TSN/Ducks Fans Biased

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

Despite all the talk on TSN and all the comments from Ducks fans and Carlyle, Homer's elbow had no bearing whatsoever on Wisniewski ending up in the hospital. Datsyuk's shot hit him in the side and bruised his lung. Not long before Wisniewski got hit with the shot, he speared Homer in the gut which went undetected by the refs as so much has in the series. If i'm not mistaken, you get 5min and a game misconduct for spearing, so Wisniewski is lucky that he doesn't get the suspension. Elbowing is 2min, and that wasn't that much of an elbow anyways. Just another classic TSN moment trying to make the Wings look bad.

[b.shanafan14 733]

I'm personally sick of Carlyle, he complains as much as Therrien, but it only goes one way. Complains about Wings players doing this and that, but when it comes to his players gooning "its good clean hockey". I miss Hitchcock

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

Holmstrom's elbow was definitely dirty and deserved to be penalized.

I can't comment on the spear as I didn't notice anything. You are right that the shot caused the damage to Wisniesky. However, getting elbowed in the face after not being able to breathe probably doesn't do any good.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Holmstrom's elbow was definitely dirty and deserved to be penalized.

I can't comment on the spear as I didn't notice anything. You are right that the shot caused the damage to Wisniesky. However, getting elbowed in the face after not being able to breathe probably doesn't do any good.

It certainly should've been a penalty, but based solely on Homer's comments after the game, I'm not sure it was "dirty". Homer said he didn't know Wisniewski was there. That doesn't make it dirty, just slightly careless. All this is contingent though on taking Homer's word for it.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

so Wisniewski is lucky that he doesn't get the suspension. Elbowing is 2min, and that wasn't that much of an elbow anyways. Just another classic TSN moment trying to make the Wings look bad.

Classic rationalization.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Ducks fans biased for the Ducks? Nooooooooo.....

[Mors 201]

I fail to see how Holmstrom's elbow was "dirty". He's facing the opposite direction, spins around and happens to hit Wisniewski who was standing behind him crosschecking him in the back at the time.

Lots of crying from the dirtiest team in the NHL.

[Hossa7.4 0]

I fail to see how Holmstrom's elbow was "dirty". He's facing the opposite direction, spins around and happens to hit Wisniewski who was standing behind him crosschecking him in the back at the time.

Lots of crying from the dirtiest team in the NHL.

exactly, maybe if Niedermayer hadn't been clutching homer (he was penalised on the play) Homer wouldn't have had to turn like that trying to get free.

it was not dirty.

[Red4wings4life 0]

Holmstrom's elbow was not even an elbow, go look at the replay. he turned, his arms were close to his body, his elbow hit the guy in the head, it was not an elbow.

Go look up Gordie Howe, now thats an elbow.

When you are playing in front of the net with a people on both sides of you and you turn, someone is going to get hit.

It was nothing and it was the right call, NO call.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Holmstrom's elbow was not even an elbow, go look at the replay. he turned, his arms were close to his body, his elbow hit the guy in the head, it was not an elbow.

Go look up Gordie Howe, now thats an elbow.

When you are playing in front of the net with a people on both sides of you and you turn, someone is going to get hit.

It was nothing and it was the right call, NO call.

How do you hit a guy in the head with your elbow if it's close to your body?

Don't be such a homer. He threw an elbow. As with a minor high-sticking call, he probably didn't mean to whack anyone in the head with his elbow, but they usually call it anyway and probably should have there.

[Mors 201]

How do you hit a guy in the head with your elbow if it's close to your body?

Don't be such a homer. He threw an elbow. As with a minor high-sticking call, he probably didn't mean to whack anyone in the head with his elbow, but they usually call it anyway and probably should have there.

They could have called him for the incidental contact, I don't disagree. My problem is with Carlyle continually running his mouth about Holmstrom's "dirty cheapshot" as if the elbow was what caused the initial injury to Wisniewski in the first place.

[Red4wings4life 0]

How do you hit a guy in the head with your elbow if it's close to your body?

Don't be such a homer. He threw an elbow. As with a minor high-sticking call, he probably didn't mean to whack anyone in the head with his elbow, but they usually call it anyway and probably should have there.

He did not throw an elbow, he simply turned away from the defender. Watch the reply. He turned and hit the guy in the head with his elbow, there is a huge difference in throwing and elbow and hitting someone with your elbow.

It should not have been called, it is apart of hockey, big guys in tight spaces, people will get hit, its the nature of the game.

[betterREDthandead 58]

He did not throw an elbow, he simply turned away from the defender. Watch the reply. He turned and hit the guy in the head with his elbow, there is a huge difference in throwing and elbow and hitting someone with your elbow.

It should not have been called, it is apart of hockey, big guys in tight spaces, people will get hit, its the nature of the game.

You don't have to "throw an elbow" to get called for elbowing, the same way you don't have to purposely haul off and whack someone to get a high-sticking call:

46.1 Elbowing - Elbowing shall mean the use of an extended elbow in a manner that may or may not cause injury.

There is no difference between "throwing an elbow" and "hitting someone with your elbow" in the rule book.

Also:

Not even remotely close to his body. Very definitely "extended."

It should have been an elbowing penalty, if the refs had seen it. Why are we sitting here in a thread whining about Ducks fans being homers when we're clearly guilty of it ourselves?

[Chunkylover 26]

Wasn't Wisniewski cross-checking Holmstrom at the side of the net when he got hit? But whatever, of course Ducks fans are biased, I don't blame them for that, everyone has an inherent bias.

[Mors 201]

Like I said, Holmstrom's elbow wasn't the reason Wisniewski was hurt, and that implication from Anaheim is cheesy at best.

[Red4wings4life 0]

You don't have to "throw an elbow" to get called for elbowing, the same way you don't have to purposely haul off and whack someone to get a high-sticking call:

There is no difference between "throwing an elbow" and "hitting someone with your elbow" in the rule book.

Also:

Not even remotely close to his body. Very definitely "extended."

It should have been an elbowing penalty, if the refs had seen it. Why are we sitting here in a thread whining about Ducks fans being homers when we're clearly guilty of it ourselves?

As Homer spins the rest of the way around his arms come closer to his body, he looks off balance in that shot. Granted he did "elbow" him per the rules but the rules are not very clear and have a ton of "grey" areas.

I do not think that it should have been called, I would not wanted it called on the ducks either, that is just 2 players fighting for position and a 3rd player getting in the way.

[Autika 34]

I fail to see how Holmstrom's elbow was "dirty". He's facing the opposite direction, spins around and happens to hit Wisniewski who was standing behind him crosschecking him in the back at the time.

Lots of crying from the dirtiest team in the NHL.

It's obviously dirty because we all know Homer is all knowing. He simply had Niedermyer push him so his stance could be off cent so he could spin around and seemingly "accidentally" elbowing him in the face, causing him to cough up blood. The hit incidentally also gave him AIDS.

Gotta read between the lines man.

[Guest Shoreline]

As Homer spins the rest of the way around his arms come closer to his body, he looks off balance in that shot. Granted he did "elbow" him per the rules but the rules are not very clear and have a ton of "grey" areas.

I do not think that it should have been called, I would not wanted it called on the ducks either, that is just 2 players fighting for position and a 3rd player getting in the way.

LOL @ bold. Per the rules, but the rules are not very clear?! Elbowing someone in the head is a ******* penalty no matter which way you want to twist it. See the elbow? See the head? Penalty. None of this other s*** you just mentioned matters. Clear as day.

[Guest MrSandMan]

Holmstrom's elbow was definitely dirty and deserved to be penalized.

I can't comment on the spear as I didn't notice anything. You are right that the shot caused the damage to Wisniesky. However, getting elbowed in the face after not being able to breathe probably doesn't do any good.

If an accident is "dirty", then yes, yes you are correct. I once accidentally closed a door on my nieces finger, I guess I'm a child abuser.

But I do agree there could have been a penalty, then again, I could count a bunch of infractions the Ducks didn't get called on, too. It goes both ways.

[PuckPodcast 0]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Holmstrom elbowing Wisniewski in the face is what caused Wisniewski's injury nor what sent him to the hospital. If they are, they are wrong but please post a link to such allegations for all of us to see.

Holmstrom said he knew two guys were on him and yet says he didn't know Wisniewski was there. It's gotta be one or the other. I have to assume that he knew a Ducks player was there but did not know that it was Wisniewski nor that he was seriously hurt.

The Ducks are not happy, obviously, and Wisniewski has called Holmstrom "gutless" and "dirty" and described the elbowing as "blatant". It should be very interesting to see how Holmstrom is treated tonight and throughout the rest of this series, especially if the Ducks are as dirty of a team as many of you claim.

LINK TO WISNIEWSKI PRESS CONFERENCE

Edited May 7, 2009 by PuckPodcast

[Mors 201]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Holmstrom elbowing Wisniewski in the face is what caused Wisniewski's injury nor what sent him to the hospital. If they are, they are wrong but please post a link to such allegations for all of us to see.

Holmstrom said he knew two guys were on him and yet says he didn't know Wisniewski was there. It's gotta be one or the other. I have to assume that he knew a Ducks player was there but did not know that it was Wisniewski nor that he was seriously hurt. He elbowed him in the face, whether intentionally or not, and that is against the rules. The fact that other rules violations went uncalled in this game/series/season/sport are irrelevant to this discussion.

The Ducks are not happy, obviously, and Wisniewski has called Holmstrom gutless and dirty. It should be very interesting to see how Holmstrom is treated tonight and throughout the rest of this series. Especially if the Ducks are as dirty of a team as many of you claim.

LINK TO WISNIEWSKI PRESS CONFERENCE

Is this your first time seeing the Ducks play? It's not a claim, it's a fact. Pronger? suspended what 8 times? ring a bell? Goonery is the Ducks modus operandi. Apparently bitching and moaning is their backup plan.

[PuckPodcast 0]

Is this your first time seeing the Ducks play? It's not a claim, it's a fact. Pronger? suspended what 8 times? ring a bell? Goonery is the Ducks modus operandi. Apparently bitching and moaning is their backup plan.

I've seen the Ducks more than probably anyone else on this board as I have covered them as a member of the media for the past three seasons. I know they are a very physical team who have done a lot of dirty things over the years. However, that does not mean that they cannot be the victim of a dirty hit as well. A thief can still be robbed and a dirty team can still be victimized by a cheap shot. I'm not saying what Holmstrom did was a cheap shot or dirty, necessarily, just saying that the Ducks being a dirty team is not a factor in deciding whether or not this was a dirty play by Holmstrom.

The point of that line in my post was this: since many of you believe the Ducks to be a dirty team it should be very interesting to see what they do to Holmstrom tonight. I'm not saying whether they are dirty or not, not saying whether Holmstrom deserves any retaliation or not, just saying that the Ducks clearly feel that it was a blatant elbow to the face of an injured player and I'm curious to see how they respond tonight.

Edited May 7, 2009 by PuckPodcast

[betterREDthandead 58]

I've seen the Ducks more than probably anyone else on this board as I have covered them as a member of the media for the past three seasons. I know they are a very physical team who have done a lot of dirty things over the years. However, that does not mean that they cannot be the victim of a dirty hit as well. A thief can still be robbed and a dirty team can still be victimized by a cheap shot. I'm not saying what Holmstrom did was a cheap shot or dirty, necessarily, just saying that the Ducks being a dirty team is not a factor in deciding whether or not this was a dirty play by Holmstrom.

All of the above is true, but it doesn't stop them from sounding silly when they complain about it.

[Pavrik Zettersyuk 4]

Accidental elbow, but yeah, that doesn't mean it's not a penalty.

[servo 15]

I've seen the Ducks more than probably anyone else on this board as I have covered them as a member of the media for the past three seasons. I know they are a very physical team who have done a lot of dirty things over the years. However, that does not mean that they cannot be the victim of a dirty hit as well. A thief can still be robbed and a dirty team can still be victimized by a cheap shot. I'm not saying what Holmstrom did was a cheap shot or dirty, necessarily, just saying that the Ducks being a dirty team is not a factor in deciding whether or not this was a dirty play by Holmstrom.

The point of that line in my post was this: since many of you believe the Ducks to be a dirty team it should be very interesting to see what they do to Holmstrom tonight. I'm not saying whether they are dirty or not, not saying whether Holmstrom deserves any retaliation or not, just saying that the Ducks clearly feel that it was a blatant elbow to the face of an injured player and I'm curious to see how they respond tonight.

Eddie,

I'd like to hear your opinion about the momentum of Scott Niedermayer hook had on Holmstrom?