2/2 GDT: Blues 3 at Red Wings 4, (SO)

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

You are clueless bro. Keep telling yourself that these games don't matter. In regards to your "slumps" reference I don't recall mentioning that in my post so I am confused as too why you would include it in your reply. However if you are referencing this being a "slump" for Osgood then you are just a flat out idiot. He has been last (or within 3 notches away) in GAA and Save % the entire year, from the first game of the season on.

Oh darn an internet person thinks I'm clueless and a "flat-out idiot". LOL

While you may think the panicking is funny, others could argue that the apologists around here are equally if not more "funny". I'll tell you this much, seeing as though we are number 1 in Goals allowed this year is enough to make one at least talk about problems.

We? What is your position on the team?

And you need to check your numbers dips***.

Am I saying that this is the end of the world? Nope. Do I think the Wings are having problems that can be fixed before the playoffs? Yup.

But are you acting like its the end of the World? Yep.

[Statts 4]

legace looks like a broken man sitting on the bench

[Electrophile 3,554]

The Wings should get rid of Ozzie just to eliminate him as a topic of conversation. Idk if even that would work.

Okay, say the Wings do that. Ozzie is no more (he was taken out back and shot at dawn). Who's our starting goalie now? Conklin? If he's the starter, who is our back-up? If something happens to Conklin.....would the back-up be capable of [by then] shouldering the team through the playoffs?

[Jericho613 74]

The Wings that "slumped" last year had better goaltending, better PKing, better defense, a ton of injuries, and more points in the bank. This team has serious problems that have been present for 50 games, and still haven't been rectified. They're nowhere near similar scenarios.

I still think that this adversity is going to help us, people just panic cuz they are so pampered with dominant team, and when they don't win every night people start bitching.

[RedArmy 4]

legace looks like a broken man sitting on the bench

hossa he break him...

[gcom007 1,465]

Bro I played hockey for 17 years and I am telling you that you are an idiot - and your opinion isn't "noted" nor should it be regardless of whether or not the person played hockey.

The goal was a garbage goal - there is NO argument against it. Now it wouldn't be the biggest deal in the world if it wasn't for the fact Osgood is have a bad year to say the least.

Fact:

Tonight Osgood's GAA is .778

Fact:

Osgood's GAA on the season is LAST in the league at 3.29, the league average (of all goaltenders, not just starters) is 2.73.

Fact:

Osgood's Save % is .880, while the league average (of all goaltenders, not just starters) is .908

Now I am not one who thinks this is the end of the world, however you would be beyond ignorant to go along and claim that this is not something to be concerned with. Basically what I am trying to say is that there are a lot of reasons people are jumping on Osggod for that first goal - mainly b/c garbage like that happens more often then not.

When the defense isplaying as s***ty as ours has this year, it minimizes the concern. Well, maybe it doesn't minimize the concern, but it spreads the focus. I don't think anyone could suggest that Osgood's playing great, but he's looking worse than he should because the D's playing bad too. I'm betting that injury awhile back wasn't helping things before being out and since then, he really hasn't been given much of a chance to get his confidence back and see a steady game.

Conklin's stats wouldn't be as hot without the shutouts and 3 were against junk teams and 2 were in games (SJS and Winter Classic) where the whole team came out and played like champs. I'm not saying Conklin hasn't been better. He has. But he's also had his fair share of goals scored against him thanks to our D issues. If the D issues continue, Conklins stats will finish out closer to Osgoods unless he takes more of the bottom of the barrel games.

Again, the thing that's far more striking to me if you watch the games and pay attention to the big picture is that neither goalie has looked great with our shaky D this year. Conklin's looked better than Osgood, but really, has that been great? I don't think so.

Conklins GA...

5 games with 0 GA (EDM, CHI, CBJ, SJ, LAK)

4 games with 1 GA (one game in relief...)

3 games with 2 GA

6 games with 3 GA

5 games with 4 GA

2 games with 5 GA

Is that really stellar?

I guess what I'm saying, if Osgood's really as finished as many suggest he is, is Conklin looking like a really great option? I don't think so.

Could it be there's something bigger at play? Like crap D?

Absolutely.

[russianswede919293 95]

A billion years ago when Lebda first came up he had a goal and an assist in his first two games, then was prompty buried in the minors for the rest of the season.

I do remember. I just am absolutely impressed with Leino. His skating and defense could use some work but playing with Hossa and Pavel there is some room to grow with them taking his slack.

Also Ozzie is looking much stronger this period.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Okay, say the Wings do that. Ozzie is no more (he was taken out back and shot at dawn). Who's our starting goalie now? Conklin? If he's the starter, who is our back-up? If something happens to Conklin.....would the back-up be capable of [by then] shouldering the team through the playoffs?

Just like in football, the most popular guy on the team is the backup goalie.

Nevermind that conks has been a career backup, he's going to be the PERFECT guy to save the Wings' season LOL

[Guest mindfly]

Hossa went to the dressing room oh noes

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

Whats everyone's feeling on Albdakader? I can't get a good feel if I am impressed or not.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Oh darn an internet person thinks I'm clueless and a "flat-out idiot". LOL

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

valid points that everyone will ignore

shhhhhh...don't fight panic with Logic. revel in the hysteria....

[Wingsallwin 0]

Okay, say the Wings do that. Ozzie is no more (he was taken out back and shot at dawn). Who's our starting goalie now? Conklin? If he's the starter, who is our back-up? If something happens to Conklin.....would the back-up be capable of [by then] shouldering the team through the playoffs?

Bring up Larsson and send Osgood to the GR to make him train himself from the laziness. In my opinion, Larsson will be at least better than the level of Osgood right now.

[russianswede919293 95]

Hossa went to the dressing room oh noes

To polish his shine...at least I hope...

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

Hossa went to the dressing room oh noes

OMG.. please be equipment issues. please be equiptment issues.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Whats everyone's feeling on Albdakader? I can't get a good feel if I am impressed or not.

I think the kid hustles and isn't afraid of being physical or grinding, but he needs more ice time to get a full read.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Okay, say the Wings do that. Ozzie is no more (he was taken out back and shot at dawn). Who's our starting goalie now? Conklin? If he's the starter, who is our back-up? If something happens to Conklin.....would the back-up be capable of [by then] shouldering the team through the playoffs?

Dude, get off Ozzie's nuts. Mike was just being facetious.

[ben_usmc 253]

1. Because we clearly didn't get past the first round last year.

2. And despite that, we're only 2nd or 3rd in the West.

3. If 3 is true, 2 is false.

4. Hey, you finally got one right.

1. because last year means this year. Anahiem obviously won the year before us therefore the following season they did great

2. Talent has been winning the games

3. once again talent not desire; when we play with desire we can win. Well that and a 4th line that gives a s***

4. you're a fool

Since this all started from Ozzy let me ask you this, does he deserve to be in the hall? Because if it's the d in front of him then he was nothing but a product of the team. Or is he just playing bad this season? It can't be both ways.

Edited February 3, 2009 by ben_usmc

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Bring up Larsson and send Osgood to the GR to make him train himself from the laziness. In my opinion, Larsson will be at least better than the level of Osgood right now.

[russianswede919293 95]

Whats everyone's feeling on Albdakader? I can't get a good feel if I am impressed or not.

He plays hard, grinds into hard places, hits well, skates pretty well...He could be a more talented Dallas Drake.

[RedArmy 4]

When the defense isplaying as s***ty as ours has this year, it minimizes the concern. Well, maybe it doesn't minimize the concern, but it spreads the focus. I don't think anyone could suggest that Osgood's playing great, but he's looking worse than he should because the D's playing bad too. I'm betting that injury awhile back wasn't helping things before being out and since then, he really hasn't been given much of a chance to get his confidence back and see a steady game.

Conklin's stats wouldn't be as hot without the shutouts and 3 were against junk teams and 2 were in games (SJS and Winter Classic) where the whole team came out and played like champs. I'm not saying Conklin hasn't been better. He has. But he's also had his fair share of goals scored against him thanks to our D issues. If the D issues continue, Conklins stats will finish out closer to Osgoods unless he takes more of the bottom of the barrel games.

Again, the thing that's far more striking to me if you watch the games and pay attention to the big picture is that neither goalie has looked great with our shaky D this year. Conklin's looked better than Osgood, but really, has that been great? I don't think so.

Conklins GA...

5 games with 0 GA (EDM, CHI, CBJ, SJ, LAK)

4 games with 1 GA (one game in relief...)

3 games with 2 GA

6 games with 3 GA

5 games with 4 GA

2 games with 5 GA

Is that really stellar?

I guess what I'm saying, if Osgood's really as finished as many suggest he is, is Conklin looking like a really great option? I don't think so.

Could it be there's something bigger at play? Like crap D?

Absolutely.

still Conklin looking better than Ozzie lol, can't argue that point. Basically Ozzie has the worst figures in a league, while Conklin has 5 shot outs with 1 against the best team in the league, yet u still say Conklin isn't much better?

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

Not a good penalty to take at anytime in a game... but considering the wings are on a five game losing streak and their penalty kill is bad, it is an awful time to that a too many men on the ice penalty.

Edited February 3, 2009 by Wings_Rule_1010

[Nightfall 871]

When the defense isplaying as s***ty as ours has this year, it minimizes the concern. Well, maybe it doesn't minimize the concern, but it spreads the focus. I don't think anyone could suggest that Osgood's playing great, but he's looking worse than he should because the D's playing bad too. I'm betting that injury awhile back wasn't helping things before being out and since then, he really hasn't been given much of a chance to get his confidence back and see a steady game.

Conklin's stats wouldn't be as hot without the shutouts and 3 were against junk teams and 2 were in games (SJS and Winter Classic) where the whole team came out and played like champs. I'm not saying Conklin hasn't been better. He has. But he's also had his fair share of goals scored against him thanks to our D issues. If the D issues continue, Conklins stats will finish out closer to Osgoods unless he takes more of the bottom of the barrel games.

Again, the thing that's far more striking to me if you watch the games and pay attention to the big picture is that neither goalie has looked great with our shaky D this year. Conklin's looked better than Osgood, but really, has that been great? I don't think so.

Conklins GA...

5 games with 0 GA (EDM, CHI, CBJ, SJ, LAK)

4 games with 1 GA (one game in relief...)

3 games with 2 GA

6 games with 3 GA

5 games with 4 GA

2 games with 5 GA

Is that really stellar?

I guess what I'm saying, if Osgood's really as finished as many suggest he is, is Conklin looking like a really great option? I don't think so.

Could it be there's something bigger at play? Like crap D?

Absolutely.

I agree 100%

I think that the crappy defense has more to blame for the Wings struggles than crap goaltending. Not to say that Osgood hasn't let in soft goals here and there, but unlike many of the people here, I can't totally blame the goalie and say it was all his fault. Its a team effort thats for sure.

[Nightfall 871]

still Conklin looking better than Ozzie lol, can't argue that point. Basically Ozzie has the worst figures in a league, while Conklin has 5 shot outs with 1 against the best team in the league, yet u still say Conklin isn't much better?

I would start Conklin over Osgood right now. No contest.

Still, at the midpoint of the season, you have to give Osgood his opportunities.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Atta boy Lilja! Take that Backes you scumbag!