3/7 GDT: Blue Jackets 8 at Red Wings 2

[I Red Wings I 40]

The point is this problem was a combination of Democratic insitnency on lower standards for lending, and the Rebulican free-marketeers' deregulation that made mortgage backed securities common practice...we're all in the suck together now, so blaming someone who's been in office for less than 2 months and calling him the socialist is nothing more than drinking the Limbaugh/Joe the Plumber kool-aid...and it's silly...go to the Lexis Nexis d-base and read look up REAL news on how it happened...start reading from newswire services like AP and UPI...stop getting your news from cable and ENTERTAINERS like Rush...

It's not Rush, Michael Savage. He's called Bush a socialist for years...just sayin

[greenrebellion 415]

Actually, its more like tens of dollars for some, and hundreds for others. Money that most Americans would spend on pizza, soda, and porn anyways.

And its a good thing. Because according to CBC, if the auto-makers fail, Detroit will be relocated, don't you know.

Well in that case, BAIL THEM OUT!!

[RedStormRising 7]

Make a million and one excuses if you want, and when this many goals go in blaming the defense is the only thing left to do...it's so easy, Osgood allows a goal on a tip-in, "Oh my, the defense should've stopped that!"

No, Osgood should've stopped it. Or allowed it. What can be done on those plays? They are hockey plays, the defense can't get to every tip and every shooting opportunity. The goaltender has to come up with some saves. The Wings have now allowed 8 goals in a game twice in a week. Osgood has been responsible for 11 of the 16 goals. The guy arguing that Osgood "got a shutout in his first game back"? That argument doesn't exactly hold water when you look a.)the team he played and b.)his overall "play" this season.

The Wings didn't make a move at the deadline, and they are seeing the results. Osgood is having one of the worst seasons by any goalie in recent memory, anyone who is in denial about this has their blinders on. The defense has had their problems but it has A LOT to do with Osgood, the fact is the Wings allow fewer goals with Conklin in goal. Osgood had his "break" and it had no effect whatsoever. Nail him to the bench and say goodbye.

Agreed.

[ben_usmc 253]

I wish we had Luongo right now. Your heads would explode when we still lose this game 8-2.

Again, NO ONE, not even the damn media that loves to jump on this stuff is on Osgood's ass right now. That doesn't mean they feel sorry for him. Again, that's just how bad our D has been lately.

Same thing went down last week when it was Conklin in net.

When you leave your goalie hanging over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, you're going to get blown out. BLOWN OUT!!!

Just like we have.

It's an 8-2 game with Luongo, Sawchuck, Brodeur.

seriously get the f*** over it, Ozzy sucks man its that simple. He is not the Ozzy of last year, things don't always stay the same. People get older, people get slower, I mean come the f*** on. How can anyone defend the s*** that Ozzy has done on the ice this year. Hell if we had an ice girl playing goalie the score would have been 8-2 but at least it would be understandable.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Good post. Because of his small stature and lack of confidence this year, he's been coming farther out of the goal. So when these deflections go in that are "not Osgood's fault"....many other goalies may have made the save. The fact is that Osgood's rebound control and positioning has been off all year, and its making him give up goals that "look" like they aren't his fault, but most other goalies in the league would.

Do you guys really think we have the WORST defense in the league? Then why is Osgood at the bottom of the league statistically.

BTW:

Canucks up 1-0

To add to that, Steve Mason was perfectly positioned on a penalty kill to stop a shot that had been deflected at the side of the goal. In other words, the 2nd goal that was scored on Osgood that was "deflected" - you know that "unstoppable" one - was actually stoppable where Mason was concerned.

Things like that have been the difference all year between the other teams net and ours.

[Pasha13 0]

It's not Rush, Michael Savage. He's called Bush a socialist for years...just sayin

Well as much as I disagree with Savage, at least he wasn't Bush's shine-boy like the others....either way, dude, this isn't the place for it...the only way to settle it is with a tug-o-war...we'll hand out red and blue shirts and have at it...see who's right.

[Guest mindfly]

It will be ugly to look on the stats now after two blowouts... datsyuk led the league in +- for a few days, was third in points, lidström looked like norris nick, kronwall picked up his game... all for nothing... it's all s*** again... now it's either start over again or fall deeper in the s***.

Edited March 8, 2009 by mindfly

[savaking72 0]

And the irony of it all, is that the folks Obama is bailing out are without a doubt Republicans.

That is funny, but I didn't say that I liked it! They should be allowed to fail.

Surewhynot:

I know what Bush did. I also know what Obama is doing, and both are wrong. My ******* eyes are open. they saw the whole ******* game. you don't have to tell me Osgood blew it. I saw it, I know it, but he isn't the only reason. The D is to blame also. They had no energy at all tonight. Filppula is eternally on my s*** list. He is a waste of space. He doesn't finish checks, he doesn't score, and he's a freak'n *****. He needs to go back to finland. atleast he will have publicly funded healthcare.

[Guest MrSandMan]

I retract my earlier statement about Steve Mason. He is very good. Damn...

Oh, and Rick Nash > World. He kills us. EVERY GAME.

I haven't read through the thread, but I'm sure it's awful. I'm sure it's full of complaining about contracts, whining about defensive play, numerous Osgood debates, and loads of hyperbole, so I'm going to refrain.

Mason is a stud, no doubt about that at all. He will be (and should be) CBJ's franchise goalie.

And yes, the GDT is a complete melt down.

This photo pretty much sums it up

[gcom007 1,465]

Make a million and one excuses if you want, and when this many goals go in blaming the defense is the only thing left to do...it's so easy, Osgood allows a goal on a tip-in, "Oh my, the defense should've stopped that!"

No, Osgood should've stopped it. Or allowed it. What can be done on those plays? They are hockey plays, the defense can't get to every tip and every shooting opportunity. The goaltender has to come up with some saves. The Wings have now allowed 8 goals in a game twice in a week. Osgood has been responsible for 11 of the 16 goals. The guy arguing that Osgood "got a shutout in his first game back"? That argument doesn't exactly hold water when you look at a.)the team he played and b.)his overall "play" this season.

The Wings didn't make a move at the deadline, and they are seeing the results. Osgood is having one of the worst seasons by any goalie in recent memory, anyone who is in denial about this has their blinders on. The defense has had their problems but it has A LOT to do with Osgood, the fact is the Wings allow fewer goals with Conklin in goal. Osgood had his "break" and it had no effect whatsoever. Nail him to the bench and say goodbye.

Edit: there's no use posting really though, there will always be the "Chris Osgood is a bonafide Hall-of-Famer" contingent that will find a way using their advanced-hockey-knowledge-of-defense-and-goaltending that will explain away how Osgood is still relevant as a hockey player.

Yeah, they are. But when it happens 2-3 times a game, you've got a point. How many giveaways tonight did the D give up? How many stupid passes? How many breakaways?

Tons.

If it was 2-3, it'd boil down to "hockey plays."

When it's 15-20 if not far more, it's just pathetic.

[Duck Guy 86]

Great, and my answer to them is:

That's another reason why Osgood will start in the Playoffs and Conklin won't

That's in the past. I could also remind you that Osgood dominated last year and led us to the cup. Conklin sucked last Saturday and Ozzie had to finish the game. Osgood responded with a shutout in his very next game. Conklin did not.

Always? Mmmm.... odd. I thought he played great when Hasek was not. Did you watch Hockey last year? Just curious.

i think people are more concerned about this year... Osgood has been horrendous this year... THERE IS no way you can point to one game (where ozzy got the shutout after replacing conklin) and say osgood is remotely close to playoff starting material... Honestly if playoffs started tomorrow and based on this year's stats you would be comfortable starting ozzy?

Edited March 8, 2009 by Duck Guy

[I Red Wings I 40]

2-0 Canucks! Woooo

[Pasha13 0]

2-0 Canucks! Woooo

Is that with or without the goal that they're in the process of disallowing?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

we for sure need to stop giving out NTC unless we get a massive discount from the player in return; and I mean massive. The NTC alone is what is going to kill the Wings.

Also god forbid we actually think that if someone breaks through the defense we expect a goalie to do his damn job and ******* stop a shot; Ozzy sucks, let him ***** and cry on the bench all playoffs.

Seriously they need to just bring up Howard and let him have a fair ******* chance to show what he is made of, at least give us some ******* options. For the management to have such great results all the team, you wonder what the f*** they are doing an awful lot.

Rafalski did not take a "massive" discount. It was a couple hundred K - about 600 to be exact, according to Rafalski the day he was signed by the Wings. The rumored "discount" he took - which was reported by Kahn, not Rafalski himself - was basing numbers off of ONE year of the contract, not the cap average of the contract.

With that said, Rafalski is STILL overpaid at 6M. A defenseman's first assignment is defense - not scoring. If we wanted a 50 point guy who plays average defense out on the ice with our 3 forwards, we'd put Hudler out there and be done with it.

[I Red Wings I 40]

Is that with or without the goal that they're in the process of disallowing?

Without

[vangvace 12]

I think it's funny that all the Ozzy bashers (and are fair weather fans) come down hard on Osgood. Yet, last week when Conklin was absolutely pathetic, didn't catch this much heat... Then Conklin comes in tonight and gives up the softest goal of the game, but that's Defense's fault...

Conklin isn't the answer. Our only chance come PO if Osgood. Love it or hate it, Conklin sucks, Osgood sucks, but atleast Ozzie is a proven goalie and proved that he can come up big.

Osgood > Conklin

Conklin has more wins, more shutouts, better save %, and lower goals against average.

That said a tandem would be best imo

[Pasha13 0]

Without

Well we owe the Sharks big for making our blunders less costly. They're hummin' it hard lately.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

To add to that, Steve Mason was perfectly positioned on a penalty kill to stop a shot that had been deflected at the side of the goal. In other words, the 2nd goal that was scored on Osgood that was "deflected" - you know that "unstoppable" one - was actually stoppable where Mason was concerned.

Things like that have been the difference all year between the other teams net and ours.

Yep exactly, People also need to stop living in the past, yes Ozzie brought us some cups, but this is a different year, different season. Ozzie can't even play in a low pressure game this year, how do you expect him to play in a high pressure game. His head is screwed up right now, and I don't think he can take anymore pressure.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

lol. i just listened to babcock earlier today try and explain away last weeks 8-0 loss, too. he said, well, that happens, it was just the wakeup call we needed, etc. jesus babcock, get a grip. this team hasn't woken up all ******* year. explain this one, will ya, this is the worst the wings have been defensively and in goal since i've been a fan. the ******* worst!!!!!

this team doesn't deserve to win, plain and simple. they've refused to get their arrogant ******* heads out of their asses all season long, and everbody says don't worry, this team's great, they one the cup, and so on. well guess what, it's ******* time to worry.

does this team ruin everybody else's wekends, or is it just me. seems like every saturday or sunday they completely blow chunks.

fruck!

[Guest MrSandMan]

i think people are more concerned about this year... Osgood has been horrendous this year... THERE IS no way you can point to one game (where ozzy got the shutout after replacing conklin) and say osgood is remotely close to playoff starting material... Honestly if playoffs started tomorrow and based on this year's stats you would be comfortable starting ozzy?

Over Conklin or McDonald? Yes.

He's our only option. And, as someone else pointed out, we need to worry about our D first and goaltending second. We're not paying a goalie to play like a Luongo or a Brodure, so our D needs to play tight (like last year).

The rest will all come together.

[gcom007 1,465]

seriously get the f*** over it, Ozzy sucks man its that simple. He is not the Ozzy of last year, things don't always stay the same. People get older, people get slower, I mean come the f*** on. How can anyone defend the s*** that Ozzy has done on the ice this year. Hell if we had an ice girl playing goalie the score would have been 8-2 but at least it would be understandable.

I didn't defend Osgood at all early in the season. I thought most of his '08 starts were rough as can be. I haven't defended everything in '09. I'm not even saying he played great tonight and the D screwed him over. I'm saying the defense was 10X worse than Osgood could've possibly been tonight and they have been again and again lately. Osgood's been slowly improving in '09 despite the atrocious defensive play. I'm not saying he's playing great, but he's been improving while the defense has been getting worse. Tonight, and last week especially, the defense was just abysmal. The defense collectively played a worse game tonight than Osgood has played this year and that's saying a lot.

I've just watched all of the goals again multiple times. Again, like even the goalie-hating media has noted, you can't fault Osgood for much in this game. Go read back in my posts through this whole season. You'll see that I have no problem calling Osgood or Conklin out when they deserve it. I've done it plenty this year, and far more so for Osgood. The goalies have been getting left hung out to dry over and over lately. They're bound to fail miserably and again, when these awful plays are happening so perpetually, even the media struggles to knock the goalies.

What is most ridiculous to me again is that even if one says Osgood played a bad game, how can you not say the defense played a FAR worse game?!? And why aren't you talking about that???

[ben_usmc 253]

Rafalski did not take a "massive" discount. It was a couple hundred K - about 600 to be exact, according to Rafalski the day he was signed by the Wings. The rumored "discount" he took - which was reported by Kahn, not Rafalski himself - was basing numbers off of ONE year of the contract, not the cap average of the contract.

With that said, Rafalski is STILL overpaid at 6M. A defenseman's first assignment is defense - not scoring. If we wanted a 50 point guy who plays average defense out on the ice with our 3 forwards, we'd put Hudler out there and be done with it.

I know, my point is that we should ONLY give out NTC if they take a massive discount. Which Raffy nor Stuart, Draper have. Cleary was playing amazing when he got his so...I'm on the fence. But we need to stop handing those things the f*** out to every ******* that has a decent season or else we end up being Toronto 2.0 telling our kids the glory days of Wings hockey.

I also believe you pay a player for his primary job 1st and take on a few extra for secondary. Large some of money for playing great at either foward/defense/goaltending, take on if they can play F plays good d/hits/fights. D/score/assist/fight. goaltending/stop a motherf***ing shot.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Rick Nash is the ultimate enemy. What a dick.

[Pasha13 0]

Rick Nash is the ultimate enemy. What a dick.

He's honestly SO freakin good...but I despise him...what a pain in the ass he is...bastard.

[gcom007 1,465]

Conklin has more wins, more shutouts, better save %, and lower goals against average.

That said a tandem would be best imo

He's also got more losses in less games.