Bleeding vein likely to keep Lilja out for start of postseason

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Scary stuff, this kind of stuff ruins careers. Get well soon Andreas.

I'm seriously biting my tongue regarding the whole purpose of needing an enforcer during the regular season. Andreas would never have been in this situation. The anti-enforcer crew can't have a plausible argument against it now.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Lilja should sue the league, the officials, and and the player who hit him.

I hope this is a joke.

Maybe Yzerman should sue the goalpost for his knee injury and others the ice for bruises?

Edited April 8, 2009 by E_S_A_D

[Vladifan 680]

That is indeed a rotten thing to happen to him. The scariest part to me is that they will only go in and sew it up if they have to. Which suggests the damage is not in a good place.

Get well, Lils. Hockey or no, may you heal completely.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

No way, he's gotta play so that our guys, in a show of solidarity with their fallen comrade, show Weber what we do to people who injure our teammates (whether they were asking for it or not). Franzen and Sameulsson are both about the same size as Weber, so he better look out. I'm predicting that they both go with him at some point durring the game.

Yes, Sammuelson has a thorough open hand slap to deliver. Franzen plans to kneel down on the ice, make scary / mean faces, then cry when he gets hurt. They'll show him!

[Husker BigGuy 0]

Why....to any of those three?

Lilja was hit eight times without returning a punch.

When it came to the fight, Weber was the aggressor, despite Lilja's clearing illegal roughing penalty.

The officials did not stop the fight when Lilja went down. In fact, Weber hit him 4 times while he was down. Even in boxing that it not allowed.

Furthermore, Weber was not even given a match penalty for the injury.

The league looks blindly on these things because fans who want an ultimate fighting side show besides a hockey game are thereby entertained.

It made me sick when Jack Tatum killed Daryl Stingley. Tatum was not playing football.

I was a youngster and saw Benny Paret's manager stand by and watch as his fighter died from a beating by Emil Griffith scarcely three months after Paret was bludgeoned by Gene Fullmer. The official stood by, too.

That fight changed boxing for the better for good, and this is coming to the NHL real soon. Hopefully it comes before someone like Andreas Lilja dies.

BTW, I am a huge boxing fan.

Edited April 8, 2009 by Husker BigGuy

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Lilja was hit eight times without returning a punch.

When it came to the fight, Weber was the aggressor, despite Lilja's clearing illegal roughing penalty.

The officials did not stop the fight when Lilja went down. In fact, Weber hit him 4 times while he was down. Even in boxing that it not allowed.

Furthermore, Weber was not even given a match penalty for the injury.

The league looks blindly on these things because fans who want an ultimate fighting side show besides a hockey game are thereby entertained.

It made me sick when Jack Tatum killed Daryl Stingley. Tatum was not playing football.

I was a youngster and saw Benny Paret's manager stand by and watch as his fighter died from a beating by Emil Griffith scarcely three months after Paret was bludgeoned by Gene Fullmer. The official stood by, too.

That fight changed boxing for the better for good, and this is coming to the NHL real soon. Hopefully it comes before someone like Andreas Lilja dies.

BTW, I am a huge boxing fan.

Then football would have to take out tackling; replace it with flags.

Baseball would have to wear body armor for beaned batters.

Basketball would have to soften the court due to falls.

Hockey's hockey... it's progress that the guys wear helmets. It wasn't long ago that the goalies didn't wear any; do some reading on Gary Sawchuck.

[DatsMyWings13 4]

Then football would have to take out tackling; replace it with flags.

Baseball would have to wear body armor for beaned batters.

Basketball would have to soften the court due to falls.

Hockey's hockey... it's progress that the guys wear helmets. It wasn't long ago that the goalies didn't wear any; do some reading on Gary Sawchuck.

To everything said above!

Suggesting he sue is ridiculous

[Husker BigGuy 0]

Then football would have to take out tackling; replace it with flags.

Football solved the spearing problem that Tatum perfected, but unfortunately only after the Stingley incident. More recently, they implemented the Roy Williams horse-collar rule more proactively to avoid concussions.

Passes over the middle to wide-outs are virtually already illegal in the NFL due to concussions, as Don Beebe can attest. Hockey is way behind the curve on the ridiculous tolerance of fist-fighting, especially when defenseless players are getting injured.

Even John L. Sullivan never hit a man when he was down.

Baseball would have to wear body armor for beaned batters.

"Beaning" is hitting someone in the head with a ball. There is already armor against that. In MLB, NO ONE throws at someone's head. When pitchers throw at someone, they throw at their legs. They are warned and tossed after warning, and fined seriously when they do it. As well, there is shin armor, and many players wear it. There are no league rules governing "appropriate" purposeful attempts to hit a batter.

Basketball would have to soften the court due to falls.

Pro basketball is not a sport with rules, so let's just pass on that.

Hockey's hockey... it's progress that the guys wear helmets. It wasn't long ago that the goalies didn't wear any; do some reading on Gary Sawchuck.

If "hockey is hockey" it doesn't need ultimate fighting cameos.

Edited April 8, 2009 by Husker BigGuy

[Guest E_S_A_D]

If "hockey is hockey" it doesn't need ultimate fighting cameos.

Oh no.... Another one?

[Mike 0]

I will be surprised if Lilja plays another game this season. I say rest him up for next season and let Ericsson stay up. No reason to push Lilja into coming back and risking anything.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I will be surprised if Lilja plays another game this season. I say rest him up for next season and let Ericsson stay up. No reason to push Lilja into coming back and risking anything.

This, for sure. I am just sorry his health is compromised, as he was having such a great season. I'd rather have him disappointed, as opposed to dead or disabled.

*thanks, Mac, I didn't see the identical thread earlier...

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Lilja was hit eight times without returning a punch.

When it came to the fight, Weber was the aggressor, despite Lilja's clearing illegal roughing penalty.

Lilja was KO'd standing up, if he had fallen down like normal it wouldn't have been an issue. Without that to signal the end of the fight, there was no reason for Weber to let up against a reeling opponent who had not moments before slammed him down to the ice from behind for no discernible reason.

The officials did not stop the fight when Lilja went down. In fact, Weber hit him 4 times while he was down. Even in boxing that it not allowed.

I count three, but only maybe one good shot among them, and that's normal. Guys fall to their knees and get right back up and keep on trucking all the time. An actual enforcer probably would have let up, but this wasn't some tough guy vs tough guy sideshow, this was a heat of the moment true blue fight. The refs immediately skated in to stop the fight the very instant Lilja dropped to his knees.

Furthermore, Weber was not even given a match penalty for the injury.

Nobody even knew Lilja was hurt until after the game.

The fight was fine. It was unfortunate that a serious injury came out of it, but sometimes that's just the way it goes.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Lilja was KO'd standing up, if he had fallen down like normal it wouldn't have been an issue. Without that to signal the end of the fight, there was no reason for Weber to let up against a reeling opponent who had not moments before slammed him down to the ice from behind for no discernible reason.

I count three, but only maybe one good shot among them, and that's normal. Guys fall to their knees and get right back up and keep on trucking all the time. An actual enforcer probably would have let up, but this wasn't some tough guy vs tough guy sideshow, this was a heat of the moment true blue fight. The refs immediately skated in to stop the fight the very instant Lilja dropped to his knees.

Nobody even knew Lilja was hurt until after the game.

The fight was fine. It was unfortunate that a serious injury came out of it, but sometimes that's just the way it goes.

QFT

The outcome was unfortunate, but I think you're taking this too far Husker. There's far more examples of players that didn't let up when a player was on the ground "defenseless", and the outcome was nothing more than a few scratches.

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

Ouch. That even sounds painful. I hope he gets better soon.

[Reds4Life 51]

that sucks

I hope Lils is going to be fine ..

[selkie 10]

In SAT terms:

Spinal Tap :: drummers

Detroit Red Wings :: defensemen

Hope he recovers fully and doesn't feel the need to, say, take up dog-sledding during the off season.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

And all this from a fight that was an even draw.

Hell, when Probert got KO'd by Ewen, he came back in that very game to fight again.

I guess this is what happens when you have a slip in a fight. Just a bizzarre situation.

Edited April 8, 2009 by GMRwings1983

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Gotcha. I thought of that, but figured you were referring to Rafalski.

Cheers

Nah- having Rafalski off the blue line has actually helped reduce the turn-over trouble this team has had

Here's hoping Rafalski comes back well rested and with his concentration focused on defense.

[MidMichSteve 1,115]

Damn. Get well soon Andreas.

I hope it heals quickly and you are healthy and ready for next season. It would worry me to see him in the playoffs. Give it time to heal thoroughly please.

[finalfilppula 2]

hope he gets better soon. real soon. having a logjam at defence is always an enviable position.

[HenrikRules40 14]

Edit - Nevermind.

Edited April 9, 2009 by HenrikRules40

[Vladifan 680]

For clarification purposes, Lilja has a hemangioma. It has nothing to do with the fight he was in. It was an incidental finding after he got into the fight. Again, nothing to do with the fight itself. If his doctors can get to it and put a coil in it to stop the bleeding, he may be able to play hockey again. But don't be surprised if he's not given clearance to play professional hockey.

Thanks for the input. But if the fight/hits didn't cause the hemangioma, what do the doctors think caused it? And if it's not the fight that's causing the headaches, what do they think caused those? Thanks for any clarification.

Your explanation may be clear to others who read it, but it's late and I'm tired and I'm going with that so I need more clarification.

[daniel1 32]

No way, he's gotta play so that our guys, in a show of solidarity with their fallen comrade, show Weber what we do to people who injure our teammates (whether they were asking for it or not). Franzen and Sameulsson are both about the same size as Weber, so he better look out. I'm predicting that they both go with him at some point durring the game.

If Franzen and Samuelsson both "go" with Weber I'll eat my shirt, socks, and the stuff that's been accumulating under my fridge for the last 12 years. Fine hockey players they are, but never confuse Sammy and Mule with someone who's going to be avenging previous lost fights for the Wings.

[MidMichSteve 1,115]

For clarification purposes, Lilja has a hemangioma. It has nothing to do with the fight he was in. It was an incidental finding after he got into the fight. Again, nothing to do with the fight itself. If his doctors can get to it and put a coil in it to stop the bleeding, he may be able to play hockey again. But don't be surprised if he's not given clearance to play professional hockey.

Do you have a source?

Update from Wednesday's practice: Wings defenseman Andreas Lilja did not receive good news from the MRI he took on Monday. He doesn't expect to be ready for the start of the playoffs next week. "There's a vein up there (in his head) that still bleeds, that's why I got headaches,'' Lilja said. "I thought I was going to be good today, but I wasn't. The doctor said there might be a possibility to go in and stitch it up, but that might be a big risk, too. Just have to wait.''

Out with a concussion since Feb. 28, Lilja hasn't even been able to do any off-ice workouts.

"It's really frusttating. Time's running out,'' he said.

Brian Rafalski will return to the lineup Thursday against Nashville, after missing four games with a pulled groin.

Coach Mike Babcock said Rafalski will go back to playing with regular partner Nicklas Lidstrom. Jonathan Ericsson, who had been paired with Lidstrom, will play with Brett Lebda. Niklas Kronwall and Brad Stuart form the other pairing.

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[Casey 145]

For clarification purposes, Lilja has a hemangioma. It has nothing to do with the fight he was in. It was an incidental finding after he got into the fight. Again, nothing to do with the fight itself. If his doctors can get to it and put a coil in it to stop the bleeding, he may be able to play hockey again. But don't be surprised if he's not given clearance to play professional hockey.

Interesting use of medical jargon, but where in hell do you see that from a bridging vein tear? That's a classic subdural hematoma, not a hemangioma.