3/7 GDT: Blue Jackets 8 at Red Wings 2

[VM1138 1,921]

Wow, had a really crappy day, and in a few hours starting an even longer crappy day at work, and the Wings get blown out....again? Damn...

[Guest MrSandMan]

Ok...You cant point to ONE game and say hey look conkiln / D sucks.. Just like you cant point to one game where a team like the wild score 8 goals and say hey look there offense is a juggernaut.

Well then... do us a favor and give us Giggy, k.

How 'bouts that?

[Guest mindfly]

Your positivity and optimism are refreshing. Tell me again, what team do you root for? Because to be frank, you always post more when we lose than when we win. And when we win, you always find something to ***** about.

Why don't you go be offensive to another group of people that post on this board.....maybe you can pick on Canadians this time instead of women.

As I said before i watch alot of different games not only wings games, so im not too keen in all the homers saying this team will be fine, osgood will be better etc... I think it's unacceptable with two blowout losses, especially with the high performance level this team has when they "decide to play" and the players that are on their rosters, in the same weak, imo i think the crowd who saw the game at the JLA today should get refund, they got robbed.

[Duck Guy 86]

Well then... do us a favor and give us Giggy, k.

How 'bouts that?

[Guest MrSandMan]

I'm not being sarcastic. Giggy is more solid than both of ours.

But I doubt you'll let us use him for the PO's?

[Duck Guy 86]

I'm not being sarcastic. Giggy is more solid than both of ours.

But I doubt you'll let us use him for the PO's?

Unfortunately my powers dont go beyond sec 420 of the ponda

Edited March 8, 2009 by Duck Guy

[gcom007 1,465]

Ok...You cant point to ONE game and say hey look conkiln / D sucks.. Just like you cant point to one game where a team like the wild score 8 goals and say hey look there offense is a juggernaut.

One game? Conklin's had his fair share of stinker games this year too if you're going to lump it all on the goalie. There have been a plethora of games this year where the D has just played downright mediocre in front of Conklin/Osgood and numerous examples where the D just played atrocious and left Conklin/Osgood out to try. This is hardly an isolated problem with the defense.

What's infinitely more worrisome is that there's been very few games where the teams showed up and totally dominated like they're capable of doing. The San Jose 6-0 game comes to mind and the Sharks game a couple weeks ago as well. The Pittsburgh game where they totally shut down Malkin and Crosby and held them to something like 1 shot each I believe. They'll show up once in awhile for these big games and play huge and then just completely DISAPPEAR against bottom of the barrel teams half the time.

I suppose the upside of that is that hopefully once the playoffs come around and all the games are big games, they'll turn it on.

Honestly, I'm still not too worried about that...

[puckloo39 5,686]

I haven't even read the GDT and missed the entire game. Boy, am I glad!!

But... 8-2, seriously??

[Electrophile 3,554]

loo......if we're lyin', we're dyin'.

[ChelisChick 174]

I haven't even read the GDT and missed the entire game. Boy, am I glad!!

But... 8-2, seriously??

The only good thing you missed was Aaron scoring a goal.

And my secret rendezvous with BlueMonk.

Oops. Not so secret anymore.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

After missing the game and reading (some of) this thread..Im gonna make a educated guess and say we sucked eggs again tonight.....that sucks.....

Oh well, Im glad I wasnt on the ice tonight......Babs HAS to be pissed.....and I wonder if Holland made a visit to the locker room tonight...

[puckloo39 5,686]

loo......if we're lyin', we're dyin'.

I know, kiddo. I need a drink before I go back and read the thread to see what happened. Poor Wings, they need an attitude adjustment or something. Not good being blown out twice in the span of one week, regardless of who's "fault" it was. It was the TEAM's fault, I assume.

[ChelisChick 174]

Everybody sucked. Sorry way to pay tribute to Mrs. Hockey.

I hate games like that.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

Just saw the ..... well Highlights???? if you cam call them that..........

That was a huge embarrassment ...Wow they looked BAD

[Electrophile 3,554]

Don't worry, maybe Colleen will send Gordie to kick their butts.

[gcom007 1,465]

I seem to remember a stretch a few years ago where we were missing Holmstrom and had a lot of rough games and then remembering another stretch before that where the same variable was at play. I think getting him back will help as we'll start putting more pucks in the net and deflating teams like this a bit before all things go to hell. Holmstrom and Hossa out is kinda a big deal when you really think about it. Especially considering Hossa hussles more than the whole team combined most nights this year...

[beepbeep 3]

To go off-topic for a brief sojourn.................we are still a capitalist nation. We are not, nor have we ever been, anything but a capitalist nation. People who think we're socialist, communist or anything other than capitalist, have no ******* clue what the words mean that they are attempting to use. Stop buying into s***ty right-wing talking points.

That is arguably, one of my biggest pet peeves in life.

Ya gotta understand that some people get all their information feeding at the Rush Limbaugh hog trough............

[shadow47 1]

Don't worry, maybe Colleen will send Gordie to kick their butts.

Yeah, after the seance.

[Lazerbeam 13]

gcom007

Conklin's stats are inflated because he's got quite a few shutouts against junk teams and started in some games where the team played completely up to their potential. He's had plenty of stinker games too and a boatload of 3-4 goal games. Go look at the game log. It's not near as pretty consistently as his stats suggest. And I'm not saying Osgood's stats or game by games should thrill you this season by any stretch. But the fact that anyone thinks that going with a totally unproven guy like Conklin with inconsistent numbers is infinitely better off than going with a guy having a shaky season who won his second Cup 9 months ago is out of their minds. I'm not saying Osgood is playing well, but Conklin is absolutely not playing well enough to warrant any sort of elevated confidence in him. Neither goalie has played great this year the whole way through.

But again...

More so, neither goalie has gotten much help and heaven knows what team will show up to play in front of them any given night.

The MORON CLUB's members are in full force again

Edited March 8, 2009 by Lazerbeam

[shadow47 1]

Conklin's stats are inflated because he's got quite a few shutouts against junk teams and started in some games where the team played completely up to their potential. He's had plenty of stinker games too and a boatload of 3-4 goal games. Go look at the game log. It's not near as pretty consistently as his stats suggest. And I'm not saying Osgood's stats or game by games should thrill you this season by any stretch. But the fact that anyone thinks that going with a totally unproven guy like Conklin with inconsistent numbers is infinitely better off than going with a guy having a shaky season who won his second Cup 9 months ago is out of their minds. I'm not saying Osgood is playing well, but Conklin is absolutely not playing well enough to warrant any sort of elevated confidence in him. Neither goalie has played great this year the whole way through.

But again...

More so, neither goalie has gotten much help and heaven knows what team will show up to play in front of them any given night.

Get this, NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD EVER say Osgood's play has "thrilled" or that he has played "great" this year. In no sports column would his play be deemed even remotely acceptable. Horrible, a failure, a minor-leaguer, off-his-game, would all be used...this isn't about a guy who's on again off again or who has hung in there or is a starting goaltender in a slump or was a force early and has tailed off, it's a guy who's been a passenger on a great team all year. Who's had chances and chances to turn it around and hasn't come close. He's letting his team down. His play is unacceptable. Now admit it.

[ben_usmc 253]

well think about it this way everyone. We will be getting 2 top six fowards back Hossa and Homer (hell it's been forever since Homer has played that will be a HUGE improvement). Also at least this year unlike the last 2 we have a nervous play off run, so when we inevitably win it will be that much sweater because of all the downs.

Also my hero Datsyuk has been a quite recently, so expect them to turn it on when they need to. They will not fail, I Promise.

edit: 97.1 says Downey will probably be sent down , sounds about right. A player plays great push him out

Edited March 8, 2009 by ben_usmc

[Pavrik Zettersyuk 4]

I just got home and watched the 'highlights.' I really thought that 8 - 0 blowout would wake them up but I was wrong.

This is such a downer to come home from a long day at work to

I don't want to hear anything about 'no Hossa!!!!11' or 'no Homer!!!1,' we've played amazing without both and every team deals with injuries, which are least of all an excuse that's acceptable for the DETROIT RED WINGS! FUUUUUUUUCK!

[Wingsallwin 0]

gcom007

Conklin's stats are inflated because he's got quite a few shutouts against junk teams and started in some games where the team played completely up to their potential. He's had plenty of stinker games too and a boatload of 3-4 goal games. Go look at the game log. It's not near as pretty consistently as his stats suggest. And I'm not saying Osgood's stats or game by games should thrill you this season by any stretch. But the fact that anyone thinks that going with a totally unproven guy like Conklin with inconsistent numbers is infinitely better off than going with a guy having a shaky season who won his second Cup 9 months ago is out of their minds. I'm not saying Osgood is playing well, but Conklin is absolutely not playing well enough to warrant any sort of elevated confidence in him. Neither goalie has played great this year the whole way through.

But again...

More so, neither goalie has gotten much help and heaven knows what team will show up to play in front of them any given night.

The MORON CLUB's members are in full force again

I did not know the Sharks, and Hawks are garbage teams. And as you just said, sometimes team's potential comes into play, there was Conklin. Isn't that pretty much a deal?

Think about it. I played hockey as a defense and still do. When you have a reliable goalie on the back, you can play more comfortable because even though you make little mistakes, the goalie will be able to cover up. However, when you have a terrible goalie like Osgood now, you cannot play comfortable because you have too much pressure on keeping the puck well.

I know Conklin is an umproven goalie even though he is having a good season with us but we have two choices right now. Osgood, who has a tremendous experience of playoff, and Conklin who has only few minutes of experience. If we have to choose one right now, I will choose Conklin over Osgood while many others will choose Osgood.

I know the experience on goalie is very significant during the playoff but experience is only experience. There is hell no chance Osgood will have a success by this performance. I kind hoped Osgood would bounce back but that was only two games, shutout against the Blues and the Kings.

Now as you mentioned ,as Conklin got lucky on weak teams, Osgood got lucky on weak teams. Then why are stats between two goalies are very different? Did NHL love Conklin over Osgood and they changed the stats of Conklin?

No. If you really watched many of the Wings games this season, you probably realized Osgood is always out of his position and having a slow reaction. I meant, when the playoff time comes up, the most important position is goalie, not defenses or offenses.

This team by far has gotten no goalie who really can take this team to far in the playoff. Then, if there is none, we have to build the confidence on goalie. I agreed that we have to build a confidence on both but first Osgood because he has more experience. However, now I think we would rather build the confidence on Conklin.

Remember, Osgood was not successful in any other teams when he left the Wings. He had some but not as much as he was in the Wings. I think people here overestimate Osgood. If you go out and ask other teams' fans, Osgood is not even considered as a starter. I have tons of firends who watch hockey but no one says Osgood is a great goaltender.

Again, I am not bringing up the disgrace upon Osgood but this season is not his season. We have only one month left and this is the time we have to prepare for the playoff, not just testing which goalie will be our starter.

Don't get me wrong. I am scared of the Wings meet Jackets in the first round. They reminded me consider them as the Flames and Oilers who beat us just few years ago by only one good goalie.

[beepbeep 3]

I'll vouch for the first part. Remember we had a disagreement until we came to an understanding which was reinforced by this game actually.

Unless the D shapes up, we don't have a superstar in goal. That's just a fact.

but it's also a fact (since some on here are throwing that around like it applied to TONIGHT'S game) that the D has been particularly horrendous on many more occasions this year than last.

As I said during the massacre, when Detroit has cared this season, they have shut some good teams down. But when the other team has played desperation hockey kinda like what Columbus did tonight, Detroit has struggled all year long.

The Playoffs will be interesting no doubt.

Superstar? s*** when Osgood is in goal we don't even have an AHL goalie. Granted the defence hasen't been great but when your #1 goalie faces 23, yes that's right only 23 shots and lets in 7 it's pretty damn hard to believe that either one of the Griffins goalies could be worse..............

[beepbeep 3]

I did not know the Sharks, and Hawks are garbage teams. And as you just said, sometimes team's potential comes into play, there was Conklin. Isn't that pretty much a deal?

Think about it. I played hockey as a defense and still do. When you have a reliable goalie on the back, you can play more comfortable because even though you make little mistakes, the goalie will be able to cover up. However, when you have a terrible goalie like Osgood now, you cannot play comfortable because you have too much pressure on keeping the puck well.

I know Conklin is an umproven goalie even though he is having a good season with us but we have two choices right now. Osgood, who has a tremendous experience of playoff, and Conklin who has only few minutes of experience. If we have to choose one right now, I will choose Conklin over Osgood while many others will choose Osgood.

I know the experience on goalie is very significant during the playoff but experience is only experience. There is hell no chance Osgood will have a success by this performance. I kind hoped Osgood would bounce back but that was only two games, shutout against the Blues and the Kings.

Now as you mentioned ,as Conklin got lucky on weak teams, Osgood got lucky on weak teams. Then why are stats between two goalies are very different? Did NHL love Conklin over Osgood and they changed the stats of Conklin?

No. If you really watched many of the Wings games this season, you probably realized Osgood is always out of his position and having a slow reaction. I meant, when the playoff time comes up, the most important position is goalie, not defenses or offenses.

This team by far has gotten no goalie who really can take this team to far in the playoff. Then, if there is none, we have to build the confidence on goalie. I agreed that we have to build a confidence on both but first Osgood because he has more experience. However, now I think we would rather build the confidence on Conklin.

Remember, Osgood was not successful in any other teams when he left the Wings. He had some but not as much as he was in the Wings. I think people here overestimate Osgood. If you go out and ask other teams' fans, Osgood is not even considered as a starter. I have tons of firends who watch hockey but no one says Osgood is a great goaltender.

Again, I am not bringing up the disgrace upon Osgood but this season is not his season. We have only one month left and this is the time we have to prepare for the playoff, not just testing which goalie will be our starter.

Don't get me wrong. I am scared of the Wings meet Jackets in the first round. They reminded me consider them as the Flames and Oilers who beat us just few years ago by only one good goalie.

The way our defence and goalies are playing I'm afraid of any team that makes the playoffs...........