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[Theophany 110]

Teams would love to overpay Homer to stand in front. We're lucky to have him. Franzen is learning a lot from him, as well...

... and so the cycle begins.

Franzen thus far isn't a 'stand in front of the net' guy like Homer is. He's a sniper (pretty much the definition of it).

He's in front of the net from time to time when we're rotating the puck, but then again, Hossa, Dats, and Zata (among others) all take their time there; I wouldn't say that Dats is "learning from Homer".

I'm not by any means saying Homer 'is lazy and he sucks' (). He's an asset to this team, though he needs to learn how to skate from Mr Helm (actually, the whole team does).

Just saying that Franzen is a waste in front of the net with his skating ability and shot.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

I've got a team for you - they are called the Colorado Avalanche and their wagon has plenty of room on it....

[Jake Ryan 1]

I've got a team for you - they are called the Colorado Avalanche and their wagon has plenty of room on it....

I thought Theophany's post was legit. Just because he doesn't think Franzen needs to play like Holmstrom, you tell him to join the Lanche?

[Jedi 1,865]

I thought Theophany's post was legit. Just because he doesn't think Franzen needs to play like Holmstrom, you tell him to join the Lanche?

I don't think she was directing that towards Theophany...

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

At no point have I yelled. And at no point have I called any of the members on here names for their opinions on the matter. You are saying the same thing I am, by the way: Ninety-SUX has a purpose on the power play, but his role 5 on 5 should be next to nothing. It's really funny.

Hockeymom? Holmstrom hard on? That's not calling anybody out?

You are funny and sad.

Name us one player that has never, ever blown a defensive assignment.

Seriously, what the hell did Holmstrom do to you in the past life?

If I were coach I'd give Holmstrom another task. Have you stand right in front of the crease, and have him run your a** over before he sets up in his office. And I'd repeat this process multiple times.

Your illogical obnoxious disliking for him is downright scary.

[Turretin 0]

Jake Ryan:

Try this:

2 years ago (when the Wings lost in the WCF to the Ducks) Holmstrom was one of the players carrying this team; you will remember that Cleary also had a very good post-season that year. Over the course of the last 2 years, Holmstrom seems to have slowed, and lost a bit of his nack for picking up rebounds and tossing them in. While he still serves a role as a screen, he is not the important asset he once was. Over the remainder of this season, and the course of next season, I believe the Wings should start using Holmstrom more sparingly. His deterioration is beginning to hamper his linemates during 5 on 5 play. We should think about putting Franzen up where Homer used to be. After next year, Homer should take a rather large percentage cut in pay to stay with the team. After all he has done for the team, he deserves our gratitude. That being said, it is time that his role on the team reflect his deterioration in skill (just like Chelios).

All the best.

See if something like that will get you more concensus; instead of throwing out vitriol.

[DMAC 25 18]

Watch the replay of the game winner and watch who comes skating in to watch the blackhawks celebrate their overtime goal instead of backchecking to prevent the goal in the first place. Yep, Ninety-SUX. Blueline to Blueline players are worthless in OT. I still can't figure out why Babcock won't ditch his HHO and get someone who's willing to hustle out there. It's so frustrating to watch this guy cost us games.

it was one damn game. yes it could have cost us a little more but dont be saying crap about homer like that because i'm sure you couldnt do any better, plus like someone already said it took like a second to play out

[Chris L 0]

it was one damn game. yes it could have cost us a little more but dont be saying crap about homer like that because i'm sure you couldnt do any better, plus like someone already said it took like a second to play out

Additionally, when that goal was scored, Lids had a broken stick. When the best defender, ever, is working with a broken stick, it doesn't matter what Homer is doing.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Hockeymom? Holmstrom hard on? That's not calling anybody out?

You are funny and sad.

Name us one player that has never, ever blown a defensive assignment.

Seriously, what the hell did Holmstrom do to you in the past life?

If I were coach I'd give Holmstrom another task. Have you stand right in front of the crease, and have him run your a** over before he sets up in his office. And I'd repeat this process multiple times.

Your illogical obnoxious disliking for him is downright scary.

What makes you think Holmstrom runs over people? You are confusing Tomas Holmstrom for Cam Neely. Ninety-SUX goes and stands in front of the goaltender on the power play. While doing so, he takes pushes and cross checks from defensemen and swipes and pushes from the goaltender. His screens help the Wings score goals on the power play and he bangs in some rebounds, as well. 5 on 5, Holmstrom skates from one blueline to the other blueline and puts his linemates in an almost short-handed-like situation in which they end up playing too much defense and get marked by a forward and a defenseman on offense due to Ninety-SUX's inability to open up space. Tomas Holmstrom does not bowl anybody over, as you seem to think. He serves his purpose on the power play. That is a given. What many HHO sufferers on here don't realize, however, is that his 5 on 5 play is HURTING the team. I hope Babcock makes the adjustments in the finals when we face a tougher squad than the blackhawks.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Additionally, when that goal was scored, Lids had a broken stick. When the best defender, ever, is working with a broken stick, it doesn't matter what Homer is doing.

Good thing Holmstrom was right there in the muck to give Lidstrom his stick ...... oh wait.

[Chris L 0]

Good thing Holmstrom was right there in the muck to give Lidstrom his stick ...... oh wait.

Homer really peed in your Cheerios huh? The way you tell it, the Wings are utterly failing in these playoffs and it all is because Homer's actively working against his team.

That OT loss had nothing to do with Homer blowing any assignment. Homer was no where near Lids when his stick broke and mere seconds later the winning goal was scored because Lids couldn't do his job. I don't think it warrants this one man witch-hunt you've got going.

Also, he's not skating blue line to blue line, I've seen him down low, 5-on-5 loads of times in this series and others. He was in Pronger's face so much that Pronger spent most of his media time bitching about Homer, even though Homer was a non-entity last series on the score sheet. You can't be hanging about in the neutral zone and making life miserable for Chris Pronger, in his own end, at the same time.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Homer really peed in your Cheerios huh? The way you tell it, the Wings are utterly failing in these playoffs and it all is because Homer's actively working against his team.

That OT loss had nothing to do with Homer blowing any assignment. Homer was no where near Lids when his stick broke and mere seconds later the winning goal was scored because Lids couldn't do his job. I don't think it warrants this one man witch-hunt you've got going.

Also, he's not skating blue line to blue line, I've seen him down low, 5-on-5 loads of times in this series and others. He was in Pronger's face so much that Pronger spent most of his media time bitching about Homer, even though Homer was a non-entity last series on the score sheet. You can't be hanging about in the neutral zone and making life miserable for Chris Pronger, in his own end, at the same time.

I do agree with you that the Wings aren't exactly stinking it up as far as the 2009 playoffs are concerned. I mean, they have an 11 and 4 record. That's pretty damn good, considering 3 of the losses came against Anaheim. But message boards are for discussion. And the discussion doesn't always have to be an agreement between posters. For example, what fun would it be if the threads were: 1) The Wings are Awesome, 2) Lidstrom is Great, 3) Zetterberg is a Great Center, 4) Kronwall can hit ??? Every post saying "yah", "yep", and "you got that right". That would be a gigantic waste of time. The reason you read things on a message board is for OPINIONS, not facts. And my opinion is that Holmstrom only serves a purpose on the power play. The stats and video back my opinion up. I like to hear your opinion, too. If you have good evidence (which you don't, in this case), I definitely will take it into consideration. And hence, FUN!!!!

[Chris L 0]

I do agree with you that the Wings aren't exactly stinking it up as far as the 2009 playoffs are concerned. I mean, they have an 11 and 4 record. That's pretty damn good, considering 3 of the losses came against Anaheim. But message boards are for discussion. And the discussion doesn't always have to be an agreement between posters. For example, what fun would it be if the threads were: 1) The Wings are Awesome, 2) Lidstrom is Great, 3) Zetterberg is a Great Center, 4) Kronwall can hit ??? Every post saying "yah", "yep", and "you got that right". That would be a gigantic waste of time. The reason you read things on a message board is for OPINIONS, not facts. And my opinion is that Holmstrom only serves a purpose on the power play. The stats and video back my opinion up. I like to hear your opinion, too. If you have good evidence (which you don't, in this case), I definitely will take it into consideration. And hence, FUN!!!!

OK, that's your opinion, and I disagree with it. Homer brings a lot more to the table than screening on the PP. Pronger's endless bitching last series about Home said a lot about what Homer brings on the ice. He does provide a lot more than just goals, assists and screens on the PP. He drives the other team's defense bats*** insane and gets in their heads. He's as much of a psychological warrior as he is a physical one. Go back and listen to Pronger complain endlessly before games, after games and between periods from the last series. There's your evidence.

Also watch tonight and see if he gets down low infront of Huet when not on the PP. I'd love to know if he does or not, I won't be able to watch the game tonight so I'll have to look for it later in highlights and what not.

[Jake Ryan 1]

OK, that's your opinion, and I disagree with it. Homer brings a lot more to the table than screening on the PP. Pronger's endless bitching last series about Home said a lot about what Homer brings on the ice. He does provide a lot more than just goals, assists and screens on the PP. He drives the other team's defense bats*** insane and gets in their heads. He's as much of a psychological warrior as he is a physical one. Go back and listen to Pronger complain endlessly before games, after games and between periods from the last series. There's your evidence.

Also watch tonight and see if he gets down low infront of Huet when not on the PP. I'd love to know if he does or not, I won't be able to watch the game tonight so I'll have to look for it later in highlights and what not.

Fair enough. I agree with you that he is a psychological player in the capacity you mention. I disagree with the value of that, seeing as how it hasn't produced anything but a minus 2 rating over the last 11 playoff games. But I see what you are saying. I will watch tonight's game. When people started criticizing Datsyuk and Hossa around game 3 of the Anaheim series, it immediately triggered a response from me of the "WTF" nature. Those two guys are two of the best 10 players in the league in ANYBODY'S book, so I knew something wasn't right. I have been watching Holmstrom with a fine toothed comb for 9 straight games now. It didn't take me too long to see that Datsyuk AND Hossa were both being marked by a forward and a defenseman. And it didn't take me to long to realize that the opposition could do this because of Ninety-SUX's lack of speed and ability during 5 on 5 play. That's why I have been lobbying for Helm on that line forever. Watch what happens when the opposition has to play one on one with either Helm, Datsyuk, or Hossa. It's not a big secret that a few of our players are going to get shadowed and shut down during the playoffs. We do it to the other teams' players every series. Kane looks like half the player he was in the Vancouver series because of our defensive prowess. But it is the coach's job to recognize a problem and make an adjustment when certain players are getting frustrated because of the lack of success they are having. So far, Babcock has made minor adjustments, and it's hard to argue that he isn't pulling the right strings because of the team's success. But the team would have gotten out of the Anaheim series faster had Ninety-SUX been yanked down to 4th ling responsibility and replaced by Helm. That was the extent of the line juggling needed.

[Rebound 22]

Fair enough.

Did you win the bet you clearly made?

You know, the one where you bet you could get everyone riled up?

[Jake Ryan 1]

Did you win the bet you clearly made?

You know, the one where you bet you could get everyone riled up?

Honestly!! I didn't know Tomas Holmstrom replaced Steve Yzerman as the most indispensible Red Wing. I thought that was Lidstrom, Zetterberg, or Datsyuk. My bad, clearly.

[Chris L 0]

Fair enough. I agree with you that he is a psychological player in the capacity you mention. I disagree with the value of that, seeing as how it hasn't produced anything but a minus 2 rating over the last 11 playoff games. But I see what you are saying. I will watch tonight's game. When people started criticizing Datsyuk and Hossa around game 3 of the Anaheim series, it immediately triggered a response from me of the "WTF" nature. Those two guys are two of the best 10 players in the league in ANYBODY'S book, so I knew something wasn't right. I have been watching Holmstrom with a fine toothed comb for 9 straight games now. It didn't take me too long to see that Datsyuk AND Hossa were both being marked by a forward and a defenseman. And it didn't take me to long to realize that the opposition could do this because of Ninety-SUX's lack of speed and ability during 5 on 5 play. That's why I have been lobbying for Helm on that line forever. Watch what happens when the opposition has to play one on one with either Helm, Datsyuk, or Hossa. It's not a big secret that a few of our players are going to get shadowed and shut down during the playoffs. We do it to the other teams' players every series. Kane looks like half the player he was in the Vancouver series because of our defensive prowess. But it is the coach's job to recognize a problem and make an adjustment when certain players are getting frustrated because of the lack of success they are having. So far, Babcock has made minor adjustments, and it's hard to argue that he isn't pulling the right strings because of the team's success. But the team would have gotten out of the Anaheim series faster had Ninety-SUX been yanked down to 4th ling responsibility and replaced by Helm. That was the extent of the line juggling needed.

I will readily agree that Homer is slow of hoof. He's not getting to the puck like he used to, he's not going in the corners and winning the battles like he used to. I believe it stems, not because he "sucks," but because he's still getting over his injury and, for reasons I can't explain, he takes forever to heal up. Speed was never his thing, remember when he came into this league he could barely skate, and couldn't stop to save his life, but he was tenacious going after the puck in the corners and getting it out. Thanks to his lack of stopping ability, he usually slammed into the other player like a freight train, knocking the wind out of them so puck retrieval was easy at that point.

There is something up with him, he's not going to the front of the net like he used to, nor is he staying there for very long. He's also not going in the corners to get the pucks for his line mates either. Something has changed, but he isn't skating blue to blue, I can say that for sure.

But to say he sucks? Come on...

Helm on the first line? For grit, goalie screening and puck retrieval? nah... I think Cleary is better suited there. When Babs put out Z-D-C against the Ducks (the game were Filp-Hossa-Mule ruled everybody) they had some great chemistry. That's a line I'd love to see over and over and over.

Helm does have great wheels, but I like him where he is now, he's such a handful for the other team's 3rd and 4th lines, they don't know what to do against him. Its beautiful.

Honestly, I can see the logic behind putting Dats and Hossa together but they have no chemistry on the ice. Dats+Hossa=goal drought. Notice how, whenever Hossa is not on the ice with Dats, he gets production...

Hossa and Franzen are a great combo, and Dats with anybody but Hossa is a great combo. Why Babs keeps them together when they've done nothing together is beyond me. Besides if we get to the SCF, wouldn't it be nice to have Z and D together again? At least for the series?

(On Edit: I hope people notice around here that it's possible to have a discussion with Jake Ryan w/out getting all hot 'n bothered. Its not that hard folks, be reasonable and polite and a discussion can flow. If not, don't bother posting, letting a thread sink, or making the OP masturbate to keep it on the first page says more about the lack of merit of a thread than getting into a flame war. Really.)

Edited May 27, 2009 by Chris L

[Chris L 0]

Honestly!! I didn't know Tomas Holmstrom replaced Steve Yzerman as the most indispensible Red Wing. I thought that was Lidstrom, Zetterberg, or Datsyuk. My bad, clearly.

That was true in 2001, when the Wings couldn't win unless Homer got on the board. They learned that bitter lesson, though.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

What makes you think Holmstrom runs over people? You are confusing Tomas Holmstrom for Cam Neely. Ninety-SUX goes and stands in front of the goaltender on the power play. While doing so, he takes pushes and cross checks from defensemen and swipes and pushes from the goaltender. His screens help the Wings score goals on the power play and he bangs in some rebounds, as well. 5 on 5, Holmstrom skates from one blueline to the other blueline and puts his linemates in an almost short-handed-like situation in which they end up playing too much defense and get marked by a forward and a defenseman on offense due to Ninety-SUX's inability to open up space. Tomas Holmstrom does not bowl anybody over, as you seem to think. He serves his purpose on the power play. That is a given. What many HHO sufferers on here don't realize, however, is that his 5 on 5 play is HURTING the team. I hope Babcock makes the adjustments in the finals when we face a tougher squad than the blackhawks.

I wasn't talking about him running anybody in the league over. I'm not talking about him running over any NHLers right now. I was suggesting to run you over because you are acting retarded about the sitaution going off the deep end with the disliking.

Again, pretty much everybody here realizes his current cons, along with his good traits. Nobody would have a beef with you if you didn't act like an obnoxious drama queen with this all-or-nothing approach that he completely sucks rear end when in actually there is maybe just a thing or two he isn't the best at. This is not that hard to understand.

Work on your tone and lingo and you wouldn't have people all over your case perhaps as suggested above at the top of this page from another poster.

Good thing Holmstrom was right there in the muck to give Lidstrom his stick ...... oh wait.

You can pretty much say the same thing about the other 4 players on the ice. You still haven't answered the related question of naming one player who has never, ever been out of position defensively at some point in their career.

Fair enough. I agree with you that he is a psychological player in the capacity you mention. I disagree with the value of that, seeing as how it hasn't produced anything but a minus 2 rating over the last 11 playoff games. But I see what you are saying. I will watch tonight's game. When people started criticizing Datsyuk and Hossa around game 3 of the Anaheim series, it immediately triggered a response from me of the "WTF" nature. Those two guys are two of the best 10 players in the league in ANYBODY'S book, so I knew something wasn't right. I have been watching Holmstrom with a fine toothed comb for 9 straight games now. It didn't take me too long to see that Datsyuk AND Hossa were both being marked by a forward and a defenseman. And it didn't take me to long to realize that the opposition could do this because of Ninety-SUX's lack of speed and ability during 5 on 5 play. That's why I have been lobbying for Helm on that line forever. Watch what happens when the opposition has to play one on one with either Helm, Datsyuk, or Hossa. It's not a big secret that a few of our players are going to get shadowed and shut down during the playoffs. We do it to the other teams' players every series. Kane looks like half the player he was in the Vancouver series because of our defensive prowess. But it is the coach's job to recognize a problem and make an adjustment when certain players are getting frustrated because of the lack of success they are having. So far, Babcock has made minor adjustments, and it's hard to argue that he isn't pulling the right strings because of the team's success. But the team would have gotten out of the Anaheim series faster had Ninety-SUX been yanked down to 4th ling responsibility and replaced by Helm. That was the extent of the line juggling needed.

To criticize somebody for making just "minor" adjumstments when he has an 11-4 playoff record and is on the verge of leading his team to the Cup Finals is a wee bit ridiculous. Babcock has made adjustments as necessary and has done what he's needed to do to put this team in the best spot to win, regardless of your disturbing distaste of Tomas Holmstrom. And that includes Holmstrom on this team.

Nobody thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread, nor has implied that he is indispensible, don't be such a drama queen. You are doing the exact opposite of the extreme and it makes you sound ridiculous. Please still tell us this - What did Holmstrom do to you in the past life to deserve all this hatred?

Edited May 27, 2009 by SouthernWingsFan

[WingsCaptain 0]

Jake, in order to come across with a coherent and logical argument as to why you think Holmstrom is a liability and not an asset, you would do yourself a favor by not referring to him as "Ninety-SUX" (which makes you sound dumb as you're resorting to name-calling), and by also bringing up more valid points. Not saying you are dumb -- that's just how your posts are coming across.

To highlight a couple things I read, 'missing an assignment' in Game 3, does not make him a bad player. He may not have even known that Lidstrom broke his stick. Hard to say. But who really missed their assignment on the play? Read on ...

Arguing that he doesn't race from one end of the ice to the other is misleading, but this point brings me to the last argument: the centerman typically goes down low on his D-zone assignment (along with one of his own D-men; the other D-men covers the net), and wingers typically stay high to cover the opposing team's D-men unless they are the first forward back in their own end. Since Holmstrom isn't the fastest forward, he ends up having to cover either the weak side slot area OR the strong side point. So as a LW, Holmstrom is typically near the blue line anyways. I didn't see a camera view showing that he missed his assignment, but if he did so what? Everybody had collapsed the net trying to freeze the puck and a Blackhawk managed to get a great pass over to his teammate for the score. That's hockey. It happens. Get over it.

Anybody that knows hockey will tell you the basics: ALWAYS protect the net area, always stay in between your opponent and the net (defensive side positioning), never give up a second scoring opportunity, team work is key, etc, etc. The Wings, as a team, failed on several points there which it could be argued started when Lidstrom's stick broke. We could throw stones at him for breaking his stick, but today's sticks are terrible, and Lidstrom is arguably one of the top 5 best D-men to ever play the game. Poor argument there. But resorting to calling out Holmstrom makes no sense either.

Each player has strong and weak points. As a team, the Wings compliment each other very well and some of the players such as Hossa, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Lidstrom, are just wicked good at all aspects of offense and defense. But having a role player such as Holmstrom blocking the goalie's view, whether at even strength or on the PP, particularly when he's arguably the best in the league at what he does, makes him invaluable. But don't take it from me -- consider the fact that Scotty Bowman, Mike Babcock, and other head coaches (past and present) have praised Holmstrom for the role he plays. Is he getting long in the tooth? Sure, it's inevitable. But he's still very much of use to the Wings.

~ Z

Edited May 27, 2009 by WingsCaptain

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

THIS is the funniest thing I've ever heard, and a true sign of the HOLMSTROM HARD-ON.

Holmstrom - 38 goals and 40 assists in 144 games.

Franzen - 27 goals and 20 assists in 55 games.

Do you honestly think Johan Franzen is "learning" from Tomas Holmstrom? If you do, you have a screw loose. The Mule is all things playoff hockey. The team won't even let Ninety-SUX wash Franzen's jock strap.

What other learning do you think is happening on the Wings? Do you think Zetterberg is learning from Hudler? Or Lidstrom from Lebda? The HHO is like the dark side of the force. It clouds your vision.

You have smoked yourself retarded.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Honestly, I can see the logic behind putting Dats and Hossa together but they have no chemistry on the ice. Dats+Hossa=goal drought. Notice how, whenever Hossa is not on the ice with Dats, he gets production...

Hossa and Franzen are a great combo, and Dats with anybody but Hossa is a great combo. Why Babs keeps them together when they've done nothing together is beyond me. Besides if we get to the SCF, wouldn't it be nice to have Z and D together again? At least for the series?

(On Edit: I hope people notice around here that it's possible to have a discussion with Jake Ryan w/out getting all hot 'n bothered. Its not that hard folks, be reasonable and polite and a discussion can flow. If not, don't bother posting, letting a thread sink, or making the OP masturbate to keep it on the first page says more about the lack of merit of a thread than getting into a flame war. Really.)

Here's where I have the problem. Removing Datsyuk from Hossa wasn't what got Hossa going. It was taking Holmstrom away from Hossa. Notice how our HART TROPHY CANDIDATE continued to struggle when Hossa was taken off his line? Why do you think that is? Because NINETY-SUX wasn't taken off his line. It's not rocket science. That's the thing that baffles me and why I've come up with the HHO (patented, btw) slogan. HE HAS ZERO POINTS IN 11 PLAYOFF GAMES AND IS A - 2 OVER THAT SPAN. What is possessing you people to look at that and relive Homer's glory years and think that we're still living in them? He serves a purpose on the power play, but he should be used sparingly 5 on 5. Just say "I agree" and we'll all move on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpIfbneeHg

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Here's where I have the problem. Removing Datsyuk from Hossa wasn't what got Hossa going. It was taking Holmstrom away from Hossa. Notice how our HART TROPHY CANDIDATE continued to struggle when Hossa was taken off his line? Why do you think that is? Because NINETY-SUX wasn't taken off his line. It's not rocket science. That's the thing that baffles me and why I've come up with the HHO (patented, btw) slogan. HE HAS ZERO POINTS IN 11 PLAYOFF GAMES AND IS A - 2 OVER THAT SPAN. What is possessing you people to look at that and relive Homer's glory years and think that we're still living in them? He serves a purpose on the power play, but he should be used sparingly 5 on 5. Just say "I agree" and we'll all move on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpIfbneeHg

Except we obviously DON'T agree.. so it's not us who needs to move on. You brought it up, you deal with what's thrown at you afterwards.

Homer is in a slump. He's not dead. Might I remind you that we have other players on the team who are also in slumps? Should we bench them, too? Everyone on this team has been responsible for opposition's goals at least once. Other coaches have fully stated that they'd love to have a player like Holmstrom in front of the net for them. The chemistry between Lidstrom and Holmstrom (usually) is amazing. You don't give up on a player because he's in an 11 game slump. That's absolutely ridiculous. If that's how this team worked, Osgood wouldn't even be here anymore - let alone starting in the playoffs.

You don't like Homer. We get it. But those of us who DON'T throw our players under the bus when they're struggling know what an important part of our recent Stanley Cup wins he was. If you're ready to give up on him - fine. Do it. But don't get pissed off when we don't follow suit.

You're the only one that needs to "move on" here.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Ms_Hockey

[Jake Ryan 1]

Except we obviously DON'T agree.. so it's not us who needs to move on. You brought it up, you deal with what's thrown at you afterwards.

Homer is in a slump. He's not dead. Might I remind you that we have other players on the team who are also in slumps? Should we bench them, too? Everyone on this team has been responsible for opposition's goals at least once. Other coaches have fully stated that they'd love to have a player like Holmstrom in front of the net for them. The chemistry between Lidstrom and Holmstrom (usually) is amazing. You don't give up on a player because he's in an 11 game slump. That's absolutely ridiculous. If that's how this team worked, Osgood wouldn't even be here anymore - let alone starting in the playoffs.

You don't like Homer. We get it. But those of us who DON'T throw our players under the bus when they're struggling know what an important part of our recent Stanley Cup wins he was. If you're ready to give up on him - fine. Do it. But don't get pissed off when we don't follow suit.

You're the only one that needs to "move on" here.

Do you want me to dig up a post by you saying something about Datsyuk or Hossa? Do you really want me to find it and point it out? HOLMSTROM HARD-ON (HHO) is not an easy condition to live with. I get that. But seriously, are you blind?

[thedisappearer 291]

Man, there's a dumbass running loose in this thread.