Carman 387 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 since when was it decided that ozzie is done? Goalies that have better stats then Ozzie. 1 Tim Thomas, BOS 2 Steve Mason, CLS 3 Pekka Rinne, NSH 4 Jonas Hiller, ANH 5 Niklas Backstrom, MIN 6 Evgeni Nabokov, SJ 7 Scott Clemmensen, NJ 8 Roberto Luongo, VAN 9 Ty Conklin, DET 10 N. Khabibulin, CHI 11 Tomas Vokoun, FLA 12 Chris Mason, STL 13 Henrik Lundqvist, NYR 14 Cristobal Huet, CHI 15 Ryan Miller, BUF 16 Cam Ward, CAR 17 Yann Danis, NYI 18 Alex Auld, OTT 19 Erik Ersberg, LA 20 Mike Smith, TB 21 Jonathan Quick, LA 22 Brian Elliott, OTT 23 Martin Biron, PHI 24 M. Fleury, PIT 25 Dwayne Roloson, EDM 26 Craig Anderson, FLA 27 A. Niittymaki, PHI 28 Jose Theodore, WAS 29 Carey Price, MON 30 Marty Turco, DAL 31 Jason LaBarbera, LA/VAN 32 Miikka Kiprusoff, CGY 33 Ilya Bryzgalov, PHO 34 Dan Ellis, NSH 35 Jaroslav Halak, MON 36 Peter Budaj, COL 37 Kari Lehtonen, ATL 38 Patrick Lalime, BUF 39 Andrew Raycroft 40 J. Giguere, ANH 41 Manny Legace, STL 42 Vesa Toskala 43 Chris Osgood 44. Johan Hedburg It seems he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Ask yourself this... Do you want Hossa? or Do you want a top-tier goalie? (and we'll still lose Franzen and maybe Hudler too) I want.. *looks at list of bitching topics*.. .. no cap! Then the Wings can have it all! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Goalies that have better stats then Ozzie. 1 Tim Thomas, BOS 2 Steve Mason, CLS 3 Pekka Rinne, NSH 4 Jonas Hiller, ANH 5 Niklas Backstrom, MIN 6 Evgeni Nabokov, SJ 7 Scott Clemmensen, NJ 8 Roberto Luongo, VAN 9 Ty Conklin, DET 10 N. Khabibulin, CHI 11 Tomas Vokoun, FLA 12 Chris Mason, STL 13 Henrik Lundqvist, NYR 14 Cristobal Huet, CHI 15 Ryan Miller, BUF 16 Cam Ward, CAR 17 Yann Danis, NYI 18 Alex Auld, OTT 19 Erik Ersberg, LA 20 Mike Smith, TB 21 Jonathan Quick, LA 22 Brian Elliott, OTT 23 Martin Biron, PHI 24 M. Fleury, PIT 25 Dwayne Roloson, EDM 26 Craig Anderson, FLA 27 A. Niittymaki, PHI 28 Jose Theodore, WAS 29 Carey Price, MON 30 Marty Turco, DAL 31 Jason LaBarbera, LA/VAN 32 Miikka Kiprusoff, CGY 33 Ilya Bryzgalov, PHO 34 Dan Ellis, NSH 35 Jaroslav Halak, MON 36 Peter Budaj, COL 37 Kari Lehtonen, ATL 38 Patrick Lalime, BUF 39 Andrew Raycroft 40 J. Giguere, ANH 41 Manny Legace, STL 42 Vesa Toskala 43 Chris Osgood 44. Johan Hedburg It seems he is. Good point, here's another one. Goalies that have won the Stanley Cup in the last year. 1 Chris Osgood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Goalies that have better stats than Ozzie. I've been told that goalie's stats don't matter this season. That's what I hear! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Good point, here's another one. Goalies that have won the Stanley Cup in the last year. 1 Chris Osgood Cam Ward. EDIT: What I mean by this is, the whole team is more important then the goalie. It's just Osgood for whatever reason can't seem to get the confidence of the whole team. It's not a good situation and he is running out of time to find the switch. Edited March 24, 2009 by Carman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Good point, here's another one. Goalies that have won the Stanley Cup in the last year. 1 Chris Osgood And that is only because the Wings do not have every goaltender in the league on their roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 I have a solution that I think would be feasible, what about a Clemmenson/Conklin tandem for next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaynardJKeenan 1 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 W's are the only stat that really counts and Ozzy's not doing too shabby in that department. Hell, it was Conks that got the L last night, lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Crazy 201 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 I have a solution that I think would be feasible, what about a Clemmenson/Conklin tandem for next year? I like this but I think that both these guys will get a raise in pay that will still make it too expensive if we resign Hossa. I do like this alot better then the Ozzy/rookie idea. If Ozzy keeps this up I wouldn't be surprised if he was to retire after this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) " We goaltenders tend to be very proud bastards." Gerry Cheevers Edited March 24, 2009 by interminded Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
albo23 10 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Good point, here's another one. Goalies that have won the Stanley Cup in the last year. 1 Chris Osgood Maybe because he was on the red wings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaynardJKeenan 1 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Maybe because he was on the red wings? Still is, with Hossa instead of Drake, although I'd love a Drake type player come playoff time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Still is, with Hossa instead of Drake, although I'd love a Drake type player come playoff time. Still is a year older. Lots of things happen in a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 The Red Wings are lazy and they sucktm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 ok, not bashing Ozzie, BUT I have noticed his problem and it will probably not change for the playoffs. It is still mental. Remember Manny Legace, everytime he gave up a bad goal, he looked up in the air, got down on himself, pretty much psyched himself out of the game. The was the major difference between him and Osgood. The ocassional bad goal didn't rattle Osgood. He'd let in a center ice goal, scoop the puck out take a drink of water and get back in the net with little drama. Look at ALL three goals last night, he looks up, shakes his head, and gets himself thinking too much about the next shot beating him too! He's got Manny disease and there is no cure. He was the ultimate easy going goaltender, nothing got to him. This year, that has changed, everything gets to him, and I hate to say it, but the 10 day sit down did not help, it only hurt him. Now he is thinking what happens if I give up a bad goal? How long untul I give up a bad goal? When will I get yanked? As we've all seen in Manny, it is ir-reversable. Osgood is done, he has lost his coolness and lostr his advantage. Don't know if he'll start the playoffs, but if he doesn't get out of the psychological funk, he won't finish them. C'Mon Ozzie! Snap out of it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Ask yourself this... Do you want Hossa? or Do you want a top-tier goalie? (and we'll still lose Franzen and maybe Hudler too) EDIT: You can't have both in the cap world. You're not going to get a top-tier goaltender. There are none available via free agency (the best is probably Martin Biron, and he's kind of a "meh" starter) and I can't see anybody moving their starting goaltender.....unless you want Vesa Toskala Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 President's trophy is overrated imo without a cup to put it in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Still time to sort this stuff out before the playoffs start... 1 game doesn't define an entire season (yes I know Osgood has had more than one bad game this year)... Wings have even had bad games/goaltending in the playoffs at time and it still worked out pretty well (last year in 1st round, 2002 WC Quarterfinals vs. St. Louis game 3, 1997 WCF vs. Colorado game 5 as examples)... In terms of this year, no choice but to go with Osgood or Conklin unless they get injured, no choice but to trust them... Osgood is not done, Conklin is not done... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsallwin 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Good point, here's another one. Goalies that have won the Stanley Cup in the last year. 1 Chris Osgood Yup he was. Now what? He is absolutely a joker in this team. 2 cups? yes. With who? The best team in the league, the Detroit Red Wings. If he was not in the Wings? I do not know he could be considered as a good goaltender. Am I bashing Osgood? No. Go out and ask other team's fans about Osgood's real talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsallwin 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Still time to sort this stuff out before the playoffs start... 1 game doesn't define an entire season (yes I know Osgood has had more than one bad game this year)... Wings have even had bad games/goaltending in the playoffs at time and it still worked out pretty well (last year in 1st round, 2002 WC Quarterfinals vs. St. Louis game 3, 1997 WCF vs. Colorado game 5 as examples)... In terms of this year, no choice but to go with Osgood or Conklin unless they get injured, no choice but to trust them... Osgood is not done, Conklin is not done... 1 game doesn't define as entire season? Yes I totally agree. Then do crappy 40 games decide the game? I meant, 90 percentage of starts were horrible. That is why I said we need Backstrom. He had a hard time to finish the deal with the Wild. Osgood is not done. Yes. Conklin is not done. Yes. However, Osgood is not gonna improve anyway. People here are just blind and illusional about Osgood's performance. His last season was probaly just the last boomer. It is almost done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 1 game doesn't define as entire season? Yes I totally agree. Then do crappy 40 games decide the game? I meant, 90 percentage of starts were horrible. That is why I said we need Backstrom. He had a hard time to finish the deal with the Wild. Osgood is not done. Yes. Conklin is not done. Yes. However, Osgood is not gonna improve anyway. People here are just blind and illusional about Osgood's performance. His last season was probaly just the last boomer. It is almost done. No we don't need Backstrom. The Red Wings are built around a average ~2 million dollar netminder. We use that extra salary to pay superstars. The difference between a #10 goalie and a #20 goalie is defense. It's just sad that Osgood isn't in the top 40 and that's my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Maybe because he was on the red wings? Or maybe the Red Wings won partly because of him. Something the stat-whores seem to overlook is what makes a team good is winning, and if the team is winning with Osgood, it doesn't matter what his stats say. The entire team could be full of, like in cups before, players nowhere near the top of the leaderboard in points, for example. People seem to want their cake and eat it too, and seem to think that hugging stats makes their knee-jerk reaction seem justifiable or logical when it isn't. If the team isn't winning and it's because of Osgood's play, then he goes. Simple as that. He doesn't go because he has an 88 or 89 save% and a 3.0+ GAA. Players confuse coaches with statisticians, which is a good reason why they aren't coaches. Edited March 24, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRWfan 24 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 We don't have a golie. Let's face it. I knew it last year, and 10 years before that. We never had one. This is by far the biggest problem of the team. Every time we getting a cheep garbage, old completely expired stars, in order to save money for good offence... So what is the solution? Where to find a good but cheep one? Historically the best goltenders were in Sweden and Finland. That's where we need to look for them. Canadians and Americans have some good ones, but they are expensive. Russians and Czechs have one maximum two good ones every other decade so they are expenseve too, all others we will not even talk about. That is why Larsen is with no dout in my mind the best we have right now. Of course it's too late in the season to go to him and we need to use Conklin since he is our only chance... But next year Larsen should be the one to be tried for the # 1 position. If not, go and scout in Sweden of Finland. We will find a good one there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GROwl 5 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 If you think Ozzie has been inconsistent this year, just wait...Jimmy Howard is even more inconsistent. I've watched him play for the past 4 years in GR and he's no better/no worse than when he first came. He has a great month. Then follows it up with a very mediocre month. At best, he should be a back up for a very strong NHL goalie. Somehow a duo of Ozzie/Howard doesn't bode well for next year. While I've only seen Daniel Larsson for one year now, it sure appears that he has more long term potential than Jimmy. Especially since he's had to adapt to a different size rink. I'm also looking forward to seeing Thomas McCollum in a game or two when his Jr. season finishes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenway9 1 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Unless, Whoever forbid, Hossa sees what's up with the goalie thing and decides to move to a team with a better chance at winning the Cup. The only good thing that would come out of that is that they might have the money then to get a better, more consistent goalie. This is a serious concern of mine (Hossa going elsewhere because of the goaltending). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
