Time to line up for your crow.

[adtthosa 5]

Crow tastes DAMN good.

I hope he and Fil can keep it up.

[Booster313 138]

Ozzie defenders will never win on this forum - even if he plays spectacular games from here on out. Why? Any solid play will be attributed to the defense while any goals given up will be Ozzie "falling back into his slump".

It's lose/lose.

That's BS last year most of this site was all about Ozzie and thought Dom was the second coming of the black plague. This year it's Ozzie's turn and Conklin gets to be the knight in shining armor. Let's face it Detroit fans like to blame their goaltender first...and they always think the grass is always greener on the other side. Ozzie has played a couple of really nice games...I for one think he will be fine.

[eva unit zero 271]

If Kopecky keeps up his current pace from his past six games over the final 17 games, he'll finish the year with 9g-11a-20pt, +17, 18PIM, 60 shots, 15.0% over those 17 games and his stats over the entire year will be:

79GP, 14g-23a-37pt, +20, 56PIM, 142SHT, 9.9%

That's better than Franzen's numbers the past two seasons, for those keeping track. And for those keeping track, Kopecky is over two years younger than Franzen. For those who have said that Kopecky is too old to be 'just coming on' as a power forward, btw...I present Johan Franzen. At Kopecky's age, he was considered by many to be less than Kopecky is now. So be patient with Kopecky, especially given what Kopecky has been able to do while still recovering from a severe injury.

[hokike 1]

4th line is playing well and I do not care who's name is on the back.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

If Kopecky keeps up his current pace from his past six games over the final 17 games, he'll finish the year with 9g-11a-20pt, +17, 18PIM, 60 shots, 15.0% over those 17 games and his stats over the entire year will be:

79GP, 14g-23a-37pt, +20, 56PIM, 142SHT, 9.9%

That's better than Franzen's numbers the past two seasons, for those keeping track. And for those keeping track, Kopecky is over two years younger than Franzen. For those who have said that Kopecky is too old to be 'just coming on' as a power forward, btw...I present Johan Franzen. At Kopecky's age, he was considered by many to be less than Kopecky is now. So be patient with Kopecky, especially given what Kopecky has been able to do while still recovering from a severe injury.

You just like writing his name...

[eva unit zero 271]

Interesting comparison:

Recently traded "top-six" forward Patrick O'Sullivan.

ESTOI: 886:03

SHTOI: 140:28

PPTOI: 193:49

63GP, 14g-23a-37pt, +1, 16PIM, 201 Sht, 7.0%,

60 Hits, 29BkS, 100MsS, 60Gv, 31Tk, 18FoW, 22FoL, FO%45.0

ES: 11g-17a-28pt, PP: 2g-6a-8pt, SH: 1g-0a-1pt

Kopecky's stats this season

ESTOI: 584:10

SHTOI: 20:20

PPTOI: 19:44

62GP, 5g-12a-17pt, +3, 36PIM, 82 Sht, 6.1%,

91 Hits, 11BkS, 23MsS, 5Gv, 12Tk, 26FoW, 25FoL, FO%51.0

ES: 3g-11a-14pt, PP: 1g-1a-2pt, SH: 1g-0a-1pt

Now, given those stats, let's project what each player might have done if both played the average of their two ice times with no difference in their production.

O'Sullivan:

ESTOI: 735:07 (11:40 per game)

SHTOI: 80:24 (1:17 per game)

PPTOI: 106:47 (1:42 per game)

63GP, 11g-17a-28pt, +1, 12PIM, 152 Sht, 7.0%,

45 Hits, 22BkS, 76MsS, 45Gv, 23Tk, 14FoW, 18FoL, FO%43.8

ES: 9g-14a-23pt, PP: 1g-3a-4pt, SH: 1g-0a-1pt

Kopecky:

ESTOI: 735:07 (11:51 per game)

SHTOI: 80:24 (1:18 per game)

PPTOI: 106:47 (1:43 per game)

62GP, 13g-19a-32pt, +4, 54PIM, 121 Sht, 10.7%,

134 Hits, 16BkS, 34MsS, 7Gv, 18Tk, 38FoW, 37FoL, FO%50.7

ES: 4g-14a-18pt, PP: 5g-5a-10pt, SH: 4g-0a-4pt

After projecting their numbers, it showed that Kopecky's numbers would be considerably better in many areas. Does this mean that a team like LA or Edmonton would use Kopecky in their top six?

Also of note is that the above projected numbers for Kopecky are better than both "big" Edmonton wingers Ales Kotalik and Dustin Penner's with comparable even-strength time, slightly more shorthanded time, and much less power play time. And this is based on time spent mainly with Kris Draper and Kirk Maltby. Imagine what the "projected" numbers might look like if he were playing on a line with two of capable scorers and/or playmakers in Hudler/Franzen/Cleary/Samuelsson/Filppula/Leino all year.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...pecky_play.html

Brief little read about Kopecky.

I know a good part of being on a 4th line is being able to hit and be defenseively responsible, but Kopecky's numbers are up a little bit compared to last year, and nobody was really ragging on him last year. No, he's not going to be a 50-point man anytime soon but whenenver your 4th line guys can also generate opportunities/goals, I'm all for it, and he's been able to do that lately.

I will also emphasize that ACL injuries are a big pain in the rear end to come back from immediately. Remember when Fischer goofed up his knee in the 2002-03 season I believe? The following season wasn't his prettiest I think before finally starting to round back into good form until unfortuantely his heart incident in 2005-06.

Derian Hatcher? Goofed his knee up in 2005-06 just a few games in, he unfortunately wasn't the same for the Wings that season when he came back. Whether it is fair/unfair criticism on him when he only played about 15 games, you be the judge of that.

I tore my ACL and had surgery on it close to 5 years ago. While it certainly doesn't inhibit me from doing anything now, I didn't resume some type of normal activities with my knee until at least 6 months after surgery, and I still limp and walk funny after a hard workout or run or whatever.

These injuries take time to fully heal in terms of strength, players getting truly comfortable again without worrying about screwing the knee up once more, etc. All things considered Kopecky could be doing a lot worse right now.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Interesting comparison:

Recently traded "top-six" forward Patrick O'Sullivan.

ESTOI: 886:03

SHTOI: 140:28

PPTOI: 193:49

63GP, 14g-23a-37pt, +1, 16PIM, 201 Sht, 7.0%,

60 Hits, 29BkS, 100MsS, 60Gv, 31Tk, 18FoW, 22FoL, FO%45.0

ES: 11g-17a-28pt, PP: 2g-6a-8pt, SH: 1g-0a-1pt

Kopecky's stats this season

ESTOI: 584:10

SHTOI: 20:20

PPTOI: 19:44

62GP, 5g-12a-17pt, +3, 36PIM, 82 Sht, 6.1%,

91 Hits, 11BkS, 23MsS, 5Gv, 12Tk, 26FoW, 25FoL, FO%51.0

ES: 3g-11a-14pt, PP: 1g-1a-2pt, SH: 1g-0a-1pt

Now, given those stats, let's project what each player might have done if both played the average of their two ice times with no difference in their production.

O'Sullivan:

ESTOI: 735:07 (11:40 per game)

SHTOI: 80:24 (1:17 per game)

PPTOI: 106:47 (1:42 per game)

63GP, 11g-17a-28pt, +1, 12PIM, 152 Sht, 7.0%,

45 Hits, 22BkS, 76MsS, 45Gv, 23Tk, 14FoW, 18FoL, FO%43.8

ES: 9g-14a-23pt, PP: 1g-3a-4pt, SH: 1g-0a-1pt

Kopecky:

ESTOI: 735:07 (11:51 per game)

SHTOI: 80:24 (1:18 per game)

PPTOI: 106:47 (1:43 per game)

62GP, 13g-19a-32pt, +4, 54PIM, 121 Sht, 10.7%,

134 Hits, 16BkS, 34MsS, 7Gv, 18Tk, 38FoW, 37FoL, FO%50.7

ES: 4g-14a-18pt, PP: 5g-5a-10pt, SH: 4g-0a-4pt

After projecting their numbers, it showed that Kopecky's numbers would be considerably better in many areas. Does this mean that a team like LA or Edmonton would use Kopecky in their top six?

Also of note is that the above projected numbers for Kopecky are better than both "big" Edmonton wingers Ales Kotalik and Dustin Penner's with comparable even-strength time, slightly more shorthanded time, and much less power play time. And this is based on time spent mainly with Kris Draper and Kirk Maltby. Imagine what the "projected" numbers might look like if he were playing on a line with two of capable scorers and/or playmakers in Hudler/Franzen/Cleary/Samuelsson/Filppula/Leino all year.

Eva,

I don't understand how you rationalized this.

By "averaging" the ice time between the 2 you accomplished nothing but altered the playing field in favor of one player.

Essentially, you STOLE/PUNISHED Sully by taking away an average of 5.37 minutes per game.

And you GIFTED/BENEFITED Kopecky by adding 4.06 minutes of total ice time per game.

Combined that is nearly a 9 and 1/2 minute swing in ice time in favor of Kopecky. Of course that's going to SKEW the numbers into making his stats look better.

Just to show you how flawed your logic is, instead of O'Sullivan as a comparison. Compare Malkin's numbers to Kopecky and average them out. No wait, I'll do it for you b/c this is actually quite a bit of fun for me at the moment.

Malkin's ESTOI 1050.35. Kopecky's ESTOI 584.10. Average = 817.22. Now you're a fairly smart guy so I don't think I need to go any further with this analysis. If you can't see right off the bat that you have TAKEN 200 minutes of ice time away from one player and GIFTED 200 minutes to another player and that thereby nullifies any legitimate outcome then I don't know what else to tell you.

The only way your numbers/analysis would mean anything were if Kopecky's and Sully's point/statistical totals were even remotely close to one another and the only difference were that Kopecky wasn't getting nearly the amount of ice time. You could then hypothesize that given more ice time, Kopecky would have better numbers. But what you've done here is leaps and bounds from that. You've twisted the data by combining numbers (averages) which favors the person who is on the lower end of the 2 numbers being averaged out and punishes the person at the top end of the numbers.

You can't do that.

[therock48880 14]

Well Babcock has already stated openly that Helm has a roster spot for the playoffs, and also implied that Leino will play in the playoffs. Draper will never be a healthy scratch because of faceoffs. I'd say Maltby has a much higher chance of breaking into that line based on his experience than Kopecky does just because he's gotten a few points in the past 2 weeks.

Helm - Draper - Leino seems like a likely combination to me if Maltby isn't going to play.

Having a roster spot and playing are two different things. Rosters are expanded for the playoffs. Downey was on the roster last year for the playoffs, but didn't play. (and don't forget, Helm is a -7 in his short time up this year). Right now, Kopecky and Draper are playing extremely well. Maltby, on the other hand.................

[Opie 308]

If kopecky can actually give/take a hit without falling over I'll get a Kopecky tattoo on my back.

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When do we get to see photos of the tattoo??

[Datsyerberger 279]

I can't wait to see how Kopecky performs after getting a chance to bulk up this offseason.

[Vladifan 680]

Coat in egg, dredge in flour, panfry until brown. Put in a pan with equal parts cream of chicken soup and milk. Cook at 300 for about an hour, until cooked all the way through.

It worked last year when I had to eat Crowhan Franzen. Maybe it'll work this year with Crowpecky.

Yeah, I have been very down on him this year. I'm glad to see that he's turning it up. I think I have been so down on him because I had high hopes for him. I don't follow the Griffs, but I do pay attention to those who do, and many of them were praising him.

Hopefully this is him getting back from his injury, and he will continue to rise.

Thanks for the recipe! Hopefully, I won't have to go so far as to come up with a CrowFlip. Never was good at upsidedowning things like omelets...

[Mors 201]

This Kopecky bandwagon amazes me. You guys will do anything to justify his position on the team. The bottom line is he's a 4th line player who is designated to be high energy, tough, hard hitting and hard forechecking. He isn't. You guys talk like he's some new call up from GR...he's played 166 NHL games, he's 27 years old. The only thing Kopecky has going for him right now is his price tag.

Gratz on finding a video of 1 decent hit he laid out 6 months ago though... The other 99% of his "hits" are pathetic.

[2probert4 8]

Eva,

I don't understand how you rationalized this.

By "averaging" the ice time between the 2 you accomplished nothing but altered the playing field in favor of one player.

Essentially, you STOLE/PUNISHED Sully by taking away an average of 5.37 minutes per game.

And you GIFTED/BENEFITED Kopecky by adding 4.06 minutes of total ice time per game.

Combined that is nearly a 9 and 1/2 minute swing in ice time in favor of Kopecky. Of course that's going to SKEW the numbers into making his stats look better.

Just to show you how flawed your logic is, instead of O'Sullivan as a comparison. Compare Malkin's numbers to Kopecky and average them out. No wait, I'll do it for you b/c this is actually quite a bit of fun for me at the moment.

Malkin's ESTOI 1050.35. Kopecky's ESTOI 584.10. Average = 817.22. Now you're a fairly smart guy so I don't think I need to go any further with this analysis. If you can't see right off the bat that you have TAKEN 200 minutes of ice time away from one player and GIFTED 200 minutes to another player and that thereby nullifies any legitimate outcome then I don't know what else to tell you.

The only way your numbers/analysis would mean anything were if Kopecky's and Sully's point/statistical totals were even remotely close to one another and the only difference were that Kopecky wasn't getting nearly the amount of ice time. You could then hypothesize that given more ice time, Kopecky would have better numbers. But what you've done here is leaps and bounds from that. You've twisted the data by combining numbers (averages) which favors the person who is on the lower end of the 2 numbers being averaged out and punishes the person at the top end of the numbers.

You can't do that.

Oh this is nothing, you should have seen the stuff he used to throw at us in Yahoo NHL:1 when comparing Osgood to Patrick Roy, Ed Belfour and Martin Brodeur....

[2probert4 8]

Having a roster spot and playing are two different things. Rosters are expanded for the playoffs. Downey was on the roster last year for the playoffs, but didn't play. (and don't forget, Helm is a -7 in his short time up this year). Right now, Kopecky and Draper are playing extremely well. Maltby, on the other hand.................

A large part of that -7 was from that 8-0 crap last week....

[Opie 308]

This Kopecky bandwagon amazes me. You guys will do anything to justify his position on the team. The bottom line is he's a 4th line player who is designated to be high energy, tough, hard hitting and hard forechecking. He isn't. You guys talk like he's some new call up from GR...he's played 166 NHL games, he's 27 years old. The only thing Kopecky has going for him right now is his price tag.

Gratz on finding a video of 1 decent hit he laid out 6 months ago though... The other 99% of his "hits" are pathetic.

Well actually I only looked for one video because the poster said if he hit once without falling down he would get a tattoo, therefore he should but his back where his mouth is and get a tattoo. But seeing as you are so sure the 99% of his hits are pathetic why not back up YOUR OPINION with some facts?

99% is a pretty high number are you sure you weren't being facetious? Hyperbole? Exaggerating? OR are 99% of his hits really useless? Prove it.

I am not on the Kopecky bandwagon, more the "Putting LGW Hyperbole that becomes belief to rest" that is all, same thing I did over the past two seasons for Sammy.

For clarification:

My video was in response to :

If kopecky can actually give/take a hit without falling over I'll get a Kopecky tattoo on my back.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 122]

My take on Kopy - "The sun shines on a dogs ass once in a while"

Lets not get too carried away....you play long enough your bound to score and have good nights.....

[Mors 201]

Well actually I only looked for one video because the poster said if he hit once without falling down he would get a tattoo, therefore he should but his back where his mouth is and get a tattoo. But seeing as you are so sure the 99% of his hits are pathetic why not back up YOUR OPINION with some facts?

99% is a pretty high number are you sure you weren't being facetious? Hyperbole? Exaggerating? OR are 99% of his hits really useless? Prove it.

I am not on the Kopecky bandwagon, more the "Putting LGW Hyperbole that becomes belief to rest" that is all, same thing I did over the past two seasons for Sammy.

For clarification:

My video was in response to :

Well, it certainly is a FACT that the internet is full of videos of other team's "big" hitters destroying people (including several glorious hits on Kopecky himself) while in the span of 166 games there are only TWO noteworthy hits ever delivered by him (one of which you cited above, the other being Kopecky/Gauthier). I've been watching the Red Wings for 20 years and I've watched every single game this season...Kopecky is the softest "team leading" hitter in the league and is not a threat to anyone.

As I said before, it amazes me that the guy picks up a couple points and suddenly people are talking about him being a POWER FORWARD. The suggestion that Kopecky is even remotely comparable to Dustin Penner is laughable. Again, as I said before, the only thing he has going for him is his league minimum salary.

Requisite disclaimer so you don't bust out your dictionary for clever forum posts: THIS IS MY OPINION.

[therock48880 14]

A large part of that -7 was from that 8-0 crap last week....

He was -2 in that game.

[Opie 308]

Well, it certainly is a FACT that the internet is full of videos of other team's "big" hitters destroying people (including several glorious hits on Kopecky himself) while in the span of 166 games there are only TWO noteworthy hits ever delivered by him (one of which you cited above, the other being Kopecky/Gauthier). I've been watching the Red Wings for 20 years and I've watched every single game this season...Kopecky is the softest "team leading" hitter in the league and is not a threat to anyone.

As I said before, it amazes me that the guy picks up a couple points and suddenly people are talking about him being a POWER FORWARD. The suggestion that Kopecky is even remotely comparable to Dustin Penner is laughable. Again, as I said before, the only thing he has going for him is his league minimum salary.

Requisite disclaimer so you don't bust out your dictionary for clever forum posts: THIS IS MY OPINION.

Chill man, deep breath and then read:

The intent of the video I posted was because some one stated:

If kopecky can actually give/take a hit without falling over I'll get a Kopecky tattoo on my back.

I then posted the requisite one video showing he needed to back up his internet toughness with a tattoo he was wrong, Kopecky can hit and stay on his feet afterward.

You then claim that 99% of his hits are worthless, you have a specific number, so I ask you to back it up, if it is your opinion fine, but don't originally state it as fact and expect me to let your hyperbole pass as fact.

Did I compare Penner and Kopecky? Nope!

Did I say because he picked up a couple of points he was a power forward? Nope.

All I did was post a video proving a poster wrong. You then jumped on my post, and assume I think all of these things about Kopecky, all I did was prove he can make one hit and stay on his feet, and now that poster should get a tattoo because they were proven wrong. s*** I never even mentioned your name or anything you posted.

***What in the hell is that last sentence supposed to mean? Hyperbole, Facetious, and Exaggeration are all part of High School Sophmore English curriculum (at absolute most), I am well past high school so knowing those words does not take a dictionary, nor did it even take spell check?????***

[eva unit zero 271]

Eva,

I don't understand how you rationalized this.

By "averaging" the ice time between the 2 you accomplished nothing but altered the playing field in favor of one player.

Essentially, you STOLE/PUNISHED Sully by taking away an average of 5.37 minutes per game.

And you GIFTED/BENEFITED Kopecky by adding 4.06 minutes of total ice time per game.

Combined that is nearly a 9 and 1/2 minute swing in ice time in favor of Kopecky. Of course that's going to SKEW the numbers into making his stats look better.

Just to show you how flawed your logic is, instead of O'Sullivan as a comparison. Compare Malkin's numbers to Kopecky and average them out. No wait, I'll do it for you b/c this is actually quite a bit of fun for me at the moment.

Malkin's ESTOI 1050.35. Kopecky's ESTOI 584.10. Average = 817.22. Now you're a fairly smart guy so I don't think I need to go any further with this analysis. If you can't see right off the bat that you have TAKEN 200 minutes of ice time away from one player and GIFTED 200 minutes to another player and that thereby nullifies any legitimate outcome then I don't know what else to tell you.

The only way your numbers/analysis would mean anything were if Kopecky's and Sully's point/statistical totals were even remotely close to one another and the only difference were that Kopecky wasn't getting nearly the amount of ice time. You could then hypothesize that given more ice time, Kopecky would have better numbers. But what you've done here is leaps and bounds from that. You've twisted the data by combining numbers (averages) which favors the person who is on the lower end of the 2 numbers being averaged out and punishes the person at the top end of the numbers.

You can't do that.

What rationalized it? Kopecky's TTOI is about half O'Sullivan's, as is his production. Go ahead, look up the numbers. What I was trying to to was include the separations between ES/PP/SH TOI because if a player scores 2 points in 20 minutes of PP time, how does that affect his overall numbers?

And GST...you do realize that "top-six forward" O'Sullivan has yet to hit the 40 point mark despite playing more minutes than Datsyuk, in the role of an offensive forward, on the power play, and with linemates who were offensively capable?

O'Sullivan played more than 3 minutes per game on the PP for LA, on average over 63 games. Yet he only has 8 PP points. That sounds like an huge failure on his part. For comparison? Jiri Hudler has played a comparable amount of PP time and scored 25 points. Edward Purcell has scored 4 points in only 56 minutes, a much quicker rate of PP scoring than O'Sullivan. O'Sullivan was seventh among the team's forwards in power play points despite being top six among forwards in PP ice time.

So I picked a forward who, like Kopecky, played both center and wing who seemed to have similar numbers to Kopecky after accounting for the differences in total ice time.

Kopecky is much better defensively and physically than O'Sullivan, and what I have done is projected each player's numbers out to a set total at ES/PP/SH. I could have just used O'Sullivan's numbers and that seems like it would have circumvented your argument by not taking away any ice time from O'Sullivan.

[Carman 387]

When do we get to see photos of the tattoo??

He can do that in the preseason, yay! I thought kopecky is supposed to be a energy-grinding player for our 4th line. If anything he is entertaining the crowd by anklebending his way into the goalies, and making his team mates laugh at him on the bench for his hands of stone.

But seriously, I just want one of his 90+ hits this year to be like they were over a year ago. I know he is recovering from a knee injury, but I just want to see some motivation through hits, and there have been very few times this year. He is a big guy, and if he wants to turn into franzen then we better fill the physical role that he isn't filling. His hits this year are concerning to me, I'm not asking for Scott Stevens, but the 4th line has been weak on the fore-check all year, and even weaker in the defensive zone. I know that isn't all Tomas, but he was part of it. I hope they can keep up the last couple games into the playoffs.

[Opie 308]

He can do that in the preseason, yay! I thought kopecky is supposed to be a energy-grinding player for our 4th line. If anything he is entertaining the crowd by anklebending his way into the goalies, and making his team mates laugh at him on the bench for his hands of stone.

But seriously, I just want one of his 90+ hits this year to be like they were over a year ago. I know he is recovering from a knee injury, but I just want to see some motivation through hits, and there have been very few times this year. He is a big guy, and if he wants to turn into franzen then we better fill the physical role that he isn't filling. His hits this year are concerning to me, I'm not asking for Scott Stevens, but the 4th line has been weak on the fore-check all year, and even weaker in the defensive zone. I know that isn't all Tomas, but he was part of it. I hope they can keep up the last couple games into the playoffs.

So no pics of the tattoo?

[Carman 387]

So no pics of the tattoo?

Give me a couple days for some money. Although I should have said this season*. haha.

[Opie 308]

Give me a couple days for some money. Although I should have said this season*. haha.

No harm no foul, that last post was supposed to be a joke, but was a not funny, poorly written one at that!!!

I post crap all of the time, in a hurry, busy at work, whatever reason where I don't mean it, and I honestly expected your answer to be, I was exaggerating.

Sorry if I was too abrasive!