Howard Recalled; Osgood told to "re-focus"

[Yzerman191 37]

If Osgood can't regain his prior form I actually wouldn't mind the Red Wings going for another goalie in the off-season. That's our achilles heel; we've got the offense, we've got the defense, but our goaltender can't compete if the guy across the rink gets hot (one of my biggest fears in the playoffs). However, without moving a player, we're going to have a hard enough time resigning Hudler, Franzen/Hossa (not including both), Leino, and Helm (by my count, that's at least 8M any way you look at it).

There are some pretty interesting names out there though: Fernandez, Thomas, Khabibulan, Roloson, Anderson, and Backstrom are all UFAs.

[rick zombo 3,739]

I've waited this long to say it.

I really like Howard.

[Doggy 130]

Boston will have approximately $13,612,000m to sign Phil Kessel, P.J. Axelsson, David Krejci, two depth defensemen, and two goaltenders (hopefully including Thomas) and we'll say $1.1m of that number is committed to signing two league-minimum defensemen.

The current combined salary for the four players I named there is $6,933,333. All four have had very good seasons, and will get raises. This would leave approximately $5.5m to take care of the raises for the four players. Assume each player gets an equal portion of the $5.5m; that would put Thomas at $2.375m for his cap hit. Do you think a Vezina contender, perhaps winner, stays around for that deal if another team offers him a contract worth $6m or more per year for a few years?

It's not rocket science. You don't re-sign Axelsson, Krejci and Kessel are RFA's and should be had for $3m-$4m each. If they sign for $4m absolute max, sign a couple of depth Dmen for just over $1m then they have about $4.5 to spend on Thomas. I can't see Marco Sturm staying on the roster. Worst case scenario they have to buyout his contract which frees a further $2.2m. This is all based on a static cap. We'll see.

Unless there are problems, Thomas will stay. You can never concede, can you?

[Yzerman191 37]

The only way Thomas doesn't return to Boston is if he gets a truly ridiculous offer (which isn't unheard of) that they simply cannot afford to match. He really has no reason to leave though; he's on a good team, he's going to make big bucks either way, and he's got a great defensive system in front of him to make his job a little easier.

[TheOwl 77]

How is Holland going to sign Hossa, and Franzen, or even one, fill half a dozen more roster spots including a goalie, and probably a back up goalie. If Osgood doesn't turn it around, he won't be here next season, and neither will Hossa most likely. So much of this teams immediate future is riding on Osgood, it's sickening. If he turns it around, great. If he doesn't, no goalie at all for next season, no cap room, and players will think twice about taking a "discount". The smart thing to do would be to trade a roster player for a goaltender. You're going to lose that player anyways next season, might as well get something for it, and salvage the chance to win a cup this season.

[The Secret 304]

Mechanics: YOU said his mechanics were an issue. I asked for the basis of that and you said he sucks. I said that's not proof, goaltending is not JUST mechanics and the coaches hadn't stated it was either so that's not proof. Now you keep coming back with that I was "adamant" his mechanics were fine. Not only was I not adament, I never said they were fine. I just kept pointing out you'd made no case and were supported by no one.

D is subpar: I have never stated this. You repeat it again as fact when not only did I not say that's the issue with Ozzie sucking I NEVER thought it.

Bad bounces: I'm ANNOYED when Ozzie says this. I wish he'd shut up about it.

Playing in more games: You said he needed to be pulled for practice to fix the mechanics issue you couldn't support. I never said PLAY HIM, I said it made SENSE to play him if the coaches didn't see a mechanics issue. My view is and always was if sitting's the answer they will do that. In fact I pointed out they HAVE done that and I AGREED with it.

Go back and show any quote in this lengthy discussion where "I" stated he DOES NOT HAVE a mechanics issue or we NEED TO play him, it's the D's fault, he's getting bad bounces. I only said you had supported nothing. So prove me wrong with quotes as to what you say above. You can't because that's not what I said. Support your arguments by supporting them, not by just saying PROVE ME WRONG!!!!! You just make stuff up, like that I'd blamed the D which I not only didn't but don't think. You also made up the bad bounces, which I not only didn't say but Ozzie annoys the snot out of me when he says it. This is the lame way you argue. You're not even fun to spar with.

I would gladly provide you with your quotes to back up my arguements but the Osgood..? thread was removed by the mods so I cannot. It's water under the bridge.... until next time.

[maltbymaniac 13]

dont worry guys,i had a dream last night.all will be well

[Casey 145]

dont worry guys,i had a dream last night.all will be well

Well? Details!

[boomer 0]

How is Holland going to sign Hossa, and Franzen, or even one, fill half a dozen more roster spots including a goalie, and probably a back up goalie. If Osgood doesn't turn it around, he won't be here next season, and neither will Hossa most likely. So much of this teams immediate future is riding on Osgood, it's sickening. If he turns it around, great. If he doesn't, no goalie at all for next season, no cap room, and players will think twice about taking a "discount". The smart thing to do would be to trade a roster player for a goaltender. You're going to lose that player anyways next season, might as well get something for it, and salvage the chance to win a cup this season.

Please don't depress me your making to much sense, I could definitely see this scenario if Holland keeps locking in all the big names. Which I believe he shouldn't. Ufa as I see it is a buyers market in the offseason, there's a lot of franchises hurting in the league. That aside I throw up my hands in the air regarding the goaltending issue it should have been addressd quite somtime ago; that it remains a nagging doubt at this point is is due to Holland list of priorities -- I'll repeat it again goaltending on the cheap in Detroit; oodles of money for putting the puck in the net not much for keeping it out. Now as far as your suggestion of trading a roster player for a goalie, I would be interested in hearing some names that you think could be moved in a deal? Let tell you from my perspective their are only a small few that are untouchable, I believe you have to wheel and deal no matter who if you have areas of vulnerability in your game and goaltending is our weakest link.

[Spinner 6]

I don't understand all the hype about Howard. To me he seems an average goalie with an average record 16-13-4. How is this a major improvement over what we already have? Except that he would probably come cheaper.

[soonboomer 31]

You're welcome. If certain threads tend to bring on this amount of distress for you, I would suggest you skip them. Failing that, don't give all your 'tude to people who are doing the same thing you are...that is posting here to discuss opinions, facts, and musings. You seem to have some real issues with the whining and complaining done here. Hmm...pretty sure I did neither of those things, but again, if that's a problem for you, move along and shut the f*** up because I don't need you to tell me what to do or how to think. I posted an opinion, which you took some kind of offense to. I really don't give a rat's ass. What gets to me is that you feel it's your personal duty to, instead of state a differing opinion, get s***ty with others you don't agree with. Put on your big girl panties, read, discuss, do whatever you want to do. As long as you don't be a dickhead to people just for the sake of being a dickhead.

Distress????....Don't overestimate your importance, you mental midget. Ok, so your opinion is that if we don't get better goaltending, we're done in the first round. Have you any more original thoughts to share with us? As far as shutting up and moving on, I think I'll do neither. Oh yea, in regard to the big girl panties, I'd guess its probably safe to say that if one of us squats to take a piss, its probably you. Now, you're dismissed.

[Kevvie 0]

Distress????....Don't overestimate your importance, you mental midget. Ok, so your opinion is that if we don't get better goaltending, we're done in the first round. Have you any more original thoughts to share with us? As far as shutting up and moving on, I think I'll do neither. Oh yea, in regard to the big girl panties, I'd guess its probably safe to say that if one of us squats to take a piss, its probably you. Now, you're dismissed.

Big words. I hope you thanked your mom for the help. And the advice about squatting. Learn to read, dips***. I didn't say I was causing anything...the reference was to threads, not me. It's nice to see you got my point finally. Congratulations on that. Including the one on your head, that's now two points for you. I never said it was original, but, granted I didn't give credit to the person who would have had that thought originally. If you know who is, I don't really care. Was the suggestion that you shut the f*** up and move on and original thought? I hope so. The opinion was mine, I posted it, and didn't ask you to critique it. Agree, disagree or be indifferent, it's all the same to me. You are obviously overcompensating for something with pushing your thoughts on others. I would suggest surgery...or tighter women. Dismissed? I'm thinking you have height issues too.

I'm having a hard time figuring out why you took such a s***ty stance right from the start. I've been posting here for a bit, and that's the first time someone has taken issue to this degree something that I have written. Seriously, if you disagree, say so. There's no need to throw around your attitude for no reason. If you have a valid argument or thought, go ahead and post it. People doing s*** like you did will eventually cause us normally calm people to leave. You might like that, and I honestly couldn't care less, but think about what this forum is going to be like when it's just a bunch of ass-munchers going off on each other.

Edit: spelling

Edited February 24, 2009 by Kevvie

[Outsider 42]

People doing s*** like you did will eventually cause us normally calm people to leave. You might like that, and I honestly couldn't care less, but think about what this forum is going to be like when it's just a bunch of ass-munchers going off on each other.

Wow....

And yet another individual sees it......

[soonboomer 31]

Big words. I hope you thanked your mom for the help. And the advice about squatting. Learn to read, dips***. I didn't say I was causing anything...the reference was to threads, not me. It's nice to see you got my point finally. Congratulations on that. Including the one on your head, that's now two points for you. I never said it was original, but, granted I didn't give credit to the person who would have had that thought originally. If you know who is, I don't really care. Was the suggestion that you shut the f*** up and move on and original thought? I hope so. The opinion was mine, I posted it, and didn't ask you to critique it. Agree, disagree or be indifferent, it's all the same to me. You are obviously overcompensating for something with pushing your thoughts on others. I would suggest surgery...or tighter women. Dismissed? I'm thinking you have height issues too.

I'm having a hard time figuring out why you took such a s***ty stance right from the start. I've been posting here for a bit, and that's the first time someone has taken issue to this degree something that I have written. Seriously, if you disagree, say so. There's no need to throw around your attitude for no reason. If you have a valid argument or thought, go ahead and post it. People doing s*** like you did will eventually cause us normally calm people to leave. You might like that, and I honestly couldn't care less, but think about what this forum is going to be like when it's just a bunch of ass-munchers going off on each other.

I'm sorry I made you cry. When people resort to name calling and personal attacks, its usually a sign that they are mentally bankrupt. Feel free to express all the insipid opinions you have. I'll comment on them no more.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Well, now Howard is sent down to GR again because of bad performance last night. However, we have to know this. If we do not resign Conklin for next year, then our goaltending rotation will be Howard and Osgood. If we consider Osgood cannot bounce back to his game since this season, what do we have to seriously?

Then, we have to resign good goalie or making Howard the starting goalie. I do not particularly see Howard played that bad last night. He made some good saves from many turnovers and breakaways.

By our cap situation, we even cannot resign an expensive goalie. That's why I think we do not have to sign both Franzen and Hossa.

No he wasn't. He was scheduled to go back regarless of the outcome.

[Outsider 42]

When people resort to name calling and personal attacks, its usually a sign that they are mentally bankrupt. Feel free to express all the insipid opinions you have. I'll comment on them no more.

With all due respect:

You can take the calmest, most mellow Yeller Dawg ever to grace God's earth.

Keep poking, prodding, and jabbing that kind creature over, and over, and over again.

Sooner or later, you're gonna get snapped at. Period. And THEN you're gonna get all righteously indignant because his teeth are sharp?

Doesn't mean the dawg's ill mannered, nor poorly trained. What it usually means is that he finally got tired of being jabbered at and pestered.

The Dawg's reaction is as much a reflection on the jabberer as it is on himself. Perhaps more so.

It's been happening A LOT around here lately. Normally "calm", "rational", "reasonable" posters are getting tired of geting jabbered at and pestered.

And they're starting to get snappish.

Kevvie is 100% right. I mentioned it a week or so ago.

Very soon, this place is going to be abandoned by the "calm", "rational", "reasonable" types, and left to the jabberers and pests.

Damned shame, too.....

[boomer 0]

Are you seriously suggesting we trade Holmstrom now? Come on, you don't trade important parts of your team just because they're getting older and their value is soon to be dropping. Who's next, Lidstrom?

Don't be ridiculous Lindstrom is an untouchable. Then if you think Homer is too then Franzen should be used to get a tough defensman in return. We don't need both of them, and I'm not keen on signing Franzen to a longterm deal no way at all.

[Outsider 42]

Don't be ridiculous Lindstrom is an untouchable. Then if you think Homer is too then Franzen should be used to get a tough defensman in return. We don't need both of them, and I'm not keen on signing Franzen to a longterm deal no way at all.

Out of sincere curiosity, do you do that on purpose?

[boomer 0]

Out of sincere curiosity, do you do that on purpose?

Oh what did I do now?

[eva unit zero 271]

It's not rocket science. You don't re-sign Axelsson, Krejci and Kessel are RFA's and should be had for $3m-$4m each. If they sign for $4m absolute max, sign a couple of depth Dmen for just over $1m then they have about $4.5 to spend on Thomas. I can't see Marco Sturm staying on the roster. Worst case scenario they have to buyout his contract which frees a further $2.2m. This is all based on a static cap. We'll see.

Axelsson is Boston's best penalty killing forward. He probably doesn't get as significant a raise as I theorized in my example earlier, but Boston currently has him signed for a $2.2m contract and I don't see him signing under $2m per season. Why do you expect them to buy out Sturm? Yes, he's out for the rest of this season, but that doesn't mean he won't be effective when he returns next season. As far as injured Bruins forwards are concerned, don't be shocked if you see a Manny Fernandez trade in the near future as Michael Ryder and his $4m contract are waiting for clearance from team doctors to return to playing.

Unless there are problems, Thomas will stay. You can never concede, can you?

Thomas is probably staying in Boston; but it does depend on what happens with players like Krejci, Kessel, Ryder, Sturm, and Fernandez.

[Outsider 42]

Oh what did I do now?

Nothing much, I guess. Depending on your point of view.

Just the fact that you have, on a number of occasions, called one of the best Defenseman, (some would argue the best Defenseman), to ever play the Game, a six-time Norris Trophy Winner, a sure-fire, first ballot, Hockey Hall of Famer, and definitely one of the greatest Players in Detroit Red Wings history.....

Nicklas Lindstrom.

It's rather like:

Gordie Howell

or

Terry Sapchick

[Mike 0]

Nothing much, I guess. Depending on your point of view.

Just the fact that you have, on a number of occasions, called one of the best Defenseman, (some would argue the best Defenseman), to ever play the Game, a six-time Norris Trophy Winner, a sure-fire, first ballot, Hockey Hall of Famer, and definitely one of the greatest Players in Detroit Red Wings history.....

Nicklas Lindstrom.

It's rather like:

Gordie Howell

or

Terry Sapchick

That is a pretty egregious mistake.

[Icesurfer 75]

I wouldn't mind seeing Howard in net on Friday.... give Ozzie a longer rest!

[boomer 0]

Nothing much, I guess. Depending on your point of view.

Just the fact that you have, on a number of occasions, called one of the best Defenseman, (some would argue the best Defenseman), to ever play the Game, a six-time Norris Trophy Winner, a sure-fire, first ballot, Hockey Hall of Famer, and definitely one of the greatest Players in Detroit Red Wings history.....

Nicklas Lindstrom.

It's rather like:

Gordie Howell

or

Terry Sapchick

You certainly know who the great players are and were. Do you also rememember Gary Hunger ?

[Outsider 42]

You certainly know who the great players are and were. Do you also rememember Gary Hunger ?

<sigh.....>

poke poke

jab jab

Case in point....