happy. Edited January 28, 2009 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Wow. Just wow. Ken Holland really is a magician. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) :banana: :colorbounce: EDIT: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: Edited January 28, 2009 by Statts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Ansar Khan says 12 years $72 mill http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...e_henrik_z.html I was just about to post this. A little more than 6 million a season but likely front loaded since the last two only pay him 1 million. I wonder how much, but nevertheless, Wings Fans are very, very lucky to have him at that rate. Was the whining about the cap hit all worth it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLWINGSFAN4013 5 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 great news...good night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted January 28, 2009 Wow. Just wow. Ken Holland really is a magician. Give credit to Z as well. It really is a testament to how much he loves being a Red Wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
