3/7 GDT: Blue Jackets 8 at Red Wings 2

[gcom007 1,465]

Great, and my answer to them is:

That's another reason why Osgood will start in the Playoffs and Conklin won't

That's in the past. I could also remind you that Osgood dominated last year and led us to the cup. Conklin sucked last Saturday and Ozzie had to finish the game. Osgood responded with a shutout in his very next game. Conklin did not.

Always? Mmmm.... odd. I thought he played great when Hasek was not. Did you watch Hockey last year? Just curious.

I wish people would do some research and look back at your posts from last year. They would see quite clearly that you are hardly an Osgood slappy. You're just a reasonable person.

No one's talking about the goaltending in the post-game show. They're talking about the defense. The media is talking about the defense and skipping the goaltending bashing they love to do.

That goes to tell you just how bad our defense has been lately.

Reviling.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Osgood absolutely did not lose this game tonight. He's played plenty bad this year. This game is not on him. The defense and play of this team was atrocious just like last week. Like the commentators said numerous times, you could really fault Osgood on that 6th goal. The rest, what can you say? The defense was non-existent. Anyone exherting more energy hating on Osgood than on the defense is out of their minds. If anything this should tell you just how awful our D is no matter who is in net. The defense lately is far worse than Osgood's been at his worst all year. How about you start talking about that.

What is this? Did the Wings defense take the shots at Osgood too?

Heres a thought - If the Wings defense makes a mistake, the puck still doesn't have to go in. Believe it or not, there IS another line of defense between the defensman and the goal.

Why does it seem like this board has a hard time with wrapping their head around the concept that a goaltender CAN play well when his defense doesn't.

Tonights loss is on BOTH the Wings defense and the goaltending, per usual. Defense was terrible, goaltending was weak. Both are complicit.

God I wish we could've traded Rafalski for a goaltender at the deadline.

[gcom007 1,465]

So you refute my point by saying Conklin's stats are in the past and then use last year to say that Osgood is the way to go?? My point is Osgood clearly does NOT have it this year and we'd be better off going with Conklin besides the obvious risks (lack of playoff experience).

Conklin has no experience and hasn't looked near as good in '09 as he did in the first half. Meanwhile, Osgood's improved in '09 while the D's looked worse and worse.

I'm not saying that going with Osgood doesn't come with some worries or concerns, but at this point, considering Conklin's got no experience and our D is infinitely more troubled than our goalies anyways, there's really no logical reason to NOT go with a guy who won the Cup 8-9 months ago.

No one in that locker room is worried about goaltending right now. They're worried about defense. Wake up.

[savaking72 0]

To go off-topic for a brief sojourn.................we are still a capitalist nation. We are not, nor have we ever been, anything but a capitalist nation. People who think we're socialist, communist or anything other than capitalist, have no ******* clue what the words mean that they are attempting to use. Stop buying into s***ty right-wing talking points.

That is arguably, one of my biggest pet peeves in life.

So...The government deciding to give OUR hard earned money to bail out banks who gave unsecured loans to people who knew they couldn't make the payments, and giving out our money to private coperations like GM an Chrysler isn't a tad socialistic. Also starting a health insurance program for kids that is funded by all taxpayers. This isn't leaning towards sociamism? What about Obama now try to amend the 2nd amendment? You sir need to stop watching CNN and MSNBC. When your government TAKES your hard earned money, and starts giving it to the private sector because they can't bail themselves out....that is socialism. When your government tells you what you are going to do with your money-that is socialism. When your government takes your money, and then starts a nationwide healthcare plan for anyone...that is socialism. In a capitalistic country business is allowed to prosper and die. Why should I have to pay some idiot's mortgage when he can't...why should I be forced? When you are forced to help someone else it isn't charity, that is socialism. When the government is making you do it...that is socialism.

[Guest MrSandMan]

So you refute my point by saying Conklin's stats are in the past and then use last year to say that Osgood is the way to go?? My point is Osgood clearly does NOT have it this year and we'd be better off going with Conklin besides the obvious risks (lack of playoff experience).

Reading comprehensions... not your strongest thing, huh?

[Guest mindfly]

Rafalski is making it hard for this team with his massive 6M contract NTC included as well... imagine what you could do with those money... a top goalie or dominating defenseman

[greenrebellion 415]

Conklin has no experience and hasn't looked near as good in '09 as he did in the first half. Meanwhile, Osgood's improved in '09 while the D's looked worse and worse.

I'm not saying that going with Osgood doesn't come with some worries or concerns, but at this point, considering Conklin's got no experience and our D is infinitely more troubled than our goalies anyways, there's really no logical reason to NOT go with a guy who won the Cup 8-9 months ago.

No one in that locker room is worried about goaltending right now. They're worried about defense. Wake up.

If no one is worried about goaltending then why was Ozzie benched for 10 days. I think you need to wake up.

[sureWhyNot 19]

I wish people would do some research and look back at your posts from last year. They would see quite clearly that you are hardly an Osgood slappy. You're just a reasonable person.

No one's talking about the goaltending in the post-game show. They're talking about the defense. The media is talking about the defense and skipping the goaltending bashing they love to do.

That goes to tell you just how bad our defense has been lately.

Reviling.

What the f*** would it take foryou ignorant folks to realize Osgood is a HUGE problem -- HUGE. Note I said HUGE and not ONLY.

He is 40th of 42 among NHL goalies in terms of GAA

He is DEAD LAST (42nd) among NHL goalies in terms of SV%

In the two BLOWOUTS he has given up 11 goals while Conklin has allowed 5. BOTH are horrendous numbers - ONE IS WORSE.

You sir need to open your ******* eyes.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

So...The government deciding to give OUR hard earned money to bail out banks who gave unsecured loans to people who knew they couldn't make the payments, and giving out our money to private coperations like GM an Chrysler isn't a tad socialistic. Also starting a health insurance program for kids that is funded by all taxpayers. This isn't leaning towards sociamism? What about Obama now try to amend the 2nd amendment? You sir need to stop watching CNN and MSNBC. When your government TAKES your hard earned money, and starts giving it to the private sector because they can't bail themselves out....that is socialism. When your government tells you what you are going to do with your money-that is socialism. When your government takes your money, and then starts a nationwide healthcare plan for anyone...that is socialism. In a capitalistic country business is allowed to prosper and die. Why should I have to pay some idiot's mortgage when he can't...why should I be forced? When you are forced to help someone else it isn't charity, that is socialism. When the government is making you do it...that is socialism.

And the irony of it all, is that the folks Obama is bailing out are without a doubt Republicans.

[Pasha13 0]

So...The government deciding to give OUR hard earned money to bail out banks who gave unsecured loans to people who knew they couldn't make the payments, and giving out our money to private coperations like GM an Chrysler isn't a tad socialistic. Also starting a health insurance program for kids that is funded by all taxpayers. This isn't leaning towards sociamism? What about Obama now try to amend the 2nd amendment? You sir need to stop watching CNN and MSNBC. When your government TAKES your hard earned money, and starts giving it to the private sector because they can't bail themselves out....that is socialism. When your government tells you what you are going to do with your money-that is socialism. When your government takes your money, and then starts a nationwide healthcare plan for anyone...that is socialism. In a capitalistic country business is allowed to prosper and die. Why should I have to pay some idiot's mortgage when he can't...why should I be forced? When you are forced to help someone else it isn't charity, that is socialism. When the government is making you do it...that is socialism.

I don't know if you remember who made the biggest step toward socialism in our nation's history...the guy who DEMANDED that the first bank bailout be made? His name rhymed with BUSH...and compared to him, Clinton's presidency looked like the model for firscal conservatism...which is what your party is demanding right now...BARF...wait...why are we talking politics anyhow??? This is a SPORTS forum...

[albo23 10]

Osgood absolutely did not lose this game tonight. He's played plenty bad this year. This game is not on him. The defense and play of this team was atrocious just like last week. Like the commentators said numerous times, you could really fault Osgood on that 6th goal. The rest, what can you say? The defense was non-existent. Anyone exherting more energy hating on Osgood than on the defense is out of their minds. If anything this should tell you just how awful our D is no matter who is in net. The defense lately is far worse than Osgood's been at his worst all year. How about you start talking about that.

Just go sit down. It is always a goalies fault when you let in 7 goals. There is no fighting that. It's not ALL your fault but he deserves the majority. Just because the defense let up doesn't mean there is an empty net. Yes, there is someone between the pipes that is supposed to recover if the defense lets up. It is his job to step up when the defense steps down. It is the offenses' job to step up when the goalie steps down and the offense has stepped up and covered for Osgood much too often. We have the best PP and the best offense in the league. They are the reason we are at the top, the goalie is the reason why we won't finish at the top. Defense has a fault, yes, but goalie must step up.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Rafalski is making it hard for this team with his massive 6M contract NTC included as well... imagine what you could do with those money... a top goalie or dominating defenseman

I love, just LOVE that we have nearly 10M tied up in untradeable, overpaid defenseman.

[Guest MrSandMan]

Conklin has no experience and hasn't looked near as good in '09 as he did in the first half. Meanwhile, Osgood's improved in '09 while the D's looked worse and worse.

I'm not saying that going with Osgood doesn't come with some worries or concerns, but at this point, considering Conklin's got no experience and our D is infinitely more troubled than our goalies anyways, there's really no logical reason to NOT go with a guy who won the Cup 8-9 months ago.

No one in that locker room is worried about goaltending right now. They're worried about defense. Wake up.

Exactly, you just summed up the real problem. I agree.

Wish the FWF's (fair weather fans) would stop blaming ozzy when the teams defense sucks ass lately.

[I Red Wings I 40]

I don't know if you remember who made the biggest step toward socialism in our nation's history...the guy who DEMANDED that the first bank bailout be made? His name rhymed with BUSH...and compared to him, Clinton's presidency looked like the model for firscal conservatism...which is what your party is demanding right now...BARF...wait...why are we talking politics anyhow??? This is a SPORTS forum...

What's your point? No one brought Bush up but you, always talking about the past, bring up what's going on TODAY.

[albo23 10]

So...The government deciding to give OUR hard earned money to bail out banks who gave unsecured loans to people who knew they couldn't make the payments, and giving out our money to private coperations like GM an Chrysler isn't a tad socialistic. Also starting a health insurance program for kids that is funded by all taxpayers. This isn't leaning towards sociamism? What about Obama now try to amend the 2nd amendment? You sir need to stop watching CNN and MSNBC. When your government TAKES your hard earned money, and starts giving it to the private sector because they can't bail themselves out....that is socialism. When your government tells you what you are going to do with your money-that is socialism. When your government takes your money, and then starts a nationwide healthcare plan for anyone...that is socialism. In a capitalistic country business is allowed to prosper and die. Why should I have to pay some idiot's mortgage when he can't...why should I be forced? When you are forced to help someone else it isn't charity, that is socialism. When the government is making you do it...that is socialism.

Uhh.. It's not your money. That's the taxes you paid to the government. It is now their money. You can whine about it but the Big 3 would have failed and so would have the economy.

[shadow47 1]

Make a million and one excuses if you want, and when this many goals go in blaming the defense is the only thing left to do...it's so easy, Osgood allows a goal on a tip-in, "Oh my, the defense should've stopped that!"

No, Osgood should've stopped it. Or allowed it. What can be done on those plays? They are hockey plays, the defense can't get to every tip and every shooting opportunity. The goaltender has to come up with some saves. The Wings have now allowed 8 goals in a game twice in a week. Osgood has been responsible for 11 of the 16 goals. The guy arguing that Osgood "got a shutout in his first game back"? That argument doesn't exactly hold water when you look at a.)the team he played and b.)his overall "play" this season.

The Wings didn't make a move at the deadline, and they are seeing the results. Osgood is having one of the worst seasons by any goalie in recent memory, anyone who is in denial about this has their blinders on. The defense has had their problems but it has A LOT to do with Osgood, the fact is the Wings allow fewer goals with Conklin in goal. Osgood had his "break" and it had no effect whatsoever. Nail him to the bench and say goodbye.

Edit: there's no use posting really though, there will always be the "Chris Osgood is a bonafide Hall-of-Famer" contingent that will find a way using their advanced-hockey-knowledge-of-defense-and-goaltending that will explain away how Osgood is still relevant as a hockey player.

Edited March 8, 2009 by shadow47

[RWK23 0]

I retract my earlier statement about Steve Mason. He is very good. Damn...

Oh, and Rick Nash > World. He kills us. EVERY GAME.

I haven't read through the thread, but I'm sure it's awful. I'm sure it's full of complaining about contracts, whining about defensive play, numerous Osgood debates, and loads of hyperbole, so I'm going to refrain.

Edited March 8, 2009 by RWK23

[greenrebellion 415]

Uhh.. It's not your money. That's the taxes you paid to the government. It is now their money. You can whine about it but the Big 3 would have failed and so would have the economy.

Big 3 are going to fail anyway, its just going to take BILLIONS of your money before they figure out its inevitable.

Edited March 8, 2009 by greenrebellion

[Guest mindfly]

I love, just LOVE that we have nearly 10M tied up in untradeable, overpaid defenseman.

I agree.. just luuuuuuuuuuuuv it, if you can fault Ken Holland for something is that he's offering (or agreeing on) too many NTC's to players who shouldn't have them in the first place...

Edited March 8, 2009 by mindfly

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

What is this? Did the Wings defense take the shots at Osgood too?

Heres a thought - If the Wings defense makes a mistake, the puck still doesn't have to go in. Believe it or not, there IS another line of defense between the defensman and the goal.

Why does it seem like this board has a hard time with wrapping their head around the concept that a goaltender CAN play well when his defense doesn't.

Tonights loss is on BOTH the Wings defense and the goaltending, per usual. Defense was terrible, goaltending was weak. Both are complicit.

God I wish we could've traded Rafalski for a goaltender at the deadline.

No kidding on the bolded part the wings make D's look silly and their goalie comes up with the save. The problem with Osgood is his positioning. People say Osgood has no chance that's because Osgood does not give himself a chance. On that second goal he came really far out of the net on a pass that was wide of the net, leaving the backdoor open.

[Pasha13 0]

What's your point? No one brought Bush up but you, always talking about the past, bring up what's going on TODAY.

The point is this problem was a combination of Democratic insitnency on lower standards for lending, and the Rebulican free-marketeers' deregulation that made mortgage backed securities common practice...we're all in the suck together now, so blaming someone who's been in office for less than 2 months and calling him the socialist is nothing more than drinking the Limbaugh/Joe the Plumber kool-aid...and it's silly...go to the Lexis Nexis d-base and read look up REAL news on how it happened...start reading from newswire services like AP and UPI...stop getting your news from cable and ENTERTAINERS like Rush...

[gcom007 1,465]

I wish we had Luongo right now. Your heads would explode when we still lose this game 8-2.

Again, NO ONE, not even the damn media that loves to jump on this stuff is on Osgood's ass right now. That doesn't mean they feel sorry for him. Again, that's just how bad our D has been lately.

Same thing went down last week when it was Conklin in net.

When you leave your goalie hanging over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, you're going to get blown out. BLOWN OUT!!!

Just like we have.

It's an 8-2 game with Luongo, Sawchuck, Brodeur.

[greenrebellion 415]

No kidding on the bolded part the wings make D's look silly and their goalie comes up with the save. The problem with Osgood is his positioning. People say Osgood has no chance that's because Osgood does not give himself a chance. On that second goal he came really far out of the net on a pass that was wide of the net, leaving the backdoor open.

Good post. Because of his small stature and lack of confidence this year, he's been coming farther out of the goal. So when these deflections go in that are "not Osgood's fault"....many other goalies may have made the save. The fact is that Osgood's rebound control and positioning has been off all year, and its making him give up goals that "look" like they aren't his fault, but most other goalies in the league would.

Do you guys really think we have the WORST defense in the league? Then why is Osgood at the bottom of the league statistically.

BTW:

Canucks up 1-0

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Big 3 are going to fail anyway, its just going to take BILLIONS of your money before they figure out its inevitable.

Actually, its more like tens of dollars for some, and hundreds for others. Money that most Americans would spend on pizza, soda, and porn anyways.

And its a good thing. Because according to CBC, if the auto-makers fail, Detroit will be relocated, don't you know.

[ben_usmc 253]

I agree.. just luuuuuuuuuuuuv it, if you can fault Ken Holland for something is that he's offering (or agreeing on) too many NTC's to players who shouldn't have them in the first place...

we for sure need to stop giving out NTC unless we get a massive discount from the player in return; and I mean massive. The NTC alone is what is going to kill the Wings.

Also god forbid we actually think that if someone breaks through the defense we expect a goalie to do his damn job and ******* stop a shot; Ozzy sucks, let him ***** and cry on the bench all playoffs.

Seriously they need to just bring up Howard and let him have a fair ******* chance to show what he is made of, at least give us some ******* options. For the management to have such great results all the team, you wonder what the f*** they are doing an awful lot.