Guest micah Report post Posted May 13, 2009 i hope dats is more focused and energized than ever now I think he will be. Not a good move by Nieds - the Ducks have mannaged to contain and frustrate Dats all series, why anger him and risk waking him up? Dude is a wicked scoring threat when his game is on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsallwin 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 Settle my mind down but I gotta say some: Neidermayer elbowed Datsyuk but he can say he did not do on purpose. I kept watching the video(thanks for posting) more than 30 times right now but I think this has done on purpose. He could just turn his body around but he just did classless work. The thing is, the league is not gonna suspend Neidermayer. You remember yersterday? That is same. Neidermayer and Pronger have been avoiding suspension for such a long time; in the past, Burke saved them; now, do not know, either Bettman or the league is a garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 Grapes anyone? Be careful they might be sour. Think the Kings will be able to close out their playoff series? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NHLrules? 32 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 You guys make me laugh. This is the NHL. Nothing is ever consistent. The league has been blowing the Needawalkers since long before Cindy and his clan arrived, what in gods name would make you think this would ever be looked at? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin 5 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 Will there be any carryover for Game 7? Or are the stakes too high to let the emotions spill over? Capitals/Penguins Playoff Gear "We'll see," Red Wings forward Dan Cleary said. "I felt that some guys took liberties on certain players that aren't known to fight. So we'll see Thursday. We've got to be aggressive on them. We've got to force them to play good defense. We've got to be physical on Niedermayer, Getzlaf, Perry and these guys. You've got to be hard on them, got to hit them. Take away their time and space. "Raffy doesn't fight. Pav doesn't fight. So we'll see. Niedermayer doesn't fight either." I wouldn't mind seeing Downey or DMac coming up just in case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26336 47.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime, shall automatically be suspended for one game. The Director of Hockey Operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties. When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident. No team appeals will be permitted either verbally or in writing regarding the assessment of this automatic suspension. Let's see how they are going to handle this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoDakWing 8 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 no suspensions. The league won't suspend impact players in the playoffs. Look at the Scott Walker instance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 Doesn't matter if they suspend them or not. Detroit will destroy the Ducks in game 7. Niedermayer, Getzlaf and Perry can't change it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maltbymaniac 13 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) F em all,we r still kicking ther ass tomorrow @ the joe. still BS none the less. Edited May 13, 2009 by maltbymaniac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 no suspensions. The league won't suspend impact players in the playoffs. Look at the Scott Walker instance. First of all I would consider Walker as a impact player... but rules are rules: Flames' Roy suspended for one game Thursday, 04.23.2009 / 2:25 PM / 2009 Playoffs Conference Quarterfinals NHL.comTORONTO - Calgary Flames' forward Andre Roy has been suspended for one game and fined $2,500 (the maximum allowed under the CBA) as a result of an incident in the pregame warm-up last night when he initiated contact with Chicago Blackhawks' defenseman Aaron Johnson. Roy's suspension will be served on Saturday night when the Flames meet the Blackhawks in Game Five of the series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 i love how over on the DUcks boards they are praising 'scotty' for his amazing fighting ability and courage. They have the youtube clip posted... funny how not ONE of them has mentioned the ridiculous elbow. Niedermeyer should be thrown out for the playoffs IMO. The fact that the league lets this s*** go is pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 I hope they dress Downey - just for warmup - like last season against Dallas. Let him beat Pronger/Getzlaff/Perry - anyone of those PUNKS... He was more physical in that warmup than McCarty in playoff... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 nhl i will lose every last remaining shred of respect if nothing is issued for this behavior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted May 13, 2009 http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26336 47.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime, shall automatically be suspended for one game. The Director of Hockey Operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties. When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident. No team appeals will be permitted either verbally or in writing regarding the assessment of this automatic suspension. Let's see how they are going to handle this one. there were no instigator penalties in the last 5 minutes of the game (or anywhere in the game, including after the whistle). No instigator = no suspension coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j.hoop 64 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 If Homer wasn't suspended why should Scotty? hahahahahahahahahahaha oh wait... your serious? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 I hated the gooning, but saw nothing coming from it, cause the NHL is spineless. But when Neidermeyer throws a ficious and intentional elbow to an unsuspecting Datsyuk after play has finished and its on film and nothing comes from it, the league's handling of the gooning Ducks yet again makes me want to puke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PenaltyShot 96 521 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) Viewing the events after the whistle separate from my disappointment in the actual game, this is kind of funny: Perry jumping a smaller, less fight-experienced Rafalski in his first game back after weeks on the injury list? FAIL. Neids elbowing Datsyuk in the face, then pushing off Datsyuk's helmet and punching away while keeping his own shield on? FAIL. Getzlaf mixing it up with Hossa twice? FAIL. (Although out of all of the Wings on the ice at that point, Hossa probably has the most fighting experience...) At one point didn't somebody even wrap his arms around Lidstrom? Why? To stop him from breaking up other fights? FAIL. And to the claim against Lidstrom's "manhood" and "dedication to his teammates" (which is ridiculous enough in itself), in the second replay I noticed that he immediately skated into the thick of the scrum and started pulling Ducks off of his teammates. That's more than Zetterberg or the 6th Wing on the ice (can't remember who it was) did. Seriously, the Ducks pumped so much FAIL into that minute after the final horn, it's unbelievable. Do they really think anyone watching this replay of them squaring up against Rafalski, Datsyuk, Hossa, and Lidstrom is going to say, "Wow! That must have taken a lot of toughness and courage! Those smaller, skilled Wings players totally had that coming"? You stay classy, Ahaneim Oh, but a huge to Cleary's response. They'll get what's coming to them on Thursday - on the scoreboard at the very least. Edited May 13, 2009 by PenaltyShot 96 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 makes me sick watching this at the end.. wings better end this dance tomorrow night! would be embarassing to say the least if we lose at home in game 7 after that pathetic display last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tman77 40 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) This is what would pertain to the Game Misconducts: Rule 23 - Game Misconduct Penalties 23.1 Game Misconduct Penalty - A game misconduct penalty involves the suspension of a player or goalkeeper for the balance of the game but a substitute is permitted to replace immediately the player or goalkeeper so removed. 23.2 Fines and Suspensions - A player or goalkeeper incurring a game misconduct penalty shall incur an automatic fine of two hundred dollars ($200) and the case shall be reported to the Commissioner who shall have full power to impose such further penalties by way of suspension or fine on the penalized player, goalkeeper or any other player involved in the altercation. Any game misconduct penalty for which a player or goalkeeper has been assessed an automatic suspension or supplementary discipline in the form of game suspension(s) by the Commissioner shall not be taken into account when calculating the total number of offenses under this subsection. The automatic suspensions incurred under this subsection in respect to League games shall have no effect with respect to violations during Playoff games. Any request by a Club to have a game misconduct reviewed and rescinded by the League must submit their request in writing to the League’s Hockey Operations Department within 48 hours of the conclusion of the game in which the game misconduct was assessed. Failure to submit the written request within this time frame will automatically result in the game misconduct being upheld and no further review of the incident will be considered or entertained. This does not apply to infractions addressed under Rule 29 – Supplementary Discipline. 23.3 Fines and Suspensions – General Category - In regular League games, any player or goalkeeper who incurs a total of three (3) game misconduct penalties in the “General Category†and exclusive of other designated categories, shall be suspended for the next League game of his team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty, the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game. For each suspension of a player or goalkeeper, his Club shall be fined one thousand dollars ($1,000). In Playoff games, any player or goalkeeper who incurs a total of two game misconduct penalties in the “General Category†shall be suspended automatically for the next Playoff game of his team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty during the Playoffs, the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game. For each suspension of a player or goalkeeper during Playoffs, his club shall be fined one thousand dollars ($1,000). For a list of infractions involving game misconducts that are included in the “General Categoryâ€, please refer to the Reference Tables – Table 10 – Summary of Game Misconduct Fouls Included in the “General Categoryâ€. See specific rule numbers for complete descriptions. 23.4 Fines and Suspensions – Abuse of Officials Category - In regular League or Playoff games, any player or goalkeeper who incurs a total of two (2) game misconduct penalties for abuse of officials related infractions penalized under Rule 40 - Abuse of Officials, shall be suspended automatically for the next League or Playoff game of his team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty, the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game. 23.5 Fines and Suspensions – Stick Infractions, Boarding and Checking from Behind Category - In regular League games, any player or goalkeeper who incurs a total of two (2) game misconduct penalties for stick-related infractions, Boarding – Rule 42, or Checking from Behind – Rule 44, shall be suspended automatically for the next League game of his team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty, the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game. In Playoff games any player or goalkeeper who incurs a total of two (2) game misconduct penalties for stick-related infractions, Boarding – Rule 42, or Checking from Behind – Rule 44, shall be suspended automatically for the next Playoff game of his team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty in this category during the Playoffs the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game. Prior to the commencement of each Stanley Cup Finals, a player or goalkeeper will have his current stick-related, boarding and checking from behind game misconducts removed from his current playoff record. They will remain part of his historical record. When a player or goalkeeper has played in 41 consecutive regular League games without being assessed a stick-related major and a game misconduct penalty according to Rule 20– Major Penalties or Rule 22 – Misconduct Penalties, he will have the previous game misconduct penalties removed from his current record. They will remain part of his historical record. For a list of stick-related infractions, refer to the Reference Tables – Table 11 – Summary of Game Misconduct Fouls Included in the “Stick-Related Categoryâ€. See specific rule numbers for complete descriptions. When a player or goalkeeper has played in 41 consecutive regular League games without being assessed a boarding and/or a checking from behind major and a game misconduct according to Rules 42 and 44, he will have the previous game misconduct penalties removed from his current record. They will remain part of his historical record. A player or goalkeeper’s total games played will cover a two-year time period from the date of the first game misconduct penalty for each category of foul. 23.6 Automatic Game Misconduct – See 20.4. 23.7 Other Infractions That Could Result in a Game Misconduct – Refer to the Reference Tables – Table 12 – Summary of Game Misconduct Penalties for a list of the infractions that can result in a game misconduct penalty being assessed (see specific rule numbers for complete descriptions). In addition, the following list of infractions can also result in a game misconduct penalty being assessed: (i) interfering with or striking a spectator. (ii) post-game verbal abuse from players, goalkeepers or non-playing club personnel (on or off the ice) (iii) racial taunts or slurs (iv) spitting on or at an opponent or spectator Any player, goalkeeper or non-playing Cub personnel who physically interferes with the spectators, becomes involved in an altercation with a spectator, or throws any object at a spectator, shall automatically incur a game misconduct penalty and the Referee shall report all such infractions to the Commissioner who shall have full power to impose such further penalty as he shall deem appropriate. Edited May 13, 2009 by Tman77 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 Grapes anyone? Be careful they might be sour. hahahaha kings fan trying to bust one on us. hahahaha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 Go ahead and watch the video. Slide the bar over to 1:36/1:52. Whoever thinks that doesn't look like intent to injure and all around pathetic, gutless behaviour is an idiot. Edit: fixed video link. Holy s***! TSN (I think that was the feed I ended up watching with Ray Ferraro) failed to show the elbow. This is the first I've seen of it. I couldn't really see what erupted between Dats and Neidermeyer. I saw in the beginning that Dats wrapped him up during the Getzlaf/Hossa scrum, then the camera went away for a second and when it came back those two were throwing down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 We're lucky the Ducks don't send out their toughest guys to fight us. We can't even beat up Niedermayer and Perry of all people. Where are all those brave punches Datsyuk threw at Gary Roberts last year in the Finals when the refs were holding him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 I love how the VS announcers kept saying that the youngsters are showing true leadership by being physical. Seriously? Physical and cheap is bulls***. Falski almost surely had a concussion and Perry was trying to injure and neids should be suspended for sure. Won't happen though. s***ty ass NHL. I thought the one thread with the O6 breaking off and forming a new league was ridiculous, but I am starting to think it is not an awful idea! LMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted May 13, 2009 Where are all those brave punches Datsyuk threw at Gary Roberts last year in the Finals when the refs were holding him? Dude, Nieds is lucky the refs weren't holding him in place - Dats would have so kicked his ass... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted May 13, 2009 We're lucky the Ducks don't send out their toughest guys to fight us. We can't even beat up Niedermayer and Perry of all people. Where are all those brave punches Datsyuk threw at Gary Roberts last year in the Finals when the refs were holding him? What do you mean we can't even beat up Niedermayer and Perry Ericsson beat the crap out of Perry. Neither of these were real fights Perry jumped a guy 5" and 20 lbs smaller than himself who has been out injured for 2+ weeks and Niedermayer elbows Pav in the head with a sucker punch gets Dats helmet off and then tries to fight him with his helmet and big old shield on - what was Pav supposed to do, keep punching him in the visor and injure one of his hands? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
